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Patrick Lannan c1760 married Catherine Maher I think in Wexford and moved to Kilkenny, Any info on Lannan families appreciated. I have found Martin and Michael c1790's in Swiftsheath, Martin's descendants came to australia, Michael's went to USA.
Also looking for Martin Farrell c 1790's.
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Some Lannan (Kilkenny)names;
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1831 Tithe Defaulters;
David-Darby-Pat-Matthew-Edward-Mary-John-Michael
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Irish Prison Records (Kilkenny Jail)
Thomas; 1892
Michael; 1892
Robert; 1892
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Shearmans Directory Kilkenny 1839;
James-Denis
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Irish Petty Sessions; Kilkenny
Thomas; 1858
John; 1876
Michael; 1892
James; 1871
Edward; 1854
Patrick; 1882
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Deaths;
Mary Lannan; 15/4/1789 (mtr of Mary Lannan)
John Lannan; (wife Mary-nee Russell) 2/2/1760
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Bassetts Directory 1884;
Edward; 1884 Balyraggett
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Slaters Directory 1881;
Thomas-Thomastown
Peter- ditto
Patrick-Graiguenamanagh
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Headstones Thomastown graveyard;
Anne Lannon (nee Beck) Dangan Tce
8/1/2001 (32)
Terry Lannon; (mtr of Anne)
27/9/2003 (74)
(names mentioned with rememberence- John & Ciara; Gemma; Jim)
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Patrick Lannon; Station rd
19/3/1985 (60)
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Jack
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:) Thanks for that seanmac! Now to find links between them. More info I already have:
Patrick snr Lannan 1760 married to Catherine Maher. No siblings for either of them
sons 1) Martin Lannan c1790 married to Anastasia Griffen
son Patrick Lannan 1823 married to Bridget Farrell 1825 , Swiftsheath, Kilkenny, emigrated to Australia c1850
I have no siblings for either Patrick or Bridget, but have their 11 children!
2)Michael Lannan c1794 (b. New Ross, Wexford) married to Bridget Brenan,(b. New Ross), both lived Swiftsheath, emigrated to Canada and to USA. At least 6 children.. I have their descendants!
They were RCatholic, and other info suggests Patrick may have left Ireland as an IRA suspect.
From your list 1831 Tithe Defaulters, is it possible that any are siblings or cousins? i have come across a couple of the names before but couldn't find concrete info to link them (Pat/Edward/John)
Is John Lannan d. 1760 Pat snr's father and Mary the mother.?
My other trail is Bridget Farrell's family, father Martin Farrell b.1790 Swiftsheath? mother Anastasia Breen born either Swiftsheath or Carlow. Martin lived and died c 1801 in the same place, was a renowned bonesetter and horseman.
I believe the name Butler is also connected, but no idea how. Have also been told Lannan is derived from Leonard.
This is starting to drive me crazy!!
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My Winifred Lannan/Lannen/Lellan, emigrated to NSW Australia prior to her marriage in 1856 to Thomas Faull. Her parents were Peter Lannen, a butcher, and Johanna Walsh. I cannot find her baptism in Kilkenny, or a marriage for Peter and Johanna. Any information very welcome.
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Ozranga,
I will see what I can find out about Winifred and Peter Lannan. I have come across them before but have not made any connection yet. The Lannans seem to have been in a number of towns in Kilkenny, I am still searching for connects. I have a family tree on Ancestry.com so will look there for you.
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Headstone inscriptions at Donoughmore graveyard near Ballyragget. Mary LANNON Knockroe Jenkinstown died 16th june 1936 aged 76. Her husband Edward died 28th feb 1942 aged 82. and on a second headstone Edward LENNON Knockroe who died 29th oct 1944 aged 74 and his wife Mary LENNON died 16th mar 1947 aged 78. and on a third which reads " erected by Bridget LANNON in loving memory of her husband Edward LANNON who died 16th nov 1927 aged 54 also her son Christy LANNON who died on 17th july 1912 aged one year 3 months. Bridget LANNON died 7th sept 1970 aged 88 yrs. Another Edward :) but Farrel this time ... Erected by Edward FARREL in memory of his mother Mary FARREL alis DOWNEY who dep Dec 18th 1803 aged 70 yrs. Also his father John FARREL who died 1803 age 76. his wife Mary FARREL alis BROPHY who died 1829 aged 61. daughter Honora FARREL died 1843 aged 26 yrs. May also be of interest BUTLER Knockroe. erected by James BUTLER Knockroe in memory of his father William BUTLER who died 1841 aged 65, his mother Margaret BUTLER alias MAHER who died Mar 1862 aged 70, his brother John died Jan 1867 aged 60. Anne BUTLER wife of John BUTLER died nov 1880 aged 70. William BUTLER died July 1921 aged 75. Wife Kate died Jan 1932 aged 82. and erected by Ellen BUTLER Knockroe in memory of husband James BUTLER who died Aug 1888 aged 65. Ellen BUTLER died Jan 1918 aged 88. Ellie died jan 1918 aged 23. William died nov 1929 aged 70. Knockroe, Swiftsheath and Jenkinstown are all close together
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Wow! thanks for that, hope some of my clan are there or connected!! I live in Australia and sometimes find it difficult to find places. 8)
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Ozranga, Have found Peter b1815 and Johanna Walsh, married in 1835, only 1 daughter Winifred 1839-1916(d. in Parkes NSW). Winifred married Thomas Faull 1833-1878 they had 10 kids. One of their daughters Elizabeth (1859-1962) married John T Crabb (1867-1924).
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Shelley,
My husband is descended from Thomas & Winifred's eldest son Thomas Henry. My brickwall is Winifred before she emigrated to NSW. If this info is from a Public Member Tree , are there any sources quoted or are the dates calculated from marriages, deaths etc.
Ozranga
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Taken from a book called "Conahy" by John Meagher page 167 there is an Obituary Notice originally in Kilkenny Journal Nov 26th 1888 for Martin Farrell Sr who died Nov 21 1888 aged 102. According to this he was a bone-setter of Clinstown near Ballyragget and a "comfortable" farmer. He is interred in Conahy. He was born St Martins Day 1786. He had a son also Martin, also two daughters Mrs William Meehan and Mrs Michael Hassett (did not give their first names). In a following article there is a "Personal War Record of Martin Farrell jnr" from Fitchburg Historical Society.
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Patrick Lannan c1760 married Catherine Maher I think in Wexford and moved to Kilkenny, Any info on Lannan families appreciated. I have found Martin and Michael c1790's in Swiftsheath, Martin's descendants came to australia, Michael's went to USA.
Also looking for Martin Farrell c 1790's.
Taken from a book called "Conahy" by John Meagher page 167 there is an Obituary Notice originally in Kilkenny Journal Nov 26th 1888 for Martin Farrell Sr who died Nov 21 1888 aged 102. According to this he was a bone-setter of Clinstown near Ballyragget and a "comfortable" farmer. He is interred in Conahy. He was born St Martins Day 1786. He had a son also Martin, also two daughters Mrs William Meehan and Mrs Michael Hassett (did not give their first names). In a following article there is a "Personal War Record of Martin Farrell jnr" from Fitchburg Historical Society.
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You say that LANNAN is derived from LEONARD. In a list of Landholdings of Kilkennys principal Catholic families, yes there is LEONARD in the midst of them. In 1641 LEONARD has 565 acres and by 1688 has nil.
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Ozranga, my sources for your info were from Census in both Ireland and Australia. I checked them after finding it on Public Member Trees while searching my Patrick Lannan, I am trying to find siblings as I know there were more children, I came across a good site, irelandxo.com (Ithink that's right) which is free and is still being updated, try that.
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Conahy, Yes, that's my Martin! I have a newspaper cutting on either My Heritage.com or Ancestry.com about his death/life. Thanks for that, I knew he had more siblings but have been unable to find them before, at least I have something to go on now. He must have been an amazing person to reach that age. :)
I have been in touch with a person who claims to have the Lannan/Butler line back to 1200, but he is not a 'sharing' type of man. He did tell me that Lannan was derived from Leonard, but I have also seen documents referring to O'Lainnan in about 1200 which is confusing.
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Conahy, Yes, that's my Martin! I have a newspaper cutting on either My Heritage.com or Ancestry.com about his death/life. Thanks for that, I knew he had more siblings but have been unable to find them before, at least I have something to go on now. He must have been an amazing person to reach that age. :)
I have been in touch with a person who claims to have the Lannan/Butler line back to 1200, but he is not a 'sharing' type of man. He did tell me that Lannan was derived from Leonard, but I have also seen documents referring to O'Lainnan in about 1200 which is confusing.
Taken from a book called "Conahy" by John Meagher page 167 there is an Obituary Notice originally in Kilkenny Journal Nov 26th 1888 for Martin Farrell Sr who died Nov 21 1888 aged 102. According to this he was a bone-setter of Clinstown near Ballyragget and a "comfortable" farmer. He is interred in Conahy. He was born St Martins Day 1786. He had a son also Martin, also two daughters Mrs William Meehan and Mrs Michael Hassett (did not give their first names). In a following article there is a "Personal War Record of Martin Farrell jnr" from Fitchburg Historical Society.
re Martin Farrell (bone-setter) who died 1888, Mrs William Meehan and Mrs Michael Hassett are his daughters. Sorry I m still learning how to add quotes and have put them in the wrong order. Clinstown is adjacent to Swiftsheath. Was it from the headstone inscriptions that you found Martin Farrell s (bone-setter) siblings or is it the siblings of Martin junior for which you are looking?
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Donoughmore Graveyard near Ballyragget. Bridget Phelan alias Lannen died aug 1786 aged 57. another inscription Joan FARREL alias Purcell who with 5 of her children lie here. She died sept 1790 aged 90 yrs. John FARREL her husband died may 1791 aged 97yrs. another inscrip Honora Dunn alias FARRILL died june 1827 aged 56.
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Donoughmore Graveyard near Ballyragget. Bridget Phelan alias Lannen died aug 1786 aged 57. another inscription Joan FARREL alias Purcell who with 5 of her children lie here. She died sept 1790 aged 90 yrs. John FARREL her husband died may 1791 aged 97yrs. another inscrip Honora Dunn alias FARRILL died june 1827 aged 56.
This could well be part of my family,1st sons were often named after their paternal gfather and ditto for daughters being named after gma. 2nd sons & daughters were named after maternal side of the family or siblings of their parents.
I think it was Martin Farrell(O'Farrell) Snr and his wife Anastasia ?Breen(Brenan) that were born in New Ross and yes Martin was buried in Clinstown. They were land tenants in Swiftsheath and later landholders.
Patrick Lannan Snr was born in Wexford, looking all these places up on Google Earth they are not that far from each other given that Ireland is only a small country compared to Australia.
Patrick's wife Catherine Maher was born in Carlow in about 1760's, but I have nothing further on her.
I think Patrick's father may have been Edward Lannan c.1730 and given the naming traditions he was therefore not the 1st son.
I have also seen records of younger Edward's,Patrick's,Michael's, Denis and Thomas (all born roughly 1800's) in Police Gazettes and being tried for various offences. I believe they may have been IRA sympathisers as my ggpa Patrick was quite a radical when he moved to Victoria Australia according to other info I have. Interestingly when the ship carrying the Lannan family arrived in Australia it was quarantined about 500 meters from where I grew up as a child, I never knew this until recently!
Thanks for all your help and hopefully it may crack my brickwall!
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888shelleyHave you checked "Griffiths Valuation" available online? Its dated 1850 for this area. Swiftsheath was part of Coolcraheen parish at that time according to the maps (later became part of Conahy parish). There is a Martin Farrell in Swiftsheath, a tenant of Godwin Swift. Martin Farrell himself also has a subtenant listed. Patrick Lannan and Michael Lannan each have separate holdings in Swiftsheath also. I find the maps quite awkward to handle but very worthwhile if you have enough patience ;D
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888shelleyHave you checked "Griffiths Valuation" available online? Its dated 1850 for this area. Swiftsheath was part of Coolcraheen parish at that time according to the maps (later became part of Conahy parish). There is a Martin Farrell in Swiftsheath, a tenant of Godwin Swift. Martin Farrell himself also has a subtenant listed. Patrick Lannan and Michael Lannan each have separate holdings in Swiftsheath also. I find the maps quite awkward to handle but very worthwhile if you have enough patience ;D
Yes I already have that info thanks Conahy! Is there any mention of siblings for both Martin Lannan and Martin Farrell, unfortunately they both married ladies with the same name of Anastasia, one was Griffen and the other was Breen/Brenan. Also siblings of the previous generation, parents Patrick andCatherine(Maher) and Martin Farrell snr?
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888shelley parish records in Conahy parish start 1832. Have you been able to access them at an L** family history centre? Film No 0926191 but they have to be ordered in advance. Apart from these, earlier records are very scarce unfortunately. Good luck with your search. :) conahy
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888shelley parish records in Conahy parish start 1832. Have you been able to access them at an L** family history centre? Film No 0926191. Apart from these, earlier records are very scarce unfortunately. Good luck with your search. :) conahy
Thanks again for all your help and I will follow all the leads you have given. :) :) Shelley
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Donoughmore Graveyard near Ballyragget. Bridget Phelan alias Lannen died aug 1786 aged 57. another inscription Joan FARREL alias Purcell who with 5 of her children lie here. She died sept 1790 aged 90 yrs. John FARREL her husband died may 1791 aged 97yrs. another inscrip Honora Dunn alias FARRILL died june 1827 aged 56.
[/quote 888shelley Some further FARRELL info. :) Although not mentioned on headstone inscription there is a Fr John FARRELL also buried with the above John and Joan Farrel. This information taken from book titled "Donoughmore Graveyard" by Mary Butler and Brigid Murphy. Fr John Farrell was born in Ballyragget during first half of 18th century. Ordained 23rd Feb 1771 by Dr Burke. Served in Freshford, Tullaroan, Muckalee and Ballyragget. In 1798 a Lieutenant of a Regiment then stationed in Kilkenny was shot at by a noted rebel as he rode along by Webbsboro. Fr Farrell was said to have been close by. He was arrested and although entirely innocent only escaped the hangmans rope through the intercession of Bishop Lanigan with the military authorities. Fr Farrell was granted full pardon on condition that he cease his pastoral work in Muckalee. He returned to Ballyragget as curate for some years. He became enfeebled in both body and mind and died at a very great age at his house in Ballyragget Green about 1825. There is no source given but the bibliography lists "History and Antiquities of Diocese of Ossory" by Rev William Carrigan among others. . This consists of 4 volumes and is available to download online - Ballyragget parish is in vol 2. Had a quick look but couldnt find any mention of Fr Farrell there. Might be worth trying Muckalee parish aswell just in case. ..back to Donoughmore inscrips from Rev Wm Carrigans unpublished manuscripts there is "LANEN who ......A.D. 1718". Thats all he could read of the inscription over 100 years ago. :( conahy :)
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888shelley I took note of this headstone in Conahy today. Erected by Martin FARRELL of Ballycarron in memory of his beloved wife Mrs Catherine FARRELL (alias LANNAN) died 10th July 1855 aged 56 years. Also Julia FARRELL died 15th March 1852 aged 19 years. Also Joseph FARRELL died 23rd March 1852 aged 11 years. Also James FARRELL died 29th December 1858 aged 32 years. conahy :)
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888shelley I found Fr John FARRELL in vol 3 of Rev William Carrigans "History and Antiquities of Diocese of Ossory" p477. "Rev John FARRELL a native of Ballyragget was ordained Feb 23rd 1771. On his return from his studies on the continent, he served as Curate in Freshford, whence after seven years, he was collated to Muckalee Nov 20th 1783. At first he lived at Kyleathaggarth; he afterwards lived at the old church of Muckalee in a house which he himself had built there. He was deprived of the parish in 1798, after which he served for a time as curate in Ballyragget. He died very old, about 1825 and is buried with his friends in Donoughmore" Unfortunately this does not give us his relationship to those with whom he is buried :-\ "with his friends" is very vague. conahy :)
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Conahy, you are an angel!! All I have to do now is find the connection. I will start on Wednesday as I am going away for a few days....it's Friday here.
888shelley I found Fr John FARRELL in vol 3 of Rev William Carrigans "History and Antiquities of Diocese of Ossory" p477. "Rev John FARRELL a native of Ballyragget was ordained Feb 23rd 1771. On his return from his studies on the continent, he served as Curate in Freshford, whence after seven years, he was collated to Muckalee Nov 20th 1783. At first he lived at Kyleathaggarth; he afterwards lived at the old church of Muckalee in a house which he himself had built there. He was deprived of the parish in 1798, after which he served for a time as curate in Ballyragget. He died very old, about 1825 and is buried with his friends in Donoughmore" Unfortunately this does not give us his relationship to those with whom he is buried :-\ "with his friends" is very vague. conahy :)
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888shelley I took note of this headstone in Conahy today. Erected by Martin FARRELL of Ballycarron in memory of his beloved wife Mrs Catherine FARRELL (alias LANNAN) died 10th July 1855 aged 56 years. Also Julia FARRELL died 15th March 1852 aged 19 years. Also Joseph FARRELL died 23rd March 1852 aged 11 years. Also James FARRELL died 29th December 1858 aged 32 years. conahy :)
Hi 888 shelley See photo of this headstone www.historicgraves.com/conahy/kk-cona-249/grave If you hold the cursor over the headstone it magnifies the inscription. The other graves in this graveyard are also recorded. :) conahy
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http://www.from-ireland.net/church-donaghmore-ballyraggett-kilkenny-ireland/
link for graveyard where Lannan, Butler and Farrell graves are situated as listed in earlier posts
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Hi everybody - I've been reading posts on this forum with interest, and have a question:
My 2GGrandaunt was Mary Connery (b1823) from Clintstown in Kilkenny. She married William Joseph Lannan (b1830) in Conahy Parish Church on 17th October 1848. They migrated to Australia in August 1875, arriving in Adelaide on the Epanimondas.
Mary's sister, my 2GGrandmother Sarah Connery (b1821) married Patrick Maher (b1820) of Clintstown in Conahy Parish Church on 29th May 1840.
Both couples migrated to Australia and started large dynasties in NSW.
I need to trace the Connery, Lannan and Maher families' earlier history and lineage in Kilkenny.
Can anyone help me???
thanks
Steve
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http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635332#page/4/mode/1up
Entry for a Baptism
8 Oct 1832 Judy Parents Martin Farrell Cath Lannan
Sponsors John McDonnell Anna Fogarty
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0982
Link for Conahy Parish Registers
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Hello everyone. I am just now reading these posts. My ancestor was Michael Lannan that married Bridget Brenan. I am a descendant of James Lannan from Loogootee, Indiana who is descended from Michael Egan Lannan as my research shows. The last known link to Ireland is through Michael Lannan and Bridget Brenan although my research stopped there and cannot find when, how or why ancestors emigrated to the United States. I am related at some point to the aforementioned Bernie Lannan. I am very interested in putting together ancestor information for our boys. I know we come from Lannan's from New Ross, County Wexford and that there might be a gravestone somewhere there. We hope to be planning a trip to Ireland in May 2017, but would love to hear from any of you who might be able to help in the meantime. We currently live in Iowa...my grandfather was 'Thomas" Albert Lannan from Davenport. He was one of the older of 13 children of James Lannan and Sarah Jane McCracken.
Thanks, all
Kevin Lannan
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I am a descendant of martin lannan.his son was patrick lannan born 1823 in kilkenny and his son was
james lannan born in1858 at janefield victoria australia.my grandmother was his daughter .her name was ellen lannan and she was born in 1900 in northcote victoria australia.
maree murphy
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Hi Marie, I am a ggdaughter of Patrick Lannan, my father waas Joseph Lannan. I have done quite a bit of research on the familywhich I have recorded on Ancestry.com, if you would like to see my site send me your email address and I'll send you an invite. You are most welcome to copy details as I love sharing information, you may also be able to fill in some of my gaps! I am living in QLD, but lived in Vic
when I was young however only a few of the family kept in touch after my dad died (Lesley HunterLannan). Regards Shelley Lannan Clark
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Hi Shelley and Maree
my message from Feb 15 below asked about a William Lannan born Kilkenny 1830 and migrated to Adelaide in 1852 with his wife Mary Connery. They had been married in Conahy Parish Church on 17 Oct 1848.
Shelley - could you please invite me to your ancestry tree? My email is (*)
I am desperately trying to find any siblings/family of "my" William Lannan.
[the Patrick Lannan mentioned in your respective below messages do not seem to be the same person - the dates seem too far apart? I might be wrong.]
regards
Steve Burns
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Hi Shelly my email is (*)
Regards Maree Murphy
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krlannan,
Saw your post. I am the great granddaughter of James Lannan and Sarah Jane McCracken Lannan of Daviess County Indiana. (FYI) My grandmother Rose Isabel Lannan O'Neal was a sister to Thomas Albert Lannan and Samuel Perry Lannan grandfather of aforementioned Bernie Lannan. I do not have much information on Michael Lannan and Bridget Brenan, but I do have information on Sarah Jane's family and Mary Ann Brewer Lannan's family, if you are interested.
Michael Lannan and Mary Ann Brewer Norris were married in Daviess County, Indiana on 7 Aug 1859. Their children are:
William 1860-?
John 1862-1950
James 1864-1954
Thomas 1866-1959
Micheal 1868-1941
Mary Elizabeth 1871-?
Patrick 1873-before 1880
All were born in Daviess County, Indiana
Hope this helps
Rosanne Lytle
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This is an old thread, but I wonder if this is the same Lannen/Lannan family as my Grandmother's family. She spelled her maiden name Lannen. Family lore has Phillip Lannen born in New Ross, Wexford and immigrated to Detroit, MI. He was probably in some way related to a William H Lannen who I think has Canadian ties (Canada is our closest neighbor in SE Michigan). William H Lannen was a witness to Phillip's marriage. I've hit a lot of dead ends with Phillip and his parents.
My tree goes as follows.
1. Phillip Lannen, born around 1859 Ireland, possibly New Ross, Wexford. Arrived in US 1880 or 1882.
Married - Bridget Comiskey (born 1857 Ireland, died 1905) in Detroit, 1884.
Married - Ella McNulty? (born 1869 Canada?, died unknown) in Detroit, 1907
2. Joseph Lannen, born 1886 Detroit, died 1976. My great-grandfather was married with 6 kids, 1 still living. Joseph was an only child.
3. My grandmother Kathleen 1923-2004. Grandma lived in Michigan her entire life.
4. My mother - still living
All of them were Catholic.
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Patrick snr Lannan 1760 married to Catherine Maher. No siblings for either of them
sons 1) Martin Lannan c1790 married to Anastasia Griffen
son Patrick Lannan 1823 married to Bridget Farrell 1825 , Swiftsheath, Kilkenny, emigrated to Australia c1850
I have no siblings for either Patrick or Bridget, but have their 11 children!
2)Michael Lannan c1794 (b. New Ross, Wexford) married to Bridget Brenan,(b. New Ross), both lived Swiftsheath, emigrated to Canada and to USA. At least 6 children.. I have their descendants!
They were RCatholic, and other info suggests Patrick may have left Ireland as an IRA suspect.
From your list 1831 Tithe Defaulters, is it possible that any are siblings or cousins? i have come across a couple of the names before but couldn't find concrete info to link them (Pat/Edward/John)
Is John Lannan d. 1760 Pat snr's father and Mary the mother.?
My other trail is Bridget Farrell's family, father Martin Farrell b.1790 Swiftsheath? mother Anastasia Breen born either Swiftsheath or Carlow. Martin lived and died c 1801 in the same place, was a renowned bonesetter and horseman.
I believe the name Butler is also connected, but no idea how. Have also been told Lannan is derived from Leonard.""""
That caught my attention enough for register and log in. I have Phillip's father as Patrick Lannen with unknown birth (1830's or earlier) from two sources. I also have two different potential names for his mother from those same sources. Mary Morin on his death certificate, and Bridget Breen as his mother on his marriage license record.
I had an ancestry DNA match, as did my mom, so someone in Illinois with the names James (born 1843 Ireland) and Rosa Lannan (Born 1883 Missouri). I don't know where that connection is.
Family lore has a British soldier buried in their backyard somewhere, so IRA or Fenian support would not surprise me in the least.
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Yes, you are on the right track. I am not sure how Phillip fits in,possibly a cousin, I know my gfather was a wild Irish lad with very strong opinions! I am sure that the Lannan family were IRA. Will investigate further and re contact you. I have also been told of the Leonard connection by a chap who said he had researched Lannan back to 1180s.Regards Shelley
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While I'm not 100% sure it's the same family, I found a likelihood that I am tied to Lannens AND Lannans (just a spelling change) of Wexford County. Things got strange on my research however. I'm not a believer in coincidences for the most part, but I found something real strange, and almost creepy on the 6 degrees side of things.
My mom has a 4th cousin DNA match to a Flynn, who is a descendant of some Lannans (spelled "an") and Clares. The family lore I mentioned earlier is that Phillip Lannen (b1859), my mom's Great Grandfather, was born in New Ross, Wexford. Phillip's father is named Patrick.
A Richard de Clare may possibly have been an Earl of Pembrook. His son Robert Clare was born in Enniscorthy, County Wexford and married Johanna Gorman. Robert's daughter Bridget married a John Lannan, born 1826 Clare?, Ireland. John's parents were William Patrick Lannan (hmmm does he have a son named Patrick?) and Mary Powers. (estimated birth around 1800) Both were given a birthplace on this tree of Cushinstrown, Townland Mylserspark, Wexford, Ireland.
Bridget Mary Clare was born 1836 in Clare?, Ireland, and died in 1917 in Goderich, Ontario. John Lannan died 1881 in Huron County Ontario. His daughter Mary Elizabeth Lannan was born 1859 in "Caledonia Canada" and died 1935 in Cook County, Illinois. She married a James Flynn. Flynn's not a name on my tree and is the surname of this DNA match.
Clare and Wexford seem a good distance away, so I'm not 100% sure of that tree location.
I remember seeing another Clare surname family tree tied in to my mom's side of the family and took a look as it. This now may get strange. That's probably the same Clare family, put the relation as somewhere else. This Clare family tree goes back to 1862, with the town of Goderich Ontario - same as Bridget Clare (later Lannan). Robert Clare born 1902 married a Mary Watson. Mary's sister Sarah Ann Watson is my 2nd Great Grandmother - on a different Bohemian Czech side of my family. She married John Karlek. Her daughter Irene Karlek married Joseph Lannen. The name Watson was anglicized in Canada from a Bohemian Czech surname. Interesting, Mary's maiden name might have been Karlek, so there could have been a two siblings married to two siblings case. John Karlek was from Bohemia directly and as far as I know, didn't live in Canada.
Would Mr. Flynn's DNA match my moms (and mine) through the Watsons? I don't see how that would be possible (assuming it is the same Clare family). Flynn's likely common ancestor with Robert Clare would be Bridget Clare or her father also named Robert - before the Watsons married into that family. The only Clares that I know I'm related to would be the youngest Robert (born 1937) on that tree onward through his mother's Watson lineage. My Karlek/Watson DNA is Mom, her mom (Lannen), her grandmother Karlek, Sarah Watson (Canadian native), and Sarah's father John or probably Jan Watson from Bohemia.
Related on two or three family lines. :o Things just got strange. I don't believe in coincidences. I think some Catholic Irish and Czech families lived in the same area, moved to the same neighborhoods, and went to the same churches.
For those who don't know Canadian geography, Huron County Ontario is across Lake Huron from Michigan, and not far from the Blue Water Bridge. Sarah Watson was from London, Ontario before moving to Detroit, the largest city in the area and halfway between Detroit and Toronto. Canada is another country, but it's a close geographic neighbor and a fluid border.
I found a Michigan death certificate for a Patrick Lannen born 1862, died 1928. It's not Phillip's father. Parents are John Lannen and Bridget Clare - same names with one letter off in spelling as Mary Lannan's parents. That's the same spelling of my Lannen branch. The death certificate has him born in Ireland instead of Canada. Either there's another couple named John Lannen and Bridget Clare, the birthplace (either Canada or Ireland) was wrong, or Patrick at some point had his name spelled differently. I'm thinking the latter.
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I have yet to find an 1859ish birth record of Phillip in Ireland. I know there's at least one Phillip Lannan in Wexford. One from Old Ross married to Ann Power was born a generation before 1868 (Martin Lannan) and my guess would be a cousin or uncle. My ancestor was married twice, both in Michigan, to Bridget Comisky (my grandmother's grandmother) and later after widowed Ella McNulty from Canada.
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Hi, hope my info was of use to you. There are many different ways of spelling Lannan /Lennon, I am an "an", I agree that researchin Irish relatives is hard work, mainly because all records held in Dublin were Idestroyed by fire, so most will come from other sources such as parish records, Griffith Valuation. I am in a similar situation to you, I know that most of the Lannan family from Wexford /Kilkenny /Carlow are related but having a problem working out siblings , cousins, aunts and uncles etc. Another site that may be useful to you is ireland.com, one of their researchers has taken photos of old gravestones and I have picked up a bit from there.
Clare is quite a way from Kilkenny etc, but remember it is not a very large island, also that many people were taken from the north to work on farms in the south (I cant think of the name that was given to these forced moves atm).
Another thing to remember is that the traditional naming of children was that they were named after grandparents, then parents, which is why there are so many similar names in a family!
I have most of my Lannan family on Ancestry.com, my ggpa came to Australia from Ireland, his brother went to Canada which is where most of the USA /Canada Lannan family comes from. From what I know of my ggpa he was a strong supporter of the IRA, and I suspect that the family migrated to other countries to avoid the law! Many of them were listed in police records but haven't followed that up yet. If you would like to see my site on Ancestry.com, send me your email address and I'll send you an invite. I'mvery happy to share information, there is one chap I have had contact with who claims he has traced Lannan back to the 1100's, but won't share, grrr! Keep in touch!
Regards, Shelley Lannan Clark
Just had another thought, have you been in touch with Bernie Lannan, he is in the USA and has quite a bit of info about Lannan family there.
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You may like to read what records were in fact lost to the fire in Dublin,
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html
and what wasn't lost.
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The IRA was created in 1919 so any rebel prior to this date will have belonged to some other rebel group.
IRA pension records are gradually coming online here
http://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/military-service-pensions-collection
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Well, I found the connection between those trees. My Lannens were once Lannans. The William Patrick Lannan and Mary Powers on the Flynn tree are probably my 4th great grandparents.
I think the John Lannan on that tree was the brother of the Patrick Lannan (or Lannen - not sure when spelling changed) on my tree. I found a Patrick Lannan born in Old Ross, Wexford 3-23-1813, much earlier than I would expect. Phillip Lannen (maybe originally Lannan), who was from New Ross according to family lore, claimed to be born in 1859, so I was looking for 1820-1830's era births instead. Patrick's parents on his 1813 baptism record were William Lannan and Mary "Pawar." I still haven't seen a birth record for Phillip, only a death, marriage (both in Michigan), and a citizenship paper that showed he was an Irish immigrant who probably came over around 1880 or 1882.
My guess with Patrick Lannan being around 45 years older than Philip is that he was married at least twice and that Philip was the youngest. I still haven't found a confirmation on who Philip's mother was. I've seen the names Bridget Breen (which would make tracing difficult since I'm related to some Breens from County Kerry on my mom's paternal line as well) and Mary Morin both mentioned.
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This may be of interest to 888shelley.
From book "Ossory Laois and Leinster" Vol 1
chapter "The 1821 census returns in the Carrigan Manuscripts" by Fearghus O Fearghail.
Donaghmore Parish
Ballyragget
Farrell Rev. John, 80 P.P. Muckalee, superannuated
Catherine Hanlon (Hally) sister (niece),50;
John Hanlon (Hally), nephew, 26
Ellen Purcell niece 6
Mary Keenan, servant, 15
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Thanks to all above for the input, anyone managed to find the link between the Wexford , Old Rossand Kilkenny family members? Still battling through this,
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Hi Just been reading this thread as i am doing a friends family tree and came across a Dennis Lannon who married Bridget ??? He was born in 1831 and somewhere between 1853 and 1859 moved to Newcastle under Lyme Staffs. I have no idea who his parents were or Bridgets maiden name ..any advice please x
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Hi, I just came across an old map of Wexford, County of Kilkenny in my mother's things. Her name was Donna Lannan, and she wrote that her great, great grandparents were William Lannan (Lannen) born 1790 in Cushinstown, Wexford who married Mary Power, born in 1795. She marked the map with an "X" where they lived.
My mother grew up in Ashfield Township, Ontario, Canada, where her father William Lannan and mother Catherine Martin had immigrated to from Ireland.
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Welcome to Rootschat cparker30.
County Kilkenny and County Wexford are two different counties. There is no Wexford in County Kilkenny as far as I know. But the two counties share a border.
http://www.mapofireland.info/irish-counties/
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Hi, I just came across an old map of Wexford, County of Kilkenny in my mother's things. Her name was Donna Lannan, and she wrote that her great, great grandparents were William Lannan (Lannen) born 1790 in Cushinstown, Wexford who married Mary Power, born in 1795. She marked the map with an "X" where they lived.
My mother grew up in Ashfield Township, Ontario, Canada, where her father William Lannan and mother Catherine Martin had immigrated to from Ireland.
I think we're 6th cousins (or is it 3rd cousin 6 times removed? I never figured out how that worked). William Lannan and Mary Power are probably my 4th Great Grandparents. (unless different people had that same name in that time period - which I have seen).
Was the William Lannan a 1st cousin of Phillip Lannen (spelling changed - born 1859) by any chance? The witness at Phillip Lannen's wedding was a William H Lannen who was Canadian born and lived in Detroit?
My 2nd Great Grandfather is Phillip Lannen who was born in Wexford and settled in Detroit. (There's another Phillip Lannen/Lannan close in age that stayed in Ireland - probably related, but not the same person) I couldn't find any Irish records for him. He probably had a sister named Hannah born around 1851 whom never married and settled in Detroit. Their dad was named Patrick and I've seen too different possible names for their mother. Mary Morin or Bridget Breen. I'm not sure which (if either) is correct, so I have a dead end there. My mom ancestry DNA matched a few Lannans and I was able to trace them back to William Lannan and Mary Power. I then found Patrick Lannan's Baptism record on ancestry. He was much older than I expected (born 1813 - 46 years before Phillip) but listed William Lannan and Mary Power as parents and I'm guessing they were born in the late 1700s.
Based on an ancestry DNA tree that matched mom, I think William had a brother (less likely cousin) named Michael who married a Bridget Brenan (Same ones that Shelley referenced at the beginning of this thread) and they had a daughter Margaret Farrell who went to Indiana.