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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: nesstaylor on Sunday 30 September 12 05:20 BST (UK)
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Looking for parents/family of Henry Roland BLACKWELL, born 27 May 1921 in Winton Queensland. Married Dorothy Kelly (most possibly in Queensland, I have not been able to find a marriage record in Victoria or New South Wales). They were still in Queensland around the 1940s and then moved to Victoria. I do not have a birth certificate as the Queensland historical records seem to only go up to 1914? (I can't remember exactly). Any help or assistance is appreciated
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Hi there,
When did your person of interest die? When did his wife die?
Adding
RChat thread that may help
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368728.0.html
Cheers, JM
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You are seeking records of a person who may be living. This is not permitted on rootschat.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php#living
As you have found you cannot access birth records post 1914 in Queensland or marriage records post 1937.
Do you know if either he or his wife are still alive?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi JM
He is not living. Unsure exactly, it may have been about around 8 years ago. His wife may have died in the 1980s. We don't have much information, that is the best I can give you at the moment.
Thanks
Ness
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CandO
Please do not assume that someone is breaking roots chat rules. I use this site often. Please ask a question instead of assuming.
Thank you
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Hi there,
I doubt either of us were assuming you or any other RChatter were breaking rules, BUT the thread I have just added to my earlier post quite clearly states
"If you are providing details of someone we are likely to suspect may still be living, but you know is deceased, please state this."
The Aussie Moderator prepared that thread.
Cheers, JM (red warning light not working for me at the moment)
CandO
Please do not assume that someone is breaking roots chat rules. I use this site often. Please ask a question instead of assuming.
Thank you
Adding, we both asked questions of you in our initial posts.
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Are you able to help me with my enquiry??????
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Are you able to help me with my enquiry??????
Where have you already looked for confirming information that they are both deceased?
Cheers, JM
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CandO
Please do not assume that someone is breaking roots chat rules. I use this site often. Please ask a question instead of assuming.
Thank you
You are seeking records of a person who may be living. This is not permitted on rootschat.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php#living
As you have found you cannot access birth records post 1914 in Queensland or marriage records post 1937.
Do you know if either he or his wife are still alive?
I can't see where I have assumed anything and I did ask a question?
In 1942 Dorothy was enrolled to vote with an address at Preston, Victoria while Henry was serving in WW2
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=876400
In 1963 they are enrolled to vote at the same address in Oakleigh, Vic.
They were both cremated
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/page-o7154553-en.html
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/page-o7299082-en.html
Cando
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My enquiry is in regards to Henry Roland BLACKWELL's parents. He has passed away because my partner went to his funeral!
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Well found Cando.
Perhaps the OP could contact the Crematorium and ask for the name of the funeral director/s arranging those two services. Then perhaps the OP could contact the funeral director/s and ask for their own details to be passed onto the family member who made the arrangements. That family member could then decide what information (if any) they wished to share with the OP.
Cheers, JM
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The family does not have anymore info that what I have given you. Due to Henry Roland's remarriage etc. the direct children of Henry Roland did not get a death certificate. Also when we asked Henry Roland about family info when he was alive, he replied with - the family tree starts with me. That is why we do not have much information in regards to his birth and going further back into his family history.
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Yes and I have posted details of his cremation record at Springvale Botanical Cemetery.
Reply#8
They were both cremated
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/page-o7154553-en.html
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/page-o7299082-en.html
Cando
In Victoria death records are restricted from public access for 10 years. His parents details should be on his death certificate.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08jt/
Cando
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the direct children of Henry Roland did not get a death certificate. .
If they were named on the dc, then they were eligible to apply for the dc even in the first ten years . I notice that more than ten years have expired since the cremation.
Cheers, JM
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thanks JM for the suggestion. But under the circumstances and the family disconnection with each other this path is not possible. He made his own funeral arrangements, also my partner is not happy with going down this line as Henry was pretty much forgotten about after he died by this second wife/family! I wouldn't be surprised if they threw out all the info.
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ty for the info in regards to death certificate. However after all the mess that went on when Henry passed, I don't think my partner's father would care about getting a death certificate. We are pretty much left on our own to find this info out. We are trying to find out the Blackwell family as I have a Great Grandmother who is a Blackwell and we are wondering if my partner and my Blackwells are connected.
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thanks JM for the suggestion. But under the circumstances and the family disconnection with each other this path is not possible. He made his own funeral arrangements, also my partner is not happy with going down this line as Henry was pretty much forgotten about after he died by this second wife/family! I wouldn't be surprised if they threw out all the info.
Cando kindly pointed out and provided you with a live link showing that any member of the public is entitled to access Vic dcs for deaths registered more than ten years ago. If you want to find the information as to his parentage, my own view is to start with the dc and verify the information found on it. Afterall, there is no public access to the Qld BDM records that could assist your quest.
Cheers, JM
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The informant would have been asked for Henry details when he died and surely information about his parents available from his 2nd marriage certificate would have been furnished.
Henry was born 27 May 1921 at Winton. There may be more information in his WW2 service file.
Speculative research.....
Australian Electoral Roll
1925
BLACKWELL Elizabeth Georgina Mistake Creek Housewife
BLACKWELL Leslie Roland Mistake Creek Well borer
Marriage
1917/C1072
BLACKWELL Leslie Roland
WESTON Elizabeth Georgina
This could be Leslie's birth
9877/1896
BLACKWELL Leslie R
Father William J Mother Ida L
District Sydney
Cando
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Thanks CandO for the info and links. Yes I got his birth details from the WW2 service pages.
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The Blackwell's made bores and wells up in the Winton, Bundaberg Queensland areas. That's as much info we have in regards to the Blackwells in Queensland. I have tried searching for any records in regards to their work to give us a few clues, but haven't been successful
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Thanks CandO for the info and links. Yes I got his birth details from the WW2 service pages.
His WWII service record held at the NAA has not been digitised. As you can confirm he is no longer living, you could request the records be digitised.
Cheers, JM
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Hi
This may help
George Henry Blackwell well borer
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61730138?searchTerm=george henry blackwell&searchLimits=fromyyyy=1933|||frommm|||fromdd|||toyyyy=1933|||tomm|||todd
Muss
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ANYONE can purchase a death certificate in Victoria 10 years after the event and no identification is required.
Alternatively you could purchase Dorothy Jean's 1984 death certificate. Can be purchased online $20, and immediately downloaded.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
It would note the year she was married and if it was over 60 years old and she was married in Victoria you could also purchase that. Marriage certificates are restricted for 60 years in Victoria.
Information on all certs in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
BLACKWELL Dorothy Jean
Father Hunter John Mother Ethel Jane
At South Caulfied 61 years 1984 Reg#2537
This could be her birth in SA...year of birth is close :-\
HUNTER Dorothy Jean
19 Dec 1922
Father John HUNTER Mother Ethel Jane PETTIT
At Kensington Park Nor 107A/355
Cando
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This is the link for his service in the RAAF
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=R&veteranId=876400
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thanks again for the info. Yes if I get Dorothy's death cert if should have the marriage info. I am suspecting they may have married in Queensland and probably not within the date range of information they have realised publicly. I am also relying on my partner's memory, I think I typed Kelly as her surname, we got a bit mixed up with Grandparent info. My partner does not know much about this side of the family, as you can probably guess from the info I have relayed to you.
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Thanks CandO for the info and links. Yes I got his birth details from the WW2 service pages.
His WWII service record held at the NAA has not been digitised. As you can confirm he is no longer living, you could request the records be digitised.
Cheers, JM
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/index.aspx
Live link to NAA, search as a guest. These files are usually quite informative from a family history viewpoint.
Cheers, JM
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thanks JM, looking at the pages now
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Yes that was given earlier in the thread. :)
Leslie Roland BLACKWELL's parents in Queensland on the 1909 electoral roll
Australian Electoral Roll
1909
BLACKWELL Ida Lavinia Rockwood HD
BLACKWELL William Rockwood Well borer
1919
BLACKWELL Leslie Roland Hughenden Well borer
BLACKWELL William James Hughenden Well borer
and by 1954
BLACKWELL Georgina Elizabeth 7 Adam Street, Bundeberg HD
BLACKWELL Leslie Roland 7 Adam Street, Bundeberg Gardener
Will leave it for the moment until you can confirm his parents names possibly from his death certificate or marriage cert to Dorothy Jean HUNTER ie if they married in Victoria and the date of marriage is over 60 years ago.
I am suspecting they may have married in Queensland
As you don't know and it may have been Victoria as Dorothy Jean HUNTER was born in SA...well ie if I have found her birth information.
Cheers
Cando
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CandO would they have more information on his service records than the service records I found?
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I think you need at least the dc for Henry before you can progress your quest with any confidence.
Cheers, JM
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Hi
Les Blackwell Well borer
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70360039
Muss
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Can't seem to get any results from birth, death and marriages in Victoria for their marriage. They would of been married late 1930s or in the 1940s going by the birth of my partner's father. On his service record Henry's next of kin is Dorothy.
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Les Blackwell Well borer
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70360039
wow, thanks muss, looking at the page now
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The NAA has files for at least Two chaps surnamed BLACKWELL and associated with WINTON Qld and service in WWII. Neither file has been digitised. One was born there (your chap) and the other enlisted there.
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
Bit more info.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39032319?searchTerm=
Gerry
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CandO would they have more information on his service records than the service records I found?
I think you have only found the file on their database. It has not been digitised. You can purchase either to have it digitised on the website or purchase a copy of the file to be mailed to you.
There is often interesting information in service files eg if he married during his enlistment period as the NOK is altered and therefore only the new NOK is reflected in the service summary. Sometimes there is correspondence after the war relating to service pensions etc. I have had more experience with WW1 files but the two WW2 service files I purchased for members of my family gave me a lot of interesting information eg a now deceased relative who never married requested leave to marry in the UK but the marriage didn't eventuate...even had the intended's name, address and parental details. Would love to know what happened...knowing my rellie :-X :-X
Marriage records are not available post 1942. They did not married in Victoria before that date.
My choice to start things rolling would be Dorothy Jean's death certificate. At least if the information is accurate it will give you her place of marriage. According to her age she died in 1984 she was born c1923 so would they have married in the 1930's. Her death cert would also list the names of her children and their ages at that time.
Cando
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yep I agree with JM and CandO, would be good if I could their death certs, even getting Dorothy's death cert to clarify marriage info and then going down that track to find out Henry's birth info. Also the additional information in regards to their work as borers gives my partner additonal information in regards to his heritage and family. Thanks everyone for your assistance, you've helped me get the ball rolling!
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You can purchase an image of Dorothy's cert online and immediately download
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Cando
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thanks cando, I seem to be a regular visitor to victoria's b,d and m page, lol. Thanks for the link Gerry going through the info at the moment
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Why are you searching for bdm indexes on the Vic Registry website. If you do get a result you have to pay to view the page.
Many of us have the indexes on CD and the info is the same. Why pay?
I have given you the direct link to purchase an image of certs.
Cando
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I only checked to see if a record existed. Don't have to pay for that. Only have to pay to view the results
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Hi
Mr and Mrs Les Blackwell sons Rowley and A.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/56016365?searchTerm=blackwell winton&searchLimits=
Muss
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Well found Muss :)
Hi,
Qld BDM death INDEX has
1954/C79 ….. 19 Feb 1954
Leslie Roland BLACKWELL, with father’s name as William James and mother’s as Ida Lavinia WARREN.
Queensland BDM certificates are detailed, including cause of death, where buried, and the family information includes children of the deceased. If your partner’s grandfather was a son of the deceased, I would expect to find Henry Roland Blackwell listed on that dc, along with details of his siblings.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369972.0.html
Registry of BMD Queensland
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/829.htm
• Details on ALL Certificates for Queensland
• http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Cheers, JM
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Vanessa mentions in one of previous threads that her TAYLOR ancestors were from Winton. Were these families known to each other?
Leslie Roland was on a later electoral roll with occupation gardener, living at Bundaberg.
Electoral rolls are on Ancestry.com.au and many chatters have mentioned that Ancestry is available at many public libraries.
Cando
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I have photographs of Henry Roland Blackwell and his parents. Also of his 2 sisters, Pansy & Violet. If you see this post and are still doing research and would like further information please feel free to contact me :)
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Hi Allison
I have had a break from researching. Just saw your post, yes would greatly appreciate if we could connect. I just had a look at my photos and I have a photo of the family, it would be great to have one of the children.