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Hi, Andrew Delany/Delaney (he spelled it both ways on the census forms) was my great grandfather. He was from Kings County. He was married to Norah who was from Queens County. I believe the marriage took place around 1898 or thereabouts. They lived in Montpelier Hill in Dublin from the time of the 1901 census until their deaths.
Could anyone help me find out where in Offaly Andrew was from and what was Norah's maiden name and where was she from in Laois. We do have Egan relatives in or near Edenderry if thats of any help. Thanks in advance.
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I'd start with their marriage to establish details of their fathers, or even a birth cert or baptism for one of the children to establish Norah's maiden name..
Here's the 1901 census for reference - Delaney household (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Montpelier_Hill/1338874/)
both children born 'Dublin City' so I think the place to start the search for the marriage...
Shane
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and in 1911 -
Delaney - 1911 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Montpelier_Hill/57046/)
ages a little inconsistent for the adults, but ok for eldest child Margaret M.
Shane
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there's a good match for the birth of one of the sons - correct middle name, timeframe and district :
Name: Andrew Christopher Delany
Registration district: Dublin North
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Oct-Dec 1903
Volume: 2 / Page: 528
not seeing anything promising for the marriage at the moment, but Norah's maiden name from the birth cert should help narrow that down..
depending on which census you believe, it looks like Andrew snr. could have been born before the start of civil records - so you may need to check for parish records for him.
Shane
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Thanks Shane. I knew I could depend on you ! I'll be heading into town on Tuesday morning for that Cert and hopefully it may provide a few answers.
I have looked at the 1911 census and one of the daughters is a visitor on census night at the home of John Egan in Pembroke Lane. I have tried looking for John Egans in the 1901 census in Laois to see if I can match them up, but so far no joy. I think these people (Egans) may possibly have been my ggmother's relations. Thanks again.
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Hi there,
I think I may ahve the Egan / Delaney connection for you !
This looks to me to be the two John Egan's on the 1901 Irish Census
john & john egan 1901 Irish Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Derryad/Lower_Heath/1463752/)
They have a son Michael and this looks like his birth
birth michael egan (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXR-7YW)
and his mother's maiden name is DELANEY !
Tara
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Here are some more births to John Egan and Margaret Delaney
egan / delaney births (https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aegan~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aoffaly~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1880~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Amargaret~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Adelaney~)
Tara
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Tara - thats brilliant. I think this lady Margaret Delaney was my ggfather's sister and that would make John Egan Jun, my grandmothers cousin. Also, one of my grannys sisters was called Margaret. Thanks so much for all your help - Barbara
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Hi there,
The free index on ifhf shows that Margaret Delaney was baptised in 1899 at St. Paul's Arran Quay Dublin, to Andrew and Honor Delaney - I can't work out tho what her maiden name is.
ifhf is a pay per view site and for about 5 euro you will get to see a transcription of the church record
Still no sign of the marriage of Andrew and Honor (Norah)
Tara
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Ok I think I may have found something for you....
In 1899 in Kinnitty County Offaly an And(?) Delaney married an Honor ?
If you do decide to get the baptism and get a maiden name, please give me the maiden name and then I can cross reference it and see if it's a match.
You cna then get that marriage record / transcription which will give you their father's names !
Tara
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Hi there
I have found an Andrew Delaney farming in Kinnity on the Griffiths Valuation in the 1850's.
andrew delaney griffiths valuation (http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/offaly/kinnitty.htm)
Maybe he's a father or grandfather of your Andrew ?
On the 1901 Irish Census there are only a few Delaney's left in Kinnitty
delaney's of kinnity 1901 irish census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=delan*&firstname=&county=King%27s+Co.&townland=&ded=kin*&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=)
Tara
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OK SO I'm aware that I'm totally losing the run of myself now but hopefully all this will pan out HA !
Anyway on the 1901 census there is a Michael Delaney in Kinnity
michael delaney kinnitty 1901 irish census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Kinnetty/Ballincur/1464383/)
Anyway this is him in 1911
michael delaney 1911 irish census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Kinnitty/Ballincur/554018/)
He named his first son Andrew Delaney, so I'm putting 2 and 2 together and wondering could this Michael Delaney be the brother of your Andrew Delaney ???
So, then I found descendents of this Michael Delaney doing his family tree
michael delaney message board (http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=455&p=surnames.delaney)
It's a very old thread though but you could be lucky !
Hopefully some of this works out for you - fingers crossed - and please double check everything !
Tara
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Ok, the last bit for today.............I promise !
the free index on ifhf shows an Andrew Delaney baptised in 1859 in Kinnity RC Church to an Andrew and Anne Delaney - I really think this is YOUR Andrew........
Gosh hope I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase ..........
Tara
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Wow Tara.....thank you so much for doing all this research. I'd still be at it in six months time.... I know in these things everything needs to be cross referenced, but so many of the christian names with this Michael Delaney are replicated in my grannys family. He has a Julia and my granny was also Julia. Maggie Delaney was his wife's name and my granny's sister was also known as Maggie.
Hopefully all the info you have given me will work out and they will end up being the right family. Can you tell me what ifhf (is it Irish Family History Forum ?). You have given me plenty of work to be going on with.... Happy Days !! Once again, thank you so much for your great help - Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I really do hope this all works out to be correct
Did you get the birth cert today that Shane referenced for you ?
This is the site that I was talking about........
http://www.rootsireland.ie/
If you haven't gotten the birth cert that Shane mentioned then I would recommend that you get the baptism in 1899 of Margaret Delaney to get her mother's maiden name.........
I can then help you cross reference all the other info that I posted.
Please bear in mind that the record you will see of ifhf will be a transcription of the church record - it wil cost about 5 euro to see, a bargain if it gives you the info you need !
Fingers Crossed
Let me know how you get on !
Tara
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Hi, Andrew and Norah (Honora) Delaney were my grandparents on my fathers side, Andrew died in 1936 and Nora in 1953, their son Andrew Christopher died in 1958, Andrew was from Kinnity as far as I know, Norah was from Glandine Arderin, many of her brothers and sisters are buried in Camross Cemetery, she was a Moore by birth. one of her brother's descendants have traced the family back to the beginning of the 19th century, The parents of Nora were Keeshan on the female side, there were Colliers in the previous generation. the last daughter of Andrew and Nora only died in 2009. Paul
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Hi Paul... thats great news ..looks like we might be cousins !! I'm their Andrew and Honora's great granddaugher. My grandmother was their daughter Julia. Unfortunately, she died when I was very young and apparently did not really talk to her family. Would love to send you further information via private message, but am unsure how to do this.
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Thanks Shane. Looking forward to hearing from Paul again
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That's great news Barbara...............
And what's better still was that I was right about Kinnity..............Happy Days !
Tara
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Yes Tara, its brilliant news. I'm so excited...I keep checking to see if Paul has logged on...so hopefully I'll be able to put 'complete' on this thread soon. Thank you so much for all your help, its really appreciated.
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Hi,
as the moderator said I am not yet allowed to contact anybody directly yet, whenever I am allowed I will contact you directly.
as I wrote in my original message, another distant relation has traced the Moore family back to the very beginning of the 19th Century, some of the marriages are registered and were and maybe still are available to view online
The eldest child of Andrew and Norah was called Margaret, she continued to live in the house on Montpelier hill until at least the 1970s, her married name was Carey, another sister May lived in a different house in Montpelier Hill and then moved to Glasnevin, her married name was Lynch, I met her children at the funeral of May a few years ago
one of the sons John died early, If I remember what my father said he was in the Irish Army when he died, according to the Mass Card that I have Andrew Christopher Delaney was living in Drimnagh when he died in 1958.
I have some photos of Norah , her son Andrew Christopher, my father and one of his sisters together with quite a few photographs of Glandine and Capard from the 1930s up to the 1960s. the graveyard in Camross is really beautiful and well maintained, many of Norah's brothers, sisters and other relations are buried there.
If I remember right what my father said, some of Andrew's brothers emigrated to New York where they had a Bar, my father vaguely remembered their visit to Montpelier Hill in the early 1920s.
maybe someday we could meet, we could also invite some of May's children and my sister.
bw
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Hi, can't wait to talk to you Paul. Thanks for all that info...unbelievable. Was Austin Carey a relative ? I rememer one of my aunts mentioning his name, but could'nt see where the link was. My dad is Julia's son, so that makes him your first cousin. Whose child are you ?
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Hi, Austin was a relative, whenever we can contact direct I will try to contact Deirdre, the daughter of May Lynch, then we can maybe put together a web page with some of the pictures and information. by the way another of Margaret's children is buried in Mt Jerome,
I forget the name at the moment
It is possible that the family split on the Civil War, there certainly seemed to be issues around that subject.
assuming Andrew was born in 1859 then he was 14 years older than Nora, both certainly seemed to have lived long lives, if you look at the census data for Norah's mother you can see that most of her children lived whereas several of Norah's children died young, the Slieve Bloom's were obviously healthier than Dublin in those days
bw
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Hi Paul, have just sent you a private message.
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Hello i was wondering if you had any links to the keeshan family as i am a relative fo a micheal keeshan/keechan and i am trying to do his family tree if you have please email me :
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thanks
kimberley
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Hi Kimberley,
I don't know very much about the Keeshan family except that I think Margaret Moore nee Keeshan was from the area around Roscrea. I will try to find out more, if I can I will update, bw Paul
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Thankyou so much..