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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: trisholdham on Sunday 23 September 12 00:38 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a Robert Hamilton born abt 1881 to 1883 in Tandragee Armagh, father James Hamilton, and mother Sarah Redpath, he did get married in 1910 in Scotland before he immigrated to Australia in 1911, cannot find his birth any where, he did have a brother George that was born 26 March 1875 in Tandragee and also a brother Thomas all born before him in the same place, can any one help me please.
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I wonder if this is Robert in 1901. I note there is a Sarah Redpath at the same address (a cousin perhaps).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankill_Ward/Cambrai_Street/984287/
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Thank you very much, yes it could well be him the age looks right.
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As well as Thomas in 1867 and George in 1875, Familysearch also shows a brother James born 8 January 1870.
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thanks again for James Hamilton, can't understand why Robert is not showing up any where?
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This might be Robert's father in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Tandragee_Rural/Mullaghglass/1021086/
RosemaryJoan
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I found him in the 1901 census at 26 Ballysheilmore Armagh with wife Sarah and sons James and George, but thank you very much for looking.
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His birth should have been registered in the Banbridge registration district. There's a Robert John Scott Hamilton in 1881 and a Robert Hamilton in 1882. Have you already checked both of those?
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No I have not checked Banbridge district, where is that ?
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Banbridge is the name of the registration district which covers the townland of Ballysheil More. Banbridge is also the name of a town (between Banbridge and Newry).
To find details of townlands, parishes, etc. see www.thecore.com/seanruad. The site lists the PLU (Poor Law Union) for each place- this will also be the name of the registration district.
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thanks for the information, but it does not give me names of people born in Tanderagee?
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thanks for the information, but it does not give me names of people born in Tanderagee?
You asked in your previous post "...Banbridge district, where is that ?" so I explained where Banbridge (town) i and how to find more details on the registration district.
The online civil registration index for Ireland (www.familysearch.org) covers births from 1864 to 1921 for Northern Ireland counties.
The same site also has some extracted birth records (1864-c1881) which gives names of parents and the place listed is usually the registration district (although isn't terribly clear on the site) but is not complete.
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Thanks again, I have just found the film to order for both Robert Hamilton of Banbridge 1882 and Robert John Scott Hamilton b. 1881 Banbridge.
Thanks a million for all you have given me.
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There's also a death registration- which may be the Robert John Scott Hamilton born 1881:
Robert Hamilton, age 1, Apr./June 1882 Banbridge reg. dist., volume 1 page 149
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That death ties up well as I was banking more on the other Robert Hamilton, will now send off for the Film from the Latter Day saints in America.
Thanks again
Trish
NSW Australia
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If FHL has that film then that can be best because there might be other records on the film that will interest you and you'll be sure to see everything.
Alternatively, http://www.rootsireland.ie/ might have transcribed that birth registration. The advantage of that is that you can purchase it and view it right away. They sometimes don't transcribe all the details but they get the date, parents' names, and townland.
Also see this rootschat thread about ordering research certificates:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html
I find that the most efficient way to go when I want several registrations at once.
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I'll go with the film, Rootsireland did not have my Robert.
Many thanks
Trish
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Hi Trish,
My husband is related through the Redpaths to the family of James Hamilton and Sarah Redpath. This Hamilton family is mentioned in our family's letters sent to Australia during 1880s. I would be very interested in finding out about Robert and his descendants who also came to Australia and tell you of Robert's great great aunt who settled in Victoria in the 1850s
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Heather
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Hi Heather,
I have got in touch with Robert Hamilton by phone as he is at present in Sydney but will be back after the Xmas holidays to Reedy Creek Qld, he is one of our genealogy members that I am helping with his ancestors. He is delighted with your message, and will get in contact as soon as he gets back.
Happy Xmas
Trish Oldham
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Hi Trish,
Thanks so much for helping to put us in touch after the holidays,
Merry Christmas to you too,
Regards Heather
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Hi Heather,
Robert Hamilton is now back from Sydney and is trying to get an email organized but for now I said you can use my email to correspond, so can you answer me on my email at -
I can scan and send things accross to you from him, and you can send things to me and I will print them out for Robert, he is very happy about all this.
Bye for now
Trish
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Hi Bit late but but my mothers father was Robert Hamilton and I have a copy of his 1910 Certificate which states he married Mary Taylor on the 14 Oct 1910 in the Parish of Dollar in the County of Clackmannan and they had 3 children Elizabeth, May & Margaret. Elizabeth (My Mother) was born on a ship of Tasmania. Robert died in 1963 at Toorak Victoria Australia.
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Heather Hi
Thanks for the information re Robert I did not know there where two Robert's Hamilton. here's a bit of info you may or may not know when it comes to the children's marriages Elizabeth & John Oliver Muldoon, May & Jack Ward and Margaret was married to Harold Murray & Geoffrey Healey.
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My gggrandmother, Mary Jane HAMILTON came from Ballysheilmore, near Tandragee to Australia in 1863, with her husband J T HALL. Their granddaughter told me that 7 cousins of J T's came to NSW. It wasn't said if they were HALLs or HAMILTONs. My HALLs came from Corlust, a neighbouring townland of Ballysheilmore and close to Tandragee and Clare. There were HAMILTONS there also. I haven't yet managed to connect all the HAMILTONs around that area. Perhaps we have a connection to Robert Hamilton. All I know for certain about Mary Jane is that her father was William HAMILTON.
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Hi, the 2 Hamilton families of Ballyshielmore who are connections to our families are George Hamilton who married Margaret Redpath 1831 and James Hamilton (possible relation of George unknown at the present time) married Sarah Redpath 1859. Sarah was a niece of Margaret Redpath. Various members of our family have had their DNA tested with Ancestry. If you've had the test too send me your test name so we can see if there is a match :) Kind regards Heather Cook
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Hi, the 2 Hamilton families of Ballyshielmore who are connections to our families are George Hamilton who married Margaret Redpath 1831 and James Hamilton (possible relation of George unknown at the present time) married Sarah Redpath 1859. Sarah was a niece of Margaret Redpath. Various members of our family have had their DNA tested with Ancestry. If you've had the test too send me your test name so we can see if there is a match :) Kind regards Heather Cook
Just adding the marriage for reference-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09563/5467360.pdf
Fathers William Hamilton, a farmer and Thomas Redpath, also a farmer.
In the 1901 census.
Residents of a house 26 in Ballysheilmore (Ballysheil, Armagh)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Ballysheil/Ballysheilmore/1020055/
Ballysheil More townland
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/ballymore/ballysheil-more/
KG
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My gggrandmother, Mary Jane HAMILTON came from Ballysheilmore, near Tandragee to Australia in 1863, with her husband J T HALL.
Marriage of John Thomas Hall and Mary Jane Hamilton in 1858. Both came from the civil parish of Ballymore... her father was William Hamilton, farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09544/5459953.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/ballymore/
KG
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Yes, I have the marriage certificate, thanks.
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Heather, I just got out my HAMILTON research and I have the possibility of Wm HAMILTON who may have married Sarah ? being the father of:
- ??? with child John HAMILTON b 1850
- my Mary Jane HAMILTON b abt 1833 living in B'sheilmore when she marr. J T HALL in 1858 in Clare Pres Church, Tandragee
- Wm HAMILTON b abt 1835 - in 1901 he was in Ballysheil & unmarried
- James HAMILTON abt 1838 marr Sarah REDPATH 1901 they were in Ballysheilmore and were Presb. My John Thomas HALL was a witness at the wedding along with Thomas ALEXANDER, who was John Thomas' witness in 1858.
-George abt 1841 marr Agnes
-? marr. Ann with a child Bella
As I said this was just trying to match up some of the names in the area. Let me know your thoughts on these 6 being children of William HAMILTON. I haven't looked at it for a long while.
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Yes, I have the marriage certificate, thanks.
Ahh, but others haven't seen it on the thread!
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Hi Kiltaglassan & jahjahau, Thanks for the info. Yes our James & Sarah Hamilton are the ones you have both indicated. They are buried at the Clare Presbyterian Church and have a large headstone and some of their family are buried with them. jahjahau I think that you're probably correct about our James Hamilton being a brother to your Mary Jane. Sarah Redpath is a 3rd great grand aunt of my husband being a sister to his 3rd great grandmother Elizabeth Redpath. The connection to my husband is through the Redpath family. Robert Hamilton mentioned in the original post is a great grandson of James Hamilton & Sarah Ann Redpath. Thanks again Kind regards Heather
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Thanks Heather. I have been researching for nearly 40 years and my Irish lines have not gone very far at all until this week. I think I sorted the HALLs out through one U.S. document I found online and now the HAMILTON line may have sprouted a little twig.
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Hi, somehow your email to me has disappeared. One of our group would like to contact you so can you please send me another email so that I can put you in contact Kind regards Heather