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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: hollings13 on Saturday 29 September 12 09:46 BST (UK)
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I need help trying to find birth/baptism records for Robert Orchard believed to have been born/baptised Dunster/Luxborough Somerset 1733. I have a death transcription which gives his birth/baptism as 1733 and his death date as Dec 1824 (which would make him 91!) but doesn't say when in 1733 he was born/baptised or where. I am desperately trying to trace back from Robert but can't seem to find any records detailing who his parents were. I know he married Mary Baker in 1764 at Dunster's St George Church and that they had seven children. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have looked through every genealogy website and it's records that I can think of !!
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Hi,
Robert ORCHARD was buried at Blessed Virgin Mary, Luxborough, Somerset on December 12th, 1824, aged 91.
Victor
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Hi Victor,
Thank you for the information, that takes me a step closer to finding out more about the Orchard's!
Val
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I know you are trying to go backwards ... not forward. But of your many children of Robert & Mary ... one would be a James, who married an Elizabeth Court .. and I believe lived at Wootton Courtenay in Somerset. James and Elizabeth had more than one son or dau .. that came to Canada. My great grand mother was a Mary Orchard that married and lived in Brooke township Lambton County Ontario Canada. Mary had a brother George Orchard ... who ran a drug store in Strathroy (Middlesex County) Ontario.
I believe at least some of these came first to New Brunswick in the Eastern Provinces .. then Ontario ..... and from there some went west to Manitoba. I live near Strathroy.
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Thank you for the info. I will look to incorporating that into the family tree and see what happens! All information gratefully received!
Many thanks
Val
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Hi Ken,
Just had a look at the family tree, James is from a different branch of the Orchards, his parents were Thomas and Sarah not Robert and Mary, but I will keep looking.....
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I am very sorry ... I was not carefull enough in what I put in my first message. To start with I am not quoting my own work .. but rather another (rellie) an Orchard researcher here in Ontario. In going back to this researchers old letters (dated 1983) ... I see that he searched my (and his) Orchard line back to Robert Orchard and Mary Baker who married at Dunster 2 Sept 1764 .. and went on to have children ... Ann 1766 / Ann 1768 / Mary 1770 / John 1771 / William 1774 / Joan 1777 / Grace / Robert 1780 ... (and ..if I am understanding his work .. then all baprised Taunton?) Now he goes to their son William (1774) ... stating he married an Ann ... and one of their sons was a James (quote: James son of William and Ann Orchard baptised 6 April 1806, Selworthy Somerset) ... James went on to marry Elizabeth Court at Wootton Courtenay 8 May 1831 .... and it is different sons & dau's of them that came to Canada .. one being: George baptised April 1834 (Somerset, Eng) .. died at Strathroy Ontario. Sooooo in my first message .. I am missing one generation (that of William) ... I hope I am finally correct with this. It would seem that the Ontario Orchard researcher that I am quoting was trying to do it the right way .. he was using a pro. researcher in Somerset .. and getting answers from the Somerset record office etc.
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... allow me to scratch my head a bit, on this one. Is it possible that Robert Orchard born about 1733, was not born in Somerset. You have likely already done this .. but .. if you go to familysearch and look for any Robert Orchard (baptised 1732 - 1734) you find "Robert Orchard christened 17 Apr 1734 at Broadwinsor, Dorset .. parents William and Elizabeth Orchard"
A google search (google maps) does not find a Broadwinsor .. but there is a 'BROADWINDSOR in Dorset' ... which good chance that is what the record on familysearch is meaning. If I am reading the map right, then Broadwindsor would be about 30 km (about 18 miles) south east of Taunton in Somerset.
I just throw this in as a possibility.
Also interesting that the site .. nationarchives.gov.uk .. in their index of pre 1858 wills .. has 'Robert Orchard of Broadwinsor Dorset 22 Sept 1660'
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Hi Ken,
Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the info. I did see the Robert Orchard born Broadwindsor and as there is nothing even remotely close date wise in Somerset it could well be that this is the Robert that has been eluding me! On most of the genealogy sites it comes up as a "five star" match so could well be that the family lived in that area - Broadwindsor and Dunster are not that far away and I do know that most of the family did move from the Somerset area! I did get an email from an on-line Parish Clerk who gave me the same information and thought that it could be that in later transcriptions Robert has just been "guessed" at having been born in Dunster. Have now put these details in my family tree for now and will see if I can get any cross references etc.
Once again many thanks for your help, happy researching - I am thoroughly enjoying myself!!
PS - All the information you gave me regarding James and Ontario was indeed correct - so many apologies for doubting your information!!
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I have Orchards in my family line - from Ashbury in Berkshire. Just recently, I have discovered that, although this ancestor (Abraham Orchard) settled in this village from the early nineteenth century, he was from a travelling/ gypsy family. His brother, Edward, chose to continue travelling throughout Somerset, Devon and Dorset, according to Census records. I have been having great difficulty in tracing back from Abraham; even though I think that I have the names of his parents, I haven't been able to find their origins - no doubt because of their "here one day, gone tomorrow" lifestyle. Your Orchards may not fall into this category; but it may explain why you are finding it hard to track them down. So you may need to consider looking in a wide area for references.
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I too have Orchards in my family who may be related to yours, I have Thomas Orchard 1690-1759 Married to Joan Blackford 1690-1765, their son Thomas Orchard 1710-1782 married to Mary Sully 1719-1790 and their daughter Jane Orchard 1748-1826 who married Robert Simoms 1747-1795, they were from Luxborough and Jane ended up in Crowcombe.
Susie :)
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Thanks for your reply. I'll go through all my refs to Orchards and see if I can find a link. Anne
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I'm descended from the New Brunswick, Canada Orchard family. I'm trying to trace BACK. Also does anyone know WHO came with Robert Orchard to Canada, how and when did they get there ? I'm descended from Robert's son John and Mary Caroline Bennison. Their daughter Iva Myrtle Orchard was my Great Grandmother. She married Orland Stanley Dykeman. Photo is of my GGM and my GM.
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I too have an Orchard on the family tree - Elizabeth Nelson Orchard born 1862, Poole, Dorset, daughter of Joseph Markham Orchard. Information from marriage certificate. If anyone has any other information about this lady - particularly the identity of her mother I would be delighted to hear from them.
Thank you, in advance, for any help you can give me.
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About ten years ago I was trying to figure out the parentage of Robert Orchard, buried 1824 in Luxborough. I made the following notes at that time: "Luxborough (Somerset, England) parish records show a burial on December 12, 1824 of Robert Orchard, aged 91. If this is for "our" Robert, then he was born about 1733. The burial information is from a copy of the original handwritten baptismal register. What was the source of the age of 91? Did the minister have a baptismal record? Did the survivors tell the minister? Why was a man who married and baptized his children in Dunster and paid taxes for almost 20 years in Dunster buried in Luxborough? There was a Robert baptized in Withycombe in 1743 to Francis and Joan Orchard. There was also a Robert baptized in Luxborough in 1722 to Thomas and Joan (Blackford) Orchard. There is no "fact" that would tie either of the 1722 or 1743 Robert's to the Robert who married Mary Baker except the circumstantial evidence that 1743 is exactly 21 years before the 1764 marriage and Withycombe is a little closer to Dunster than to Luxborough." I have some more information on Robert, but my "bottom line" is that I and other researchers were not able to identify Robert's parents with any certainty. Bill A.
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I'm descended from the New Brunswick, Canada Orchard family. I'm trying to trace BACK. Also does anyone know WHO came with Robert Orchard to Canada, how and when did they get there ? I'm descended from Robert's son John and Mary Caroline Bennison. Their daughter Iva Myrtle Orchard was my Great Grandmother. She married Orland Stanley Dykeman. Photo is of my GGM and my GM.
Robert Orchard was my 4 x Great Uncle and I too am trying to trace back from him. I know he arrived in Canada in 1829 but how he got there and who with I am still working on. I have my dates for him and his family from when they arrived in Canada from an excerpt of E. Stone Wiggins book "History of Queens County" If I find anything I will let you know.