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According to my records a John ALLIN married Elizabeth WHITE (of Steventon) in 1707 - probably Oxfordshire. They had children John (d abt 1754), Richard, Mary (b 26 Feb 1711 Iffley), Elizabeth and Anne. I am trying to trace the family in parish records, but live some distance from Oxfordshire. I believe the Allin family may have a connection with Littlemoore as well. I have three generations further back for the Allins, but names only - no exact dates or places.
Any help gratefully received, thank you.
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Hi,
Please see my private message (pm).
Victor
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Hi, and thanks for that - unfortunately I can't tie in these with my known Allins - any info. on christenings for the family or the marriage would be great.
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Hi,
I'll check the Oxfordshire records for you at the Glos Family History Society on my next visit and get back to you.
Victor
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Thanks very much.
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Hi Hissey :)
I have the Oxfordshire Marriage Index (OxFHS CD) but can't see your couple on it :(
However, I also have OxFHS PRs for Steventon and Iffley (and Littlemore) and will check those for you - probably tomorrow as it's quite late now. You might already know this, but Littlemore didn't have its own church until 1836 so the events you're seeking wouldn't be recorded there.
Speak later,
Carol
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Hi again Hissey :)
Bad news first – no record of the marriage of John and Elizabeth in Steventon or Iffley :(
Better news – the following baptisms are recorded in Iffley:
ALLIN John 10 Nov 1709
ALLEN Mary 26 Feb 1710/11
ALLEN Elizabeth 20 Sep 1713
ALLEN John 9 Feb 1715/16
ALLIN Richard 28 Sep 1718
ALLIN Ann 23 Jun 1721
All state ‘s./d. of John and Elizabeth’ but no address given. The 1709 John could be the John ALLIN ‘of Lettlemore’ buried at Iffley on 16 Dec 1709.
Also found a Steventon baptism for Elizabeth WHITE – 15 Dec 1678, d. of Richard and Mary.
Do you need any marriage/burial details for the ALLIN/ALLEN children? I’ve found a few, and some of the entries mention Littlemore.
Hope this helps,
Carol
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Hissey
The Index to Probate etc at the ORO lists a Will for a John ALLIN who died in 1740
ALLIN John,Littlemore Iffley,1740
W.210.402;114/3/19
Kim
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Which ties in nicely with the burial of John ALLEN at Iffley on 12 Dec 1740 (no other details on PRs)
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Iffley Marriages
March 18th, 1797
SLATTER Richard, bachelor of St Martin, Oxford
ALLIN Mary, spinster of this parish
Witnesses: Elizabeth SLATTER, Ann ALLIN, John BROWN, by licence
October 10th, 1802
HEATH William Read, bachelor of this parish
ALLIN Elizabeth, spinster of this parish
Witnesses: Richard ALLIN, Ann ALLIN, by licence
January 1st, 1811
HEATH James, of Ewelm
ALLIN Sarah, of Littlemore
Witnesses: John HEATH, Alin HEATH, A.ALLIN, by licence
May 10th, 1831
SLATER Henry, of St Rumbolds, Colchester, Essex
ALLIN Ann Elizabeth, of this parish
Witnesses: John STACY, Richard ALLIN jnr, by licence
July 20th, 1836
THOMPSON William, widower of St Peter in the East, Oxford
ALLIN Ella, spinster of this parish
Witnesses: Richard ALLIN jnr, Martin THOMPSON, Elizabeth THOMPSON, Catherine THOMPSON, Georgina Eaton THOMPSON, by licence
Victor
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Hi Hissey,
Still no response to my post of 25th September? Do you still require lookups?
Victor
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Hi Hissey,
I feel you should have at least responded to the data lookup I posted almost a month ago, plus my offer of further lookups.
I now consider your post completed and will not be bothered to assist you any further.
Victor
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Many, many apologies for not having replied to your posts, and thank you so much for your help. Family circumstances meant I took my eye off the ball for a while and your posts, along with other things, got lost; for some reason the reply notifications were not arriving in my inbox either. Again, please accept my apologies.
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It's ok Hissey, most of us understand that 'real' life sometimes has to take precedence. (I haven't been on here recently either, because of other priorities - good ones! - in my personal life.)
Anyway, it's good to hear from you and your comments are greatly appreciated.
All the best,
Carol
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Going back to the first post, Mary Allin, 1711, married John Hissey (V) in Magdalen College 19 Feb 1739. They had 3 sons (John (VI), Richard and Jonathon whilst at Longworth and a daughter Elizabeth, born in Beenham. It is Elizabeth who connects with my family via the Lovelocks, but I would be interested to know why they went to Beenham as the seem to have returned to Lonngworth (and Mary subsequently back to Iffley)
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Trevor,
Yes I have the marriage of John and Mary Allin in 1739, with the three sons you mention at Longworth. However, although I have a daughter Elizabeth Hissey for the family she was born on 26th May 1752 and baptised on 11 Jun 1752 at Longworth, not Beenham. The entry in the family bible (in my possession) for her birth reads:
"On Tuesday the 26 day of May 1752 between eleven and twelve a clock at night Elizabeth Hissey was born."
The Beenham Hisseys were another branch of the family i think you will find - there are several John Hisseys who married Marys so it does get confusing. Happy to help you sort it out if you like.
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Thanks yours. Yes, indeed, I would need some guidance - I don't think I have seen the Hissey's in Beenham, or, if I have, I have been confused. Just to clarify, I am tracking my Mother's maternal line - the Bancrofts - who married into the Lovelocks in Beenham. I have wondered why/how my humble lot got mixed up with the rather grand Hisseys!
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Trevor,
The marriage between James Lovelock and Elizabeth Hissey took place in Beenham in 1791. I assume that you have traced your ancestry back to this couple, but if not confirmed let me know. It would seem unlikely that this is the same Elizabeth Hissey who was born and baptised in Longworth in 1752, as she would have been nearly 40 years old at the time, old for a first marriage and children. Longworth is about 30 miles from Beenham.
It is perhaps more likely that she was from a Beenham Hissey family - for example the family of William Hissey/Hizzy and Mary who were having children baptised at Beenham 1768-1775. To check for clues I would firstly look at the original marriage entry in the parish registers at Beenham to see whether the parish register listed which parish Elizabeth was from. Also check to see who the witnesses to the marriage were, if listed. If, for example, William (though see a possible burial below), his wife Mary, or one of his other children was a witness then you can probably assume that he was Elizabeth's father. If it listed Elizabeth as resident in a different parish then you could check records in that parish for any baptism.
You could also check for the burial of William Hissey in Beenham (probably the William buried there in 1790 - see FamilySearch), then cross reference with will records to see if William left a will, perhaps naming his daughter Elizabeth - a quick check on the Berkshire Wills Index https://www.berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/wills-index?full_name=Hissey does not list any will for him though, nor is there anything among the PCC wills on Ancestry. Also check for any other Hissey wills in the area, though again there is nothing obvious on the wills index (remember to check for surname variants such as Hyzzy, Hizzy etc).
Sometimes the baptism of a child was missed from the register for some reason, or the register might have been poorly kept. Sometimes children were not baptised at all. You may need to use some lateral thinking to try to fit the Hissey family together.
You could contact Berkshire record office for a copy of the marriage register, or you could visit a FamilySearch Family History Centre, of which there are a good number across the country (see https://www.familysearch.org/help/fhcenters/locations/) - at the Family History Centre you could view a copy of the register through their digital access to the records.
It is always best to try to view the originals of parish register entries, rather than rely on the information included in indexes and transcriptions, as the original will often include extra clues. Whilst Ancestry hints can be helpful they need to be treated with care as they may lead you in the wrong direction. Please excuse me if you know all this already!
Good luck, and feel free to come back to me for further help if you need it.
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Yes, that is the marriage. I can't find the marriage register online.
I have had a brief look around, but the only William Hissey in the area seems to have been deported to Australia - maybe he came back, I think some did - but I see no Elizabeth as a daughter. Maybe there was a different William.
I have 'my' Elizabeth Hissey as dying in Iffley - which I had presumed to be her mother's (Mary Allin) family home. My primary source seems to have been wikitree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hissey-1 where the info appears to have come from Salt Lake City records. I will try and check one day at our local Family History Centre, but, presumably, the info will be the same.
BUT, of course, you are right, marriage at 40 and then 3 sons seems very unlikely.
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Sorry, 1 son, 2 daughters.
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There was an Elizabeth Lovelock buried in Beenham on 5th August 1827 aged 70 (so born in about 1757) - see the Berkshire Burial Index on FindMyPast. This may, or may not, have been "your" Elizabeth, wife of James Lovelock. Check the original of the entry for any more clues. If so, then it doesn't fit with the Elizabeth Hissey of Longworth as the ages don't match (although sometimes ages were approximate). It may have been another Elizabeth Lovelock though. No obvious burial for James Lovelock in Beenham though - your wikitree source has him as dying in 1822 in Crondall, Hampshire, which seems unlikely though it is of course possible. Wikitree again is simply a place where people put their family trees, which are only as good as the research which has gone into them, so always check the sources and never rely on someone else's research unless you can trust it.
The William Hissey who died in Beenham in 1790 was a pauper, according to the Berkshire Burial Index - there might be more information on him amongst parish chest records for the parish (eg records of the overseers of the poor) if these records survive for Beenham. Try the Berkshire record office to see what records of the Beenham parish they hold.
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Can't thank you enough for your clues.
I think I will settle for a John Hissey and Sarah Champ both of Beenham as parents of Elizabeth. There seem to have been older siblings Mary, Joseph, Sarah and Robert. It still makes her a little old for marriage and children but I will leave it there until I can get to actual records.
I take your point re:wikitree but was reassured by the reference to "British Isles Vital Records" as source. I will try and delete the marriage there - that, at least, we know(!) to be incorrect.
Thanks again
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Hi there,
I’m late to the party but wondered if I could pick your collective brains.
I’ve only just come across the Allin family having previously misread/mis transcribed a marriage.
I have Ann Allen/Allin (1721-1779) of Littlemore as married to Richard Rowland of Water Eaton, Oxon.
From this thread and some other research I have Ann as daughter of John Allin and Elizabeth White.
I wondered if there had been any luck tracing the Allin and White families back? Some provisional research indicated that Elizabeth may just be related to John White et al who were involved in the Dorchester Company and established the state of Massachusetts (would be lovely if this were so!)
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Roland