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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: lemirefh on Wednesday 03 October 12 04:31 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find out more info for Samuel Kilpatrick's family as well as Francis Bell's.
I have a marriage cert. for Hugh Kilpatrick of Limnaharry Township who married Mary Ann Bell of Ballylunnin Township in Ahoghill. On the cert it shows his father as Samuel Kilpatrick. Hugh's mother is Elizabeth Wilson which I found on another marriage cert in Scotland. Mary Ann's mother is ? Kennedy. They were married on 20 feb 1851 in the Presbyterian Church of Ahoghill.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you,
Blair LeMire
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Wishing you luck, to start your search there are two Bell head of homestead in Ballylummin1862 consist of two side by side homesteads. Francis has half the size of Samuels see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index
You will be able to look up if any Kilpatrick existed in 1862 in Limnaharry. You need help locating all the church records possible
Good luck, JimG
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Jim,
Thank you for taking the time to look at my request, I appreciate it!
Also, thanks for the website. I checked it out tonight and found the Bell's you mention. I also found a few other Bell's (Hugh, John, Joseph, Samuel and 3 Roberts) in the general area. Do you think it's likely they might be related since they all seemed to be near each other?
I did a search for Kirkpatrick's and Kilpatrick's but didn't find much that matches what I think I have. There were a few but the area is not quite right. This is 10 years after the only record I have of them in Ireland so maybe my family moved to a different area or possibly left Ireland?
Do you know if there are emigration records for this time period?
Man I tell you, Irish research can be tough!
You mention church records. What's the best way of searching through these?
Again, thanks for you help,
Blair LeMire
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try http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy
try PRONI
presume you have exhausted familysearch.com
I am out of my depth, so over to others to suggest possible followups to yougood luck,Jim
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PRONI holds copies of the records for Ahoghill. These records are on microfilm and are not on-line, so you either need to go in person or get someone to look them up on your behalf.
There are 3 Presbyterian churches in Ahoghill. The records for the 1st start in 1841; the 2nd’s (also known as Trinity) start in 1859 for baptisms, 1845 for marriages & the 3rds (also known as Brookside) in 1835. (Earlier records have all been lost).
You ask if there are emigration records for this period. Do you mean to Scotland (since you mention a marriage in Scotland in your first post)? If so, the answer is no. Travel from Co Antrim to Scotland or England was, and still is, a domestic journey. No records have ever been kept for that type of short journey within the same country.
If your family are listed in Griffiths and had some land, then the next set of records prior to that are the tithe applotment records. Those for Ahoghill were compiled in 1825 and again are held in PRONI (on film MIC15AA/2). Though you can buy them on a CD too from some commercial sources.
You can check for wills, post 1858, on this site:
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm
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Hi
There is a Samuel KIRKPATRICK of Limnaharry in the wills calendar complete with an image of the will. He died in 1894.
Regards
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Everyone, thanks! All your replies have been very helpful. Sounds like PRONI is the best way to continue my research. Hopefully one of these days I'll make it out to Ireland.
Thanks for the clarification on emigration. I'm starting to come up to speed on research in this area.
I did check the wills section and did find the will for the Samuel Kirkpatrick. Possibly related, maybe a brother or son? The Samuel I'm looking for died before 1870. At least that is what was recorded on his son Hugh's marriage record in Scotland.
Again thanks everyone, you leads are very helpful.
Blair
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Hi
One of my Ahoghill ancestors , Joseph Bankhead, weaver in Glenhue, married a Mary Kilpatrick sometime prior to 1844. In the Ahoghill registers you will find children Peggy Jane 1844, Mary June 1846, and Thomas 1852. I haven't found the marriage record so can't help with Mary's parents
Regards
Matt
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I'm trying to find out more info for Samuel Kilpatrick's family as well as Francis Bell's.
I have a marriage cert. for Hugh Kilpatrick of Limnaharry Township who married Mary Ann Bell of Ballylunnin Township in Ahoghill. On the cert it shows his father as Samuel Kilpatrick. Hugh's mother is Elizabeth Wilson which I found on another marriage cert in Scotland. Mary Ann's mother is ? Kennedy. They were married on 20 feb 1851 in the Presbyterian Church of Ahoghill.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you,
Blair LeMire
I don't know when these entries were posted and maybe by now you have found the answers. If you are still searching please contact me. The Bells you mentioned are my family.
Regards June (Bell)
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I don't know when these entries were posted and maybe by now you have found the answers. If you are still searching please contact me. The Bells you mentioned are my family.
Regards June (Bell)
The posting dates are shown for each post so you can see exactly when a post was made. You can also click on username and discover when a member last logged into Rootschat ;)
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Hello June, thanks for the reply after all this time. Absolutely! This family has been a brick wall for a long time. I would love to get as much info as you have on them. How is Mary Ann Bell or her father Frances related to You? Would you have any info on Mary Ann's in-laws the Kilpatricks?
Thanks again for contacting me and I hope to hear from again.
Blair LeMire
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in case of its use
Bell, John-Townland: Limnahary Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Kenedy, David-Townland: Moneydollag Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Kenedy, John-Townland: Leymore Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Kenedy, Widow Townland: Leymore Year: 1825--Ahoghill –Antrim
Kenedy, Widow Townland: Leymore Year: 1825--Ahoghill –Antrim
Kennedy, Robt.-Townland : Ahoghill Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
Kenny, James-Townland: Limnahary Year: 1825-Ahoghill -Antrim
no relevant Killpatrick /Kilpatrickfound in Ahoghill
Wilson, James-Townland: Loan Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Wilson, John-Townland: Galgorm Parks Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Wilson, Mathew-Townland: Loughmagary Year: 1825-Ahoghill –Antrim
Wilson, William-Townland: Loan Year: 1825-Ahoghill -Antrim
from Tithes Applotment Books 1823-1837
based upon the work of the
Irish Genealogy Hub’s
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast looking up original will only give half a line saying its acreage and quality, nevertheless over to you.
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Wow! Thank you! I'll go through all of this info this weekend...I have a website that I've been working on, definitely a work in progress. It's shows what I have to date. Your info will really help fill it out.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/bell/mary_ann_bell.htm
Again, thank you very much!
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Hello June, thanks for the reply after all this time. Absolutely! This family has been a brick wall for a long time. I would love to get as much info as you have on them. How is Mary Ann Bell or her father Frances related to You? Would you have any info on Mary Ann's in-laws the Kilpatricks?
Thanks again for contacting me and I hope to hear from again.
Blair LeMire
Not sure how this posting works but will try. This is my direct generation line.
1. Francis would be my 3 gt grandfather married Agnes Kennedy
2. James (son) married Agnes McNiece
3.Samuel (son) married Mary Ellen McKeown
4.Hugh (son) married Annie Love
5.John Love Bell (son) married Jean McCullie Lang
6. June Bell(me)
The family including Francis's moved from Ahoghill area to Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland where you will find them. The family of Hugh Kilpatrick who married the Mary Ann Bell is included with this group. They had seven children which six were born in Greenock. One of them William John Kilpatrick moved to New, Jersey and died sometime before 1940. I have worked on the Bells for quite a few years and so have tried to put a book together. I am on Ancestry.com where it would be easier for you to find info.
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Wow! Thank you! I'll go through all of this info this weekend...I have a website that I've been working on, definitely a work in progress. It's shows what I have to date. Your info will really help fill it out.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lemirefh/bell/mary_ann_bell.htm
Again, thank you very much!
Hi again. The William John Kilpatrick that I mentioned before was married to a Martha S. Hill. They had 10 children. Two were born Greenock and the others in New Jersey. I have them on the 1900 and 1920 US Census and also the Greenock 1891 Census. I did not do any research on the other Kilpatrick children. I will check your web site out.
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What user name should I look up to find you Bell line on ancestry?
Thanks,
Blair
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Hey June,
Was the more than 1 Francis Bell in Ahoghill? I have a few sources of a Francis, Hugh, John, Joseph, Robert & Samuel Bell in Ahoghill in 1862. The source is from Griffith's Valuation. I also have a will for a Francis Bell in Ahoghill in 1890. The will leaves all of Francis' belongings to his son, William.
Blair
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Hey June,
Was the more than 1 Francis Bell in Ahoghill? I have a few sources of a Francis, Hugh, John, Joseph, Robert & Samuel Bell in Ahoghill in 1862. The source is from Griffith's Valuation. I also have a will for a Francis Bell in Ahoghill in 1890. The will leaves all of Francis' belongings to his son, William.
Blair
Do you mean this one?
The Will of Francis Bell late of Ballylummin County Antrim Farmer who died 6 September 1889 at same place was proved at Belfast by William Bell of Ballylummin Farmer the sole Executor.
Death registration gives his age as 88 years.
Possibly this is son William-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ahoghill/Ballylummin/923899
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ahoghill/Ballylummin/115057
Probate of the Will of William Bell late of Ballylummin County Antrim Farmer who died 20 June 1917 granted at Belfast to William Agnew and Archibald Bell Farmers.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05216/4443017.pdf
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Letters of Administration (with the Will annexed) of the personal estate of Samuel Bell late of Ballylummin County Antrim Farmer who died 24 September 1883 at same place were granted at Belfast to Mary Kidd of Ballylummin (Wife of Allen Kidd) the Residuary Legatee.
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Good morning June. Yep, that's the one. I wonder if it's the same family that's found in the 1862 Griffith's Valuation? Do you think this a different family from ours?
I looked through Ancestry and Scotland people last night but was unable to locate Francis and his family in Scotland. When did they arrive in Scotland?
Also, what's your username on Ancestry? Is it a lock site?
Btw, the Bell/Kilpatrick family you mentioned earlier that left for New Jersey, that's my family line.
Thanks for all the replies.
Blair
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Evening,
The Francis Bell in the 1862 Griffiths is our line. I'm presuming the other Bells on the same page are related to Francis but I haven't spent time on researching them. There was a William Bell in Ballylummin in the 1901 and 1911 Irish Census. I'm thinking he is the one in Francis's will. Also, prior to the Griffiths there was the Tithe App. which was done around 1823. There was a William Belle in Ballylummin at that time. I'm thinking that he may be Francis's father. I'm doing a lot of presuming here but that's kinda what you do until you prove other wise.
Since Francis died in Ireland I don't know if he was ever in Scotland. I know the Kilpatricks were there around the 1860"s and a couple of the other children of Francis.
My grandfather Hugh was the first in his family to be born in Scotland 1881. He had two older brothers and 1 sister born Ireland. There was a lot of going back and forth since Scotland and Ireland is in close proximity.
I just did a quick update on Ancestry as I had deleted my tree at one time. I really don't want to put all my info on there. You can find my tree under Bell Tree or my Dad's name John Love Bell born 1912 Dumbartonshire, Scotland.
I guess you would be a cousin to me through Mary Ann Bell's line. I hope you have been able to move on with your research with the Kilparticks. I do have a ton of Bells I could add.
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Good morning June, I hope you're enjoying the weekend.
Mary Ann Bell is my 3rd great grand mother. Sure, any info you might want to share I would be happy to have.
I'm in California. My mom and her parents came out here back in the 50's from New Jersey. How long have you been in the U.S?
Yeah, no kidding. presumptions are all we have until we find proof. There's seems to be a decent amount on this family though. Good stuff! The search for the facts is definitely the fun part!
Ah, sorry, I mis-understood the previous post. So he stayed in Ireland and only a few of the kids left for Scotland. Got it.
I'll check out you tree on Ancestry this weekend. Also, anything you would like to share on the Bell's I would be happy to have. When will you be done with your book?
Talk to you later,
Blair
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Hi Blair,
I have lived in the US since 1967. I'm married and we have 5 children and 4 grand children. I have spent most of those years living here in South Dakota. After this last winter I think we will make plans for heading south to winter. Our oldest son lives in Modesto, Calif. I have only one sibling, my sister who still lives in Greenock and her family.
I have been working on my Bell book for... I can't remember how many years. So, I have no idea when I will finish. I spend a lot of time researching other peoples families. Mainly because I get bored of doing mine. I checked what info I have on Ancestry and it looks like I had deleted lots of my Bells. If you give me some time I will quick put them back on. I did reenter what I had on the Kilpatricks.
Have a good week :)
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Hey June,
Interesting, what area of South Dakota? My grandmother on my father's side grew up in Spencer, NE. Swedish farmers...They used to visit a lake in South Dakota a lot by the name escapes me right now.
Modesto? wow! small world! I live in Tracy, Ca which is about 30 minutes West of Modesto...
For me, I'm married and have a son, 14 years old. I work at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Yeah, I actually stooped researching after hitting brick wall after brick wall. The Kilpatrick's and Bell's being a couple of them. Got frustrated and learned to playing guitar instead! Every so often though the obsession kicks in again when I find new info. The research is he best part. Also, stumbling across photos is fantastic. Speaking of, would you have any old photos you could share?
Sure, any info you would update on Ancestry would be great. Since talking with you I've been working on my tree again.
Have a nice weekend and stay warm!
Blair
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Oh, I forgot, I don't have my notes in front of me right now but during my research of the Bell's a few years back someone had mentioned that the Bell's were Protestants and that they had some document or newspaper clipping about Francis Bell preaching about the politics of the time. Have you heard any stories like this?
Thanks!
Blair