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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: howesd on Tuesday 25 September 12 11:18 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate some help with researching Montana census records. I have an Alice Hackin Gray born 1860 Durham England married for the 2nd time to a William Archer Brownlow abt 1887. Her 1st husband was William Macnay died in 1882. At some point after this Alice and William together with the daughters of Alice, Florence Macnay b1882 in England and Hetty Macnay born 1884 travelled out to Montana. They returned in 1893 where the girls are listed on the Passenger list with the surname Brownlow together with another sister, Sarah Brownlow.
I have searched on Ancestry but there does not seem to be a suitable census for Montana which covers this period. Can anyone suggest any other means of trying to find them living in the USA. William Brownlow had a brother George living in Montana working as a Quartz Miner in 1900 census in Gardiner, Cooke, Jardine, Park. It is thought that Alice ran a hotel whilst living in Montana.
Any help with this one would be appreciated.
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Hi,
Unfortunately the 1890 census was almost entirely destroyed by fire and only remnants remain which is why your having no luck finding the family. City directories are sometimes useful, they tend to give information between census but I cannot see anything so far.
https://familysearch.org/ shows most of the records available in the US.
Sandra
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You might get some useful starting points here....http://www.cyndislist.com/us/mt/libraries/
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Have you found Sarah on any English census returns? Do you know Sarah's year of birth, please?
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I have found a possible candidate for Sarah Brownlow in 1901 census in New Brancepath, Durham, Lancashire where she states born in USA British Subject. She was born in 1886/7
William Brownlow 43
Florence Brownlow 40
Florence Brownlow 19
Sarah Brownlow 14
Thomas Brownlow 64
RG13; Piece: 4677; Folio: 123; Page: 33
Thank you for taking interest.
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The 1892 Helena, Montana city directory has this:
Brownlow, Wm., laborer, resides 668 W. Main.
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Thank you for the information. It could be her. I do not have access to passenger lists to the UK, but by a process of elimination, it appears that Sarah was born c1886.
Perhaps a coincidence?
Helena, Montana Directory, 1891
George R Brownlow, laborer, 585 W Main
Wm Brownlow, laborer, 668 W Main
Update: Shelly, you beat me to it. ;)
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Brownlow's buried in Helena. Perhaps a connection?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rch/
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This doesn't help in the search, but...
November 10, 1933, Helena, Montana
Thomas P. Brownlow, Pioneer Mining Man, Dies at Family Home
Thomas P. Brownlow, 73,...mining ventures in the Helena district for the past 50 years, died shortly before midnight last evening...family residence, 930 N. Park avenue...Remains at Opp and Conrad funeral home. Mr. Brownlow was born in England, March 9, 1860, came to Helena in 1883(?)...health had been failing for the past nine years. All family members were at his bedside. Surviving: widow, Sarah Anne Brownlow (was Sarah Anne Ackroyd, married in 1888), sons Thomas B. of Helena Sand and Gravel Co., George P. of Brownlow grocery, Archie, garage foreman at Fort Harrison, daughter Mrs. William Sprague of Los Angeles.
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September 23, 1939, Helena Independent
George Brownlow, 48, died yesterday after a year's illness...operated Brownlow's Grocery at 48 West Sixth avenue for 10 years...Born in Empire (Montana), November 24, 1891....surviving are wife, brothers Archie and Thomas B...
So, his family was close to, living in, or passing through Empire, Montana in 1891.
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Thank you so much Lisa for taking the trouble to look for me, it is very kind. I was aware of a George R. Brownlow - William's brother - and today I found the graves of Thomas Patterson Brownlow and his 2nd wife Sarah. What I really really want is evidence of Alice running a hotel, any signs !! We can't be sure if Alice married William Brownlow in the States or if before they left England.
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Hello Howesd!
I happen to live in Park County, Montana. :D
May I suggest:
Park County Genealogy Society
10 MacDonald Creek Rd
Livingston, MT 59047
(Sorry, I can't find an email address but I know they exist. It's a small group and I know they hold a meeting once a month except June - Aug in the local Senior Center.)
Yellowstone Gateway Museum of Park County
118 W. Chinook St
Livingston, MT 59047
(This small museum hold lots of info concerning the area.)
Either should be able to help with your research since Cooke City, Gardiner, & Jardine are within the county.
They may point you in the right direction especially concerning the restaurant, mines, etc.
How about: The Livingston - Park Co. Library - http://www.livingstonpubliclibrary.org/ ?
Also - the Montana Historical Society - http://www.montanahistoricalsociety.org/ in Helena may help.
And - the World Mining Museum in Butte, MT - http://miningmuseum.org/
Miners tended to move from place to place here back then. Montana and the surrounding states had - and still have - numerous mines.
Empire, MT no longer exists as far as I know - the MT Historical Society or Yellowstone Gateway may know where it was. Lots of ghost town here - they died when the ore mines ran out.
My family is not from MT so I do not know much about research here but if you need some help concerning the places above, or have a question, let me know and I will see what I can do. ;D
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Although its a while since this post was active I have been reading it with interest. My great grandmother was Sarah Ann Gray, sister of Alice Hackin Gray. I didn't know anything about Alice and her travels to America. Maybe we could share information on the Gray family
Chris
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May be of interest ?
HETTY MACNAY was born in 1885 in U.S.A.. She married JOHN SWIFT in Mar 1904 in Durham
Register Office, son of John Swift and Sarah Reveler. He was born in 1879 in Sherburn Hill,
Durham. He died in Dec 1936 in Durham, England.
John Swift and Hetty Macnay had the following child:MADGE SWIFT was born in Jun 1913. She married WILLIAM DAVID HUME on 18 Jun 1934 in St Luke's Church, Ushaw Moor, Durham. He was born in Mar 1907.
graham
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Thank you Graham, I knew about Hetty marrying John Swift but I didn't have daughter Madge etc. Did they have children I wonder !
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Maybe there were children - I will investigate.
John Swift was my great grand uncle.
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One thing perplexes me a bit;
William Macnay died in 1882. At some point after this Alice and William together with the daughters of Alice, Florence Macnay b1882 in England and Hetty Macnay born 1884
So William died 2 years before Hetty born ?
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Have we got proof of a death for William MacNay? I can't find anything definite in 1882
Hetty Brownlow is on the 1901 census in Hepworth Street, living with the Swift family
RG13; Piece: 4677; Folio: 126; Page: 39 (my great grandma , Sarah Ann Maddox (nee Gray), Alice's sister is also living in Hepworth Street)
it does say Hetty was born in the USA in 1885
Florence MacNay was born in the Lanchester Registration District in the Mar Qtr 1882, so the family left for America between 1882 and 1885 .
Do we know exactly when?
They returned in 1893
William Brownlow is on the US 1880 census in Illinois, but I can't find a marriage for Alice and William Brownlow
Chris
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Hi im looking for more information on william macnay who is my gg grandads brother...has anyone found out when and where he died...did he have children with alice...thanks
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The only two "Mr. (Thomas) Brownlow) " who were born in England, March 9, 1860
COULD be either one of two registered in the March or June Qtr. in England, one registered in Manchester and the other in Basford, Nottinghamshire. Free BMD.
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Hi im looking for more information on william macnay who is my gg grandads brother...has anyone found out when and where he died...did he have children with alice...thanks
Hi durhamgirl73
William Macnay married Alice Gray Sept Qtr 1877 Lanchester
They had a daughter, Florence born March Qtr 1882
There was possibly another daughter, Hetty Macnay born 1885 in the USA
I can't find a death for William
Which one of his brothers was your ancestor?
Chris
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There is a tree on A...try has a death for William Macnay in 1882, but that William was aged 56 when he died, much too old
Chris
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Which one of his brothers was your ancestor?
Chris
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hi William Macnay's younger brother Joseph Macnay is my gg grandad
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As I can't find a death for William MacNay or a marriage for Alice and William Brownlow, I am thinking that William died in Montana and Alice remarried there
Chris
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Are there any records of them going to america?
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No records going out as far as I can see, but records for their return
Wm Brownlow aged 39
Alice Brownlow aged 37
Florence Brownlow aged 11
Hattie Brownlow aged 9
Sarah Brownlow aged 7
Returning from New York to Liverpool 28 October 1893 on the 'Etruria'
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Nearly 3 years later and i have returned still looking for William Macnay. Maybe more information will help
New information since:
- Hetty Macnay birthplace USA American Resident born c1885
- In 1911 William Brownlow and Alice have been married 24 years (c1887)
- William Macnay died 1884-1887?
- William Macnay 1882 Illinois Northern District Naturalizations 1850-1950?
location Illinois
Are there any new records showing the Macnays travelling to North America?
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Ive just noticed that there is a tree with probate for a William Macknay 1857-1882. Is it possible to get more details?
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Ive just noticed that there is a tree with probate for a William Macknay 1857-1882. Is it possible to get more details?
This tree is private so you will have to contact the owner to see if they are willing to share the information with you
I checked the GRO death index but the only William Macnay entry for 1882 was aged 56 so too old
Chris
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V2PJ-RSG
Update : marriage for Alice Macnay (nee Gray) and William Brownlow
2 April 1887 Illinois USA
I'm still trying to find death record for William Macnay :-\