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Title: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Sunday 16 September 12 21:36 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi all
is there any one who may be able to help with this
i found our charles cooper  born 1800 barlestone leicestershire   i found his mum and dad with  a john timbrill 1 aug 1828  also william ward cooper  elizabeth hall  thomas & mary cooper  markfield &
thomas timbrill 6th july 1830  william ward cooper  lab  with  elizabeth hall  again thomas and mary cooper  markfield .
but cant find any thng else on this
please can you help
many thanks
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 18 September 12 20:30 BST (UK)
Could John and Thomas be in Hinckley 1841

HO107 piece 601 folio 3/9 page 11
Parents William and Elizabeth

Also found this marriage

Thornton   04-Jun   1833   Lic   
William Ward   Cooper   OTP      Bach   26+   
Sarah   Hextall   Stanton under Bardon      Spin   25+

the other ref with it is B: Stanton under Bardon Wit: Joseph
Dowell & Mary Ann Weller
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Thursday 20 September 12 16:52 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi
willsey
many tahnks for sending that to me  ,thats all there was on that i tryed to find out more but no luck we know that thomas was the father of our charles  and his mother but didnt know what the timbrill family had got do with it.  so who did john timbrill  marry and  who did  thomas timbrill marry .
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Friday 21 September 12 21:47 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
found out about john timbrill 26th aug 1827 born hinckley leice william timbrill married  elizabeth cooper 1801-1854
parents of john timbrill was, Mary and Thomas cooper her parents  also need to now about Thomas Timbrill 6th of  Jan  1830  ,william ward cooper  lab to elizabeth hall  <was william ward coopers parents thomas and mary cooper his mum and dad > if so this is my mums family  history markfield and was Thomas Timbrill johns brother or cousion or uncle> at the end of this it states markfield leicester, i think i found elizabethes marriage to william timbrill as  1855  hinckley oct -nov-dec also found john timbrills christing as  15th sept 1827 saint marys  hinckley  eng.
many thanks
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Friday 21 September 12 22:18 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)
Hi willsey
 right mary cooper  est year  of birth about  1778
rel mother  where born  markfield  leicestershire
civil parish markfield
thomas cooper  est  birth year  1822 son relation head  mother mary
husband of mary  est birth about  1781 where born  markfield leicestershire 
son joseph cooper  age 6
sarah hannah cooper  age 3 , i have also charles cooper  christing  23rd  march 1800 barlestone leicestershierfather thomas cooper and that came from the mormen website and they say thomas  1754 market bosworth sister Hannah cooper  female  08 oct 1832father thomas cooper mother mary
Co3467-2
markfield leicester also told that they may have moved here between  1800-1802< joseph cooper  05 jun 1836 mothers name ann cooper again sister of charles  ann cooper born 1802 father thomas  mother mary cooper.thomas cooper son of mary and thomas bap 1822.from Anc thomas cooper father they say he age 60 on the 1841 census  abt 1781markfield sparkenho market bosworth,Hannah cooper married  charles clapham
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 20:05 BST (UK)
Looked up the Timbrell marriage 1855 and it is register office

and also found

Death
Name:    William Ward Cooper
Date of Registration:    Oct-Nov-Dec 1839
Registration district:    Ashby de la Zouch
Inferred County:    Leicestershire
Volume:    15/22
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 20:25 BST (UK)
Just found a tree that has his death  25 Oct 1839 in Hugglescote, daughter Jane marrying Henry Baggott but not checked it all out
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 21:05 BST (UK)
Went looking for John Timbrell, again a tree

Parents are William and Elizabeth Cooper marrying at Dadlington 12 Dec 1825
There's a few siblings
Elizabeth 1801-1854

John goes on to marry his cousin Sarah Timbrell 31 Oct 1852 Aston Warwickshire
There's also a Charlotte Cooper c1832 Markfield marrying a William Timbrell 1857, son of Elizabeth Cooper

Found
IGI

groom's name:   William Timbrell
bride's name:   Charlotte Cooper
marriage date:   03 May 1857
marriage place:   Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
indexing project (batch) number:   M01168-5
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   0918846-848, 0918849-851

groom's name:   John Timbrell
bride's name:   Sarah Timbrell
marriage date:   31 Oct 1852
marriage place:   Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
indexing project (batch) number:   M01168-4
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   0919797-799, 0919800, 0918845-46

groom's name:   Thomas Timbrill
bride's name:   Hannah Burdett
marriage date:   22 Jan 1884
marriage place:   Ashby-Magna, Leicester, England
indexing project (batch) number:   I01345-5
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   952287

groom's name:   Isaac Timbrell
bride's name:   Anne Bayliss
marriage date:   27 Feb 1864
marriage place:   Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
indexing project (batch) number:   M01168-5
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   0918846-848, 0918849-851

There's also Sarah and Mary

The 1855 marriage is a second marriage to Ann Jacques
1851 HO107; Piece: 2082; Folio: 380; Page: 7
1871RG10; Piece: 3237; Folio: 60; Page: 12

I found this just to add to the pot

Joseph Timbrell marriage Mary Cooper Earl Shilton 17 Dec 1761 'He of Nailston'
I think they may have lived Narborough

Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 21:55 BST (UK)
Looking at where William is 1881, wondering about this

1845   3   TINBROW   Sarah   Hinckley   15   117
marrying Joseph Jackson

and Mary Timbrell married 1861 to either Thomas Spiers or William Sylvester
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 22:18 BST (UK)
Looking at Joseph 1841, making a guess he is your Charles son going by 1861 census
RG09 piece 2266 folio 74 page 9

Thornton
Joseph Cooper M MARR Ann Bown 24 JAN 1860 Father Charles Cooper  Father John Bown
G & B: ofa, labourer, servant,
Wit: John
Cooper & Alice Elliot

1851 HO107 piece 2083 folio 408 page 15  son of Charles and Elizabeth

Thornton   28-Nov   1830   Banns   Charles   Cooper   Stanton under Bardon            
Elizabeth   Geary    Stanton under Bardon
Wits Wit: William Geary & Ann Hopkinson

1841, Charles and family opposite page to Thomas and Mary Cooper

Thornton
John Elliott M MARR Alice Cooper 21 NOV 1858 Thomas Elliott  Charles Cooper
G: ofa, widower, labourer B: ofa, servant,
both Stanton under Bardon,
Wit: Abraham Cooper & Mary Ann Brooks

name:   Alice Geary Cooper
gender:   Female
baptism/christening date:   03 Dec 1833
baptism/christening place:   Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicester, England
father's name:   Charles Cooper
mother's name:   Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number:   I04593-4
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   1482365

name:   John Cooper
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   20 Oct 1835
baptism/christening place:   Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicester, England
father's name:   Charles Cooper
mother's name:   Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number:   I04593-4
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   1482365

Ashby De La Zouch
John Wallis M MARR Elizabeth Cooper 12 APR 1848 Owen Wallis  Charles Cooper
Groom of Peterborough, bride otp, by
license. Groom traveller, his father,
farmer. Bride's father, stonemason.
Wits: Charles & Jane Cooper
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 22:54 BST (UK)
1871 still with Ann and children

Stanton Under Bardon
RG10 piece 3242 folio 79 page 9
Joseph Cooper    M    33    Mashfield, Leicestershire
wife    Anne Cooper    F    32    Thurlstone, Leicestershire
daughter    Jane Cooper    F    9    Stanton Under Bardon, Leicestershire
daughter    Elizabeth Cooper    F    7    Stanton Under Bardon, Leicestershire
son    John William Cooper    M    3    Stanton Under Bardon, Leicestershire
brother-in-law    George Bown    M    17    Thornton, Leicestershire
   
1881 Ibstock RG11 folio: 3135 / 104 page number:    33
1891 RG12 piece 2507 folio 54 page 40 mother in law Martha Bown
1901 RG13 piece 2967 folio 11 page 13
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 22 September 12 23:12 BST (UK)
Where can I find the Elizabeth Hall reference?
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 23 September 12 20:49 BST (UK)
Another marriage for you to keep on hold, needs the original record as no surname for Thomas

Thornton
Thomas ??? M MARR 17 SEP 1817 Elizabeth Cooper
Wit: John Cooper, Ann Holmes & John Geary

a ref I have has

Elizabeth   Cooper   OTP         
Thomas   Holms   OTP


AND

Dadlington   12-Dec   1825   B   
Elizabeth   Cooper   OTP            
William   Kimbrell   OTP

Been looking at this too

Leicestershire, England, Extracted Parish Records about Thomas Cooper Mary Ward
Text:    Thomas Cooper, grazier, p. Mountsorrel, & Mary Ward, lic. 11 Dec 1804
Book:    Calendar of Wills Proved and of Administrations Granted in the Commissary Court of the Peculiar and Exempt Jurisdiction of Groby, 1580-1800. (Will)
Collection:    Leicestershire: - Register of Marriages, 1560-1837

and have at last found a ref for you to chase because of the date

Sileby   11-Dec   1804   L   Mary   Ward   OTP      Spin   20+   
Of her father William Ward   Grazier
Thomas   Cooper   Mountsorrel      Bach   22   

IGI

parents:   Thos. Cooper,​ Mary
   
name:   William Ward Cooper
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   04 Feb 1807
baptism/christening place:   Mount Sorrel, Leicester, Leicester, England
father's name:   Thos. Cooper
mother's name:   Mary
indexing project (batch) number:   I06824-5
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   1482399

Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 23 September 12 21:28 BST (UK)
From the batch no

Baptisms to Thomas and Mary

Thomas Cooper 24 Sep 1805    Mount Sorrell,​ Leicester
William Ward Cooper
John Cooper 09 Dec 1808    Thornton,​ Leicester
Arthur Cooper 08 Apr 1811    Thornton,​ Leicester
James Newberry Cooper 16 Nov 1812    Thornton,​ Leicester
Louisa Cooper 24 Jun 1814    Thornton,​ Leicester
Marianne Cooper 11 Jul 1818    Thornton,​ Leicester
Hannah Cooper 03 Feb 1821    Thornton,​ Leicester
Alfred Cooper 27 Jun 1827    Thornton,​ Leicester




Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 23 September 12 21:54 BST (UK)
Thornton

Richard Nuttall M MARR  Marianne Cooper 14 JAN 1840 William Nuttall Thomas Cooper
G: ofa Leicester, Draper,
B: ofa, gentleman's daughter,
Wit: HannahCooper

John Jones M MARR Hannah Cooper 11 SEP 1841 William Jones  Thomas Cooper
G: 29 silk manu, B: 21 gentleman's
daughter Wit: Thomas Cooper & Sarah Goodrich

Thornton 1841 Thomas 59 grazier and Hannah 20
HO107; Piece: 603;  Folio: 12; Page: 18
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Friday 05 October 12 19:26 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)
Hi willsey
Many thanks mate for all you have found out about my mums family can you do me another favour please can have a look at charlotte as well for me to see whom she married or when she was born and died.
thanks
Danone
i have the cooper dec list
I have the marriage of elizabeth and charles  cooper 28th day of Nov 1830 in thornton  they were married in the parish church after banns  with consent of parents but they didn,t put their names on the marriage so i dont know here mums name or dad ,i do know whom charles mum and dad is ,she was elizabeth geary born 1810 stanton under bardon.the marriage  was solemnised between us  charles cooper
elizabeth geary
marriage in the presents of  william geary
ann hopkinson
clerk john  geary
william geary  lived at stoke heys farm ratby lane markfield No 60 charles and elizabeth lived there in 1851
i think william geary was her brother or uncle and john geary was her brother ,
No of marriage was 117
if you can find out about this as well that would help me as well.
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Friday 05 October 12 20:47 BST (UK)
Here you go

Family search   
groom's name:   William Timbrell
bride's name:   Charlotte Cooper
marriage date:   03 May 1857
marriage place:   Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
indexing project (batch) number:   M01168-5
system origin:   England-ODM
source film number:   0918846-848, 0918849-851

Don't know any more about Charlotte

There's this one
Newtown Linford   12-Oct   1801   B   
William   Geary    Markfield            
Elizabeth   Bott   OTP

So looked at Geary
Thornton   05-Mar   1833   L   
John. Jnr.   Geary    Markfield      Bach   29+   
Ann   Mason   OTP      Spin   21+

John Geary M MARR 5 MAR 1833 Ann Mason G: the younger, Wit: Abraham, Ann & John
Geary

Markfield   30-May   1830   B   
John   Geary Shackerstone      Bach      
Sarah   Cooper   OTP

Thornton
William Geary M MARR 11 MAR 1833 Ann Cave Wit: Mary Hopkinson

Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 06 October 12 19:57 BST (UK)
On the marriage 117,

Charles Cooper of this parish and Elizabeth Geary of this parish both in Stanton,
banns by consent of parents
Charles and Elizabeth sign the register as does William Geary and Ann Hopkinson John Geary Clerk

1833 William Geary is of Stanton under Bardon

1833 John Geary the younger of ???( looks like faint writing ) of Markield by license
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 06 October 12 21:02 BST (UK)
So going back to William Ward Cooper, think this is his widow
1841 Census
COOPER, in Hugglescote
ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 601 folio 11/9 page 11

so I put his name in the paper

The Leicester Chronicle: or, Commercial and Agricultural Advertiser (Leicester, England), Saturday, November 02, 1839

DISTRESSING SUICIDE
On Friday last the friends and relatives of Mr. William Ward Cooper, of Hugglescote, were plunged in the deepest distress by his unfortunate death by his own hand. He had been out shooting, and was in apparent sound health-but on his return home he retired to put his gun away, and change his shirt, when the report of fire arms alarmed his family, and announced the dreadful calamity. The immediate cause of his death has been attributed to the annoyance of a discreditable charge brought against him; but we understand there is not the slightest foundation for this rumour-and some difficulties in which he was involved in consequence of disputed county rates is alleged as the more probable cause. An inquest was held on the body on Sunday last, before John Gregory, jun. Gent. the coroner for the district, and a verdict of ''Temporary insanity'' was returned. The deceased has left a wife and two small children

Household 1841

COOPER, Sarah    30    1811          
HEXTALL, Jane    60    1781          
TYZACK, Mary A    25    1816          
COOPER, Mary A    6    1835              
COOPER, Jane    3    1838          
HEXTALL, Rachel    7    1834

All born within the county except Mary and Rachel
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 06 October 12 22:16 BST (UK)
Think I am right

Sarah Cooper married William Beard
Ashby de la Zouch
1841 Jul-Aug-Sep 15/7

1851 HO107; Piece: 2084; Folio: 695; Page: 18

William Beard    39
Sarah Beard    43
Mary Ann Cooper 16 born Kirby Bellars,
Emma Beard    9
Sarah Beard    6
William Beard    2
William Court    20
William Booth    17

COOPER, Jane
BAGGOTT, Henry
Ashby de la Zouch
1860  Apr-May-Jun 7A/190

1861 Jane
RG 9; Piece: 2269; Folio: 113; Page: 27
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Sunday 07 October 12 19:32 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)
Hi willsy
thanks a lot for all the information you have sent me on my mums family tree ,what a waste of a life he could have made some thing of him self ,this john geary at shackerstone ,his he the same one on the marriage of elizabeth and charles if so that would this would all come right .i have the family of Ann hopkinson ,i have the photo of stoke heys farm ,as its still there at the back of the golf couse where i take my dogs  it just called old heys now,.i did find this on william geary  old heys wills leicestershire  pecular courts 1795
wills proved  and Adminstrations granted in the  commissary court of the manor of evington 1581-18ooon one side of the court it states bundle but never proved ,i did contact leicestershire uni as they did a dig at stoke heys and thet sent me back what they found  it is a moated site of old heys  a sam  which had  associated  manorial  earthwork  west  and north  of the moated  enclosure .It was possible  that  buried  Archaeological  remains  relating  to the site  had survived  within the propsed development  area area and  hence may be impacted upon by any groundworks.
aAlso contacted mary Bonney at the record office anshe sent me some back stating that william geary of old heys,william geary the older  of old heys  in ratby  parish grazier .it mentions  his  wife mary  and brother  thomas  of Attleborough, warkwickshire  baker these are the only relatives  mentioned in the will ,he was a rich man
william geary  of old heys  ratby  1786  was a surveyor of  lands in cropston.
william geary  of old heys  ratby  grazier mentioned in the lease dated  march 1794
Danoe
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 07 October 12 20:33 BST (UK)
The trouble is, John Geary signs most of the marriages and John the younger marries so you might have to do a bit of unravelling that way.

Enderby   23-Nov   1772   L   
Thomas   Geary    Attleborough   WAR   Bach   25   
Mary   Norman   OTP      Spin   22

Enderby |records are online at

http://www.enderbyheritage.org.uk/ChurchRecords.htm

THOMAS    GEARY   Residence   ATTLEBOROUGH, NUNEATON   23RD Nov 1772   Lic.
THOMAS HADWENS?, CURATE   
MARY   NORMAN   Residence   ENDERBY         Wit. SILVANUS EARP    THOMAS NORMAN
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 07 October 12 21:34 BST (UK)
if you google

THOMAS    GEARY     ATTLEBOROUGH

there is a bit about him online


Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Tuesday 09 October 12 09:42 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)
Hi willsy
some one told me that elizabeth geary whom married charles cooper in  28th day of 1830 thornton her parents was john geary and alice ,but wasn't sure about it .elizabeth was born 1810 Stanton under bardon
leicestershire i found the marriage in coalville libary under thornton they dont seem to cover stanton in the reords there im not a member of Anc now
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 09 October 12 19:56 BST (UK)
Here you go,

John Geary M MARR 15 MAY 1799 Alice Frost
B: Markfield,
Wit: William Mee & Elizabeth Jarass

IGI
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ageary~ %2Bresidence_place%3Aleicestershire~ %2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~ %2Bfather_surname%3Ageary~ %2Bmother_givenname%3Aalice

Do you have access to Markfield registers? Was hoping you could look this one up for me, sorry to be so cheeky on the thread  :)
Markfield
William Moore Catherine Worth   Markfield   14 Mar 1871
Wit: William Mee & Elizabeth Jarass
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Sunday 14 October 12 18:40 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsy
the mee family are on my mums side of the family as well ,i have tom mees phone number he lives next door to little markfield farm ,just down the drive i can ask him if william is related for you toms family was related to daisy and terry burdette from the george pub daisy was on mums side also hull fammily from here they had the coach and horses on the A50 field head island ,steve hull still owns the shop in ratby lane they are all related to our side and the brooks family from stoney lane farm markfield Abraham cooper married mary ann brooks in 1872 abraham cooper born 1840 markfield  son of charles cooper and elizabeth  i will have a look also in my stuff of the mees if i have it for you but if not will find out for you leave with me .
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 14 October 12 19:27 BST (UK)
I am tracking Moore marriages and have links with Nailstone and surrounding area, thank you so much, this one maybe a long shot :)

Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Wednesday 17 October 12 22:01 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsy
been on family search like you gave me been looking at charles and elizabeth and their chidren at their christings found only so many ,william couldn,y be found found yet on the family cooper dec list has him born  1846 markfield but no christ
joseph coper 1837 no christing
caleb cooper no christing
james cooper  ,b, june 1848 markfield
also charles jun  sept 1850 no christ
alice geary cooper was
john cooper was son of Charles and Elizabeth
so would this mean that they would only been able to aford to do a few
their father was done by his dad has 1800 23rd of march  in  Barlestone leicester  which is near woodlands garden center just out side of  Market bosworth  ,so what i think is he thought he was born in Markfield, but born there and then came here straight after he was born ,and thats when he met elizabeth
I found charles dad with a Arthur cooper 
male
04 Apr 1811 Ashby de la zouch  leice

dont know much about  lousia  cooper either christ 24th jun 1814 ashby de la zouch
father thomas cooper mother mary  dont know any thing on him at all
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 20 October 12 20:13 BST (UK)
Can't help with baptisms, have you got this

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar about Caleb Cooper
Name:    Caleb Cooper
Probate Date:    1 Jun 1928
Death Date:    7 Feb 1928
Death Place:    Leicestershire, England
Registry:    Leicestershire, England

...of Newry House Croft Leicestershire died 7th February 1928 Probate Leicester 1 June to William Cooper grazier and John Hunt co-operative employee. Effects £2402 12s

Found a baptism, mother Abigail Green

Cooper, William (of Alma St, Brightside, born 1865-10-18).
     Baptised June 24, 1866, by Thos Hulme at St Thomas Church, Brightside.
     Parents name(s) are Abigail & Caleb (Pointman).


Thought this might be worth a look
Thornton

Thomas Simpson M MARR 10 FEB 1831 Louisa Cooper License Wit: William Cooper  Ann Simpson ?John Cooper John Geary Clerk
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 20 October 12 21:25 BST (UK)
Found this 1841

1841 Census
SIMPSON, Louisa
MARKET BOSWORTH, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 603 folio 12/12 page 18

she is with Thomas Cooper grazier in Thornton
COOPER, Thomas    M    59    1782    Leicestershire    
COOPER, Hannah    F    20    1821    Leicestershire    
SIMPSON, Louisa    F    27    1814       Leicestershire    
SIMPSON, Louisa    F    7    1834       Leicestershire       
SIMPSON, Harriet    F    2    1839       Leicestershire        
MARSTON, John    M    60    1781             
STOVER, Sarah    F    18    1823

Am wondering if this is Thomas in Markfield with sister Ann who is with him also 1851

1841 Census
SIMPSON, Sarah
BLABY UNION, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 600 folio 19/9 page 10

as I searched for Sarah and Louisa and came up with these possibilities as he is a Thomas Simpson widowed with the 2 girls 1851 HO107 piece 2081 folio 414 page 8

1851 Census
SIMPSON, Harriot
LEICESTER, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 2088 folio 316 page 26
with Joseph and Mary A Allsop

Entry No.274,  DEC 28, 1846, after Banns
JOSEPH ALLSOP, full age, bach. FRAME SMITH, of CHURCH St, s. of JOHN ALLSOP, FARMER
MARY ANNE SIMPSON, full age, wid. of ALBION St, d. of EDWARD SMITH, FARMER
Wits: CHARLES GRANT,  ANN GRANT

occ matches for Joseph, looked for Harriet as there is a difference in age, hope it's on the right lines

Thornton
John Jones M MARR 11 SEP 1841 William Hannah Cooper Thomas Cooper
G: 29 silk manu, B: 21 gentleman's daughter Wit: Thomas Cooper & Sarah Goodrich Richard?

looks like John's residence is Islington so

1851 Census
JONES, Hannah
UXBRIDGE, Middlesex
HO107 piece 1697 folio 57 page 17
married to 'Jesse' so easily found Hannah from Thornton
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 20 October 12 22:27 BST (UK)
IGI

parents:   Thos. Cooper,​ Mary
   
name:   Arthur Cooper
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   04 Apr 1811
baptism/christening place:   Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicester, England
father's name:   Thos. Cooper
mother's name:   Mary
indexing project (batch) number:   I04593-4
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   1482365

parents:   Thos. Cooper,​ Mary
christening:   08 Apr 1811   Thornton,​ Leicester,​ Leicester,​ England
residence:      Leicester,​ Leicester,​ England

1841 Mercer's Row with an Alfred Cooper 1824 bank clerk
1841 Census
COOPER, Arthur
NORTHAMPTON, Northamptonshire
HO107 piece 814 folio 1/13 page 19    

parents:   Thos. Cooper,​ Mary
   
name:   Alfred Cooper
gender:   Male
baptism/christening date:   27 Jun 1827
baptism/christening place:   Thornton, Leicester, Leicester, England
father's name:   Thos. Cooper
mother's name:   Mary
indexing project (batch) number:   I06824-5
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   1482399

1851 Census
COOPER, Arthur
NORTHAMPTON, Northamptonshire
HO107 piece 1740 folio 212 page 31
Arthur from Thornton

Arthur COOPER otp, (Mercers Row), bachelor, of full age, draper, father Thomas farmer
Mary Ann Mayor otp, (Market Square), spinster, of full age, father Edward Lewis Mayor, Innkeeper
1844 2-Jun Northampton All Saints

1851 Census
COOPER, Alfred
CLIFTON, Gloucestershire
HO107 piece 1952 folio 387 page 43
Alfred with brother James

COOPER, James Newbury
Lutterworth 1848  Oct-Nov-Dec
Martha Goodrick

there's refs to him marrying a Sarah Ward 1840 9th Oct Sileby

When James dies he mentions Rev Charles James Cooper, James as Gentleman

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar about James Newberry Cooper
Name:    James Newberry Cooper
Probate Date:    7 Jan 1893
Death Date:    3 Dec 1892
Death Place:    Staffordshire, England
Registry:    Lichfield


Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Saturday 20 October 12 23:41 BST (UK)
First marriage
COOPER, James Newborry
Sarah Ward Barrow Upon Soar Oct 1840
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Monday 22 October 12 12:09 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsy
now tyring to find john elliotts parents he married Alice geary cooper  dec 1858  in mrk bos rd he was born 1826 whitwick leice and died march 1907 in mrk bos rd

more on alice she was a seamer

more on john
occupation 1861 ag lab :1871 stone quayymen 1881 he cant be found 1891 Ag lab 1901 farmer
res 1861  west lane cottage stanton 1871 still in stanton :1891in the lane ,stanton 1901 stone quarry lodge ,stanton
childen od alice  cooper and john are
thomas elliott,b, 1853 markfield
samuel elliott ,b, 1856 Stanton
john william elliott ,b, 1862 Stanton
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Monday 22 October 12 20:57 BST (UK)
Death for you

ELLIOTT    Alice    Market Bosworth    Leicestershire    1916    Oct-Nov-Dec age 83

There's also a son Joseph 1871 census age 7, thinking Thomas and Samuel are from John's previous marriage but I can't get on family search at the mo

1881 births out, ages are wrong but occupation is stone quarryman and grazier of 2 acres right address

Main Rd, Stanton Under Bardon no children
1881 Census
ELIOTT, Alice
MARKET BOSWORTH, Leicestershire
RG11 piece 3136 folio 92 page 20
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Monday 22 October 12 21:07 BST (UK)
Guessing this might be John married to Elizabeth born Whitwick ag lab

1851 Census
ELLIOTT, John
MARKET BOSWORTH, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 2083 folio 406 page 10

Thinks this would then probably be him in Thringstone parents Thomas and Sophia so matching father's name given on marriage

1841 Census
ELLIOTT, John
ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH, Leicestershire
HO107 piece 596 folio 20/26 page 11

Found this one Whitwick St John
John Elliott M MARR 5 DEC 1847 father Thomas Elizabeth Rollerton Benjamin Rollerton
g age 22 labourer and b age 21, both of Whitwick

as WOOLLERTON in bmd's so needs the original to be looked at, family search is down for site maintenance
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Monday 22 October 12 21:22 BST (UK)
This is the only marriage I could find in Leicestershire

Breedon on the Hill   22-May   1820   B   
Thomas   Elliott   Newbold [Liberty]            
Sophia   Elliott   Newbold [Liberty]
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Wednesday 24 October 12 13:23 BST (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsy
the marraige of  john wallis and elizabeth cooper
12thof april 1848
elizabeth was the dau of joseph cooper and ann bown and jane cooper ,
his there any thing else on the wallis connection the traveller would have been in the fair ground bizz .
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Thursday 25 October 12 19:42 BST (UK)
Sorry have nothing extra for Wallis
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Thursday 01 November 12 17:49 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsy
thanks for every thing you have done for me in finding out about my mums family for her i was hoping to find out about the wallis side but it will have to be a mystery for bit longer ,i did have the Woolerton book out from coalville libary some time ago and did see the Woollertons ,i was counting on that and it worked out fine thanks, its a small yellow book ,with the family trees in it and it has my aunt evelyn cooper family side in the oxfords from ellistown and bagworth she was born 1904 markfield, father joseph cooper 1875 father of charles cooper whom married elizabeth geary so that works out has well ,might see if i can get the book from Amazon so every thing turned out fantastic in the end and now i know ere i came from and my family what a journey it does take you on tracing the family tree and were they came from and what they did for work and how they lived their lives
many thanks
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Banorwood on Sunday 10 November 13 05:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Willsy - This Cooper family is also my direct ancestors.
Going backwards:
Jane Cooper 1837 - 1922 - My Great Grandmother
William Ward Cooper 1807 - 1839 (Poor fellow!)
Thomas Cooper 1782 - 1863
Thomas Cooper 1736 - 1797
John Cooper 1709 -1784 Buried in the Lady Chapel, St. Peters Church, Thornton
Thomas Cooper abt. 1684

Please can you give me any more details of the marriage in your reply No 14?
It reads:
'John Jones M MARR Hannah Cooper 11 SEP 1841 William Jones  Thomas Cooper
G: 29 silk manu, B: 21 gentleman's
daughter Wit: Thomas Cooper & Sarah Goodrich
Thornton 1841 Thomas 59 grazier and Hannah 20
HO107; Piece: 603;  Folio: 12; Page: 18'

Could the John Jones above be Jessie Jones by any chance? Q3 1841, Market Bosworth, Vol. 15, Page 203. If not then please add here the full web site address.
Kind regards
banorwood


Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 10 November 13 08:41 GMT (UK)
It's all from references I have, you would need to order the original or view the parish records
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Banorwood on Sunday 10 November 13 09:20 GMT (UK)
Thanks anyway.
It has enabled me to trace Jessie/Jesse Jones b.abt. 1813, the silk merchant from Wootton, Northampton and Hannah Cooper from 1841 at Thornton through to her possible death in London in 1882. They had three daughters and one son. One of the daughters had ten children. The connections to silk merchants is significant as it was also important to several others from this Cooper family.
Register of Births and Baptisms. Bardon Park & Ashby de la Zouch Chapels (Presbyterian), 1756 to 1837. Year - 1821.
Hannah, Daughter of Thos. Cooper and Mary (Ward) his wife, of the Parish of Thornton, in the County of Leicester (born on the 15th Day of August 1820) was baptised on the 3rd Day of February 1821, by me, Thos. Owen. Protestant Dissenting Minister.
Hannah was also a witness at her elder sister Marianne Cooper's marriage to Richard Nuttall on 14 Jan 1840 at Thornton, Leicestershire.
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Sunday 10 November 13 15:12 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)
Hi willsey
this is my family as well from my mums side of the family the cooper family markfield .found out that elizabeth gearys mother was alice frost  Newtown linford i have the website which is frost and gilchrist and related famlies william frost was a steward at bradgate park house  and his father Richard frost he was a chef .william over looked ever thing and made sure the food and drinkwas put out on te tables  right .elizabeth geary was christend at bardon park i have as well .elizabeth married charles cooper in 1830 thornton i have their marriage  they lived at stoke heys farm markfield in 1851 then moved up to elliottslane markfield  hannah cooper was charels sister  she married charles clapham who their next neighbour i have all the declist and have a lot of census form s with his mum and dad on .i also have a print out from bardon hill thomas and mary were up there as well .
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Sunday 10 November 13 15:24 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
every thing you have sent me has come right
many thanks for all that you have sent i have been going thorw my camara pictures of head stones in markfield ceme
and all those are right has well .
thanks
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Banorwood on Sunday 10 November 13 18:32 GMT (UK)
Dear Willsy
Your look up info on Hannah Cooper (1820 - 1883) has been inspiring and ironically timely! Especially as this week we are all aware of Soldiers at War over the years - Past and Present.
Since last night I have found that:
Hannah Cooper married Jesse Jones and they had a daughter,
Caroline Ada Jones (1844 -1902) who married
George William Tripp (1829 - 1904) and they had a son,
William Henry Lainson Tripp (1881 - 1959). Or to give him his full title.
Lieutenant General William Henry Lainson TRIPP, C.B., D.S.O., M.C., and A.D.C. to His Majesty the King.
An unmarried? Professional Soldier. He was my second cousin twice removed and his military record at the National Archives I have just downloaded.
Yesterday I did not know he existed. Today I know he may have ended so many fighting soldiers lives?
 
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Sunday 10 November 13 19:23 GMT (UK)
Just happy to help after having been very much a novice and being helped in the beginning by Mike
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Monday 11 November 13 12:06 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
when you hearfrom mike fro leicester please say thanks to him for me i wouldnt have goten all this if it wasnt for you lot on here .also ask mike if he can see if he can find a connection to my coopers from the heather coopers .please im on leicestershire villages as well with some others who say there is one but we cant seem to find it.
many
thanks
 ste
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: willsy on Monday 11 November 13 20:18 GMT (UK)
Will do :)
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Wednesday 13 November 13 17:38 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)in the names at the bottom of the page were it says kendrick leicstershire that is another name Abaraham cooper born 1841 markfield  when he married mary ann brooks he and his wife took margreat brooks as ther step dau  she married a samuel kendrick markfield.
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Wednesday 13 November 13 18:14 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
i have this markfield marr
married in the parish church of markfield after bnass by me  samuel adams  curate
date  1852 nov 29th
thomas cooper  son of thomas and mary cooper
married in the parish church of markfield eng father thomas dec
wife ann arnold spinster   both full age  her father samuel arnold  labmarried in the presents of
charles clapham he made his mark .

markfield marriage
1856  jan 17th
thomas cooper  full age  widoer  lad  markfeild  father thomas cooper  lab
sarah brooks  full age  spinster  markfield  father james brooks  farmer.married in the parish church of markfield but have put married in the est church were it should say after banns or lic  but missed out, person who did it was Geof. R. oakley  no curate or vicar
thomas made his mark and sarah made her mark  married in the presents of
joseph brooks
mary ann brooks  they both made their marks so this means they were illltrate also thomas lost his first wife and remarried
Hannah clapham she made her mark
hannah is the sister of charles cooper
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Wednesday 13 November 13 18:31 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey here is Hannah cooper  markfield marriage  1839 sept 8th  charles clapham  full age  bach  cordwianer  male  father Willaim Clapham markfeild
hannah cooper  age full spinster  father thomas cooper lab they coldnt sign ther names so made thier marks.
married in the parish church of markfield
married in the presents of  joseph hoult
john  morris
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Banorwood on Wednesday 20 November 13 07:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Willsy
Referring back to reply 41 and 44. Hannah Cooper who married Jesse Jones. Q3 1841 (I have sent for the marriage cert to prove their names and the parents). I notice that they also had a son Ernest Seymour Jones Q1 1861 (see Cambridge Alumni) who married Sarah Jane Clifford Senior Q1 1889. They had a son Arthur Seymour Jones Q1 1891. Sarah and Arthur were with the aforesaid Marianne Nuttall nee Cooper (Hannah's sister) at Horninglow, Burton, on the 1901 census as visitors. Before today I did not know if and how they were related. Sadly young Arthur died shortly after at Scarborough.
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Thursday 21 November 13 09:46 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
if any one is watching this that is close to were i live i would love to meet any relative that has the same connection that would be able to help me look through the work i have and would proberly be of help to them .from mary and thomas cooper they came from barlestone leicestershirefather and mother of charles cooper 1800
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Friday 22 November 13 20:19 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey
just been looking at my charles cooper with his wife elizabeth  cooper <geary>
born stanton under bardon  as you know 1810 father john cooper and mother alice frost
elizabeth married charles in 1830 thornton  leicestershire 28th day of Nov, No 117
any way been looking at the double 1841 markfield census with his mum and dad on it thomas and mary cooper  one side with joseph cooper  and sarah cooper  the other side   charles  cooper wife elizaberth their dau alice born 1833 markfield
son john c cooper
now i only knew thier
 son doing this as charles cooper  and that he died young  was his proper name john  charles and also they have joseph cooper with them  age 3 was born 1836
and Abraham cooper born 1840 markfield
also they had caleb cooper born 1842 markfield
charels parents thomas and mary  i have looked at her date of birth also and says she born in markfield 1778 now was she  the cousion of her husband this as mystfied also because i didnt think two people with the same name were allowed to marry if related to each other .thomas was born 1781 Barleston leicestershire.
thanks
Danone
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Banorwood on Saturday 14 December 13 05:14 GMT (UK)
See Repy #51.
Marriage Index: Jessie Jones & Hannah Cooper, Q3 1841, Mk. Bosworth, Vol. 15, Page 203.
Marriage Certificate reads:
1841.
Marriage solemnized by Licence in the Parish of Thornton, in the County of Leicester.
Entry No. 43, September 11.
Jesse Jones, aged 29, Bachelor, Silk (Mercer), residing Islington, father William Jones, (Occupation? This would be a guess) and Hannah Cooper, aged 21, Spinster, Gentleman's Daughter, living at Thornton, father Thomas Cooper, Gentleman.
Married in the (St. Peter's) Parish Church, according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church of England, by me, Samuel Adams, Curate. Both signed in the presence of Thomas Cooper (Father?), Sarah Goodrich (Possibly - her brother, William Newberry Cooper's, future second wife Martha's, sister), and Rich(a)d. Nuttall, (Draper- her sister Marianne Cooper's husband).
Comments:
The sloping writing is not easy to read hence the Index has: Jessie instead of Jesse.
His father, William Jones's occupation could be anything.
It can be assumed that because the family were from Wootton, Northamptonshire, that his trade may have been in connection with either silk or shoes.
It can also be assumed that Hannah forsook her nonconformist views of her parents at the time of her Christening/Baptism and had adopted the Established Church at that particular time in her life.

St. Peter's Church at Thornton is in the most beautiful of settings above the Thornton reservoir. It is also where her great grandparents, John and Sarah Cooper's slate Memorial/tombstone is set in the floor near the altar in the Lady Chapel.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F7VyTOpRVk
Also See: http://www.markfieldcofe.co.uk/thornton.html
It could also be assumed that Jesse and Richard Nuttall were friends and possibly that he was the best man, that they were certainly in the silk and cloth drapery business's, as other data and later family events have proved.
There could also be some significance of the fact that Sarah Goodrich signed as second witness, which will be researched further.



Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Saturday 14 December 13 21:03 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)Hi willsey just seen your reply about the cooper side  of mum family the from charles and elizabeth  cooper side her mothers family the frost family  richard frost  father of alice frost 01 apr  1755 she lived here in Newtown linford  she married john geary ,father of elizabeth geary born 1810 stanton under bardon .alice married john in  29th  apr  1799 thornton  leice  Alice frost  christ  18th of oct  1784.elizabeth geary  christ  28th of apr  1810  bardon park  and ashby de la zouch francis frost  born  06 Nov 1705  newtwon linford  died  08 apr  1706 father thomas frost and mother  mary frost .
the thomas cooper and sarah cooper  ,she was brooks stoney lane markfield  which was a farm  which is still here just on the end of broad lane markfield  i have the brooks side of the family as well thomas son of thomas and mary cooper ,i have the dec list of the cooper family markfield  thomas cooper  about  1754  of market bos leicester .thomas aglab  mary cooper wife  age 61 son joseph cooper age 6on the 1841 census  sarah cooper dau  age 3  then acrossthe other side is charles  age 40  farmer
elizabeth wife  31
dau alice  age 8
john charles cooper  age 5
joseph cooper  age 3
Abraham cooper  11 months old
Alice geary cooper married john elliott from whitwick born 1827 so young  thomas cooper who married sarah brooks was the brother of our charles .oour charles wasnt actully born 1801 but 1800 barlestone 
batch Number  C04457-1 ,23rd of march .our chrales dies  5th  april  1889 aged 88
elizabeth dies  6th of dec  aged  79 1889 on the 1861 charles is aged 60 
all living at 60 stoke heys  markfield
HO107/2083/FOLIO 408/PAGE 15
charles and elizabeth had a son called charles  he was on the  1851 census   a long with caleb and  james , william,  Abraham . joseph , alice ,
caleb cooper shepard  worked for  joseph johnson farmer of  205 acres  ulverscroft  lodge  ulverscroft  1871 pointsman 1881  farmer  18 acres  1891  farmer coal dealer  1901  farmer  <dairyres in  1871 n moor end spondon derby  1881  spondon derby  1891  fish ponds  spondon
1901  pratts farm croft
caleb married abigail green
they had William cooper  ,b, dce  1865 bright side  sheffield
Harriet  cooper  ,b, march  1869 spondon
emma elizabeth  cooper  ,b, june  1870  spondon.

jane cooper dau of joseph son of charles and elizabeth  was born  1862 stanton under bardon  she married Adam lee  june  1883 in mrk bos  RD  he was  1860 Rhosllanergreggog  Denbighshire .i have so much more from mum family
ste
Title: Re: Thoams cooper and mary
Post by: Danone on Friday 27 July 18 21:01 BST (UK)
Hi guys was there any connection from my Elizabeth Geary born 1810 Stanton under bardon father John Geary married Alice frost 1799 .
I have been on a website from Dadlington today were they have the 1841 census and on wards and history of the village the Geary family lived there so I would like to know if she was connected to the village .
Thanks
Steve