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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: sharkey on Saturday 06 October 12 08:40 BST (UK)
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Hi
My great grandmother Jane Hartley, native place Blackburn, 22 year old Catholic House Maid, was convicted in Preston Quarter Session 1843 and transported to Tasmania. Had a previous conviction in about 1837 (aged 16). Mother Ellen, sisters Isabella, Mary and Margaret. Brothers William and John. I cannot locate her family on 1841 census and have no other information, I am hoping there might be something in the newspapers of the day. Can anyone help please.
regards
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This may be of interest to you.
New South Wales and Tasmania Convict Musters has reference to Jane Hartley from Lancashire transported on 'Woodbridge' 1843 for 10 years.
In the margin on right hand side says married to Chas Nolan.
Australian Marriage Index has a marriage between Charles James Nolan and Jane Hartley in Victoria 1854
Australian Death Index has a death for a Jane Nolan aged 59. Death registered in Collingwood Victoria 1885. Father Hartley, mother Mary
John
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A bit more.
Australia Birth Index
Louira Jane Nolan d of Charles James and Jane Collingwood Victoria 1861
Thomas Hopton Nolan s of Charles James & Jane Collingwood Victoria 1857
Louisa Dalley Nolan d of Charles James & Jane Fitzroy Victoria 1865
John
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All I can find in the newspapers is the report about Jane's first crime in 1837
Preston Chronicle Saturday October 21st 1837
Preston October Sessions
Jane Hartley 16, in August last, stole one gown the property of John Hadfield.
Imprisoned in the House of Correction for 2 months
Cheers
Erika :)
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there is this on the national archive being hold at the lancashire office Bill of costs of prosecution of Jane Hartley QSP/3188/92 c1843
jane hartley larceny before convicted for a felony 4th jan 1943
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Hi John and others
Jane Hartley,Woodbridge permission to marry Charles Beeson January 1846 Tasmania. Marriage not located but Jane was Catholic and marriage may not have been registered. First child Mary born June 1846 followed by Emily, Ellen Jessie, Kate, Charles, Mary Jane and finally Thomas in 1860. Mother clearly stated as Jane Hartley. Jane died 1898 in Lilydale Tasmania.
I have to discount the Nolan connection but I am happy to discuss it.
Thanks so much for the Preston Chronicle reference.
Would the Bill of costs give me any more info and, if so, how do I get a copy please.
Kind regards
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Hi again John
I had a look at the Muster and I think that it might actually say married Charles Buson but I could be wrong.
regards
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Hi,
how do you know what her familys names were?
feeline190
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Hi,
how do you know what her familys names were?
feeline190
They are listed under relations - the records can be found online at the Tasmanian Archives. I have a feeling that they were living either North Preston or Near Preston :-\. Abbreviated as NP. It reads:
M Ellen at N P 2 B Wm and John , 3 S Isabella, Mary and Margt.
Charged with stealing clothes property of Catherine Robinzon? (probably Robinson) at Preston once before for same 2 Sent? 2 months and one month for being disorderly.
So she may be found in Preston on the 1841.
Mo
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This may be a complete red herring - but - given the Preston/Catholic connection - the 1820 Catholic Census of Preston [taken by the Parish Priest of St Wilfrid's Church] has the following:
13, King Street
John Hartley
Ellen Hartley
Richard Hartley aged 5
William Hartley aged 3
Mary Ann Hartley aged 1
jds1949
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Hi,
I have found the report for her trial in 1843. She had been lodging with a Catherine Robinson in Walton le Dale for about 5 weeks. She stole a silk shawl, silk handkerchief and an apron. She was later aprehended in Blackburn with a pawn ticket in her possession. This was taken to the pawn shop and the apron recovered.
If you would like a copy of the report send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will forward it to you.
Mo
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mosiefish. Hi, my name is jimmy. (call sign jimnic) I would like a copy of the report as she was my 4th grandmother. I am in Australia. thanx jimnic. (*)
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Hi Jimmy,
It is on it`s way, and if you can still modify your post, I would suggest removing your e-mail address to avoid spamming.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi sharkey. My G4times was also Jane HARTLEY. jimnic. & I am searching for her & whatever I can find. ;)
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Hi Erika. my name is jimnic. Could you please send me the report on Jane HARTLEY August 16, 1837, her first conviction. She was my G4th GrandMother.
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Hi sharkey,
I have been researching Jane Hartley too, she is my 4th Grandmother. Someone on another forum suggested looking at the baptismal registers of Roman Catholic Churches in Blackburn. There are quite a few RC churches but St. Alban’s is the only one founded early enough. The baptismal registers (copies) for the date we need are at Lancashire Record Office - 1783-1840 held by Lancashire Record Office MF 1/66a - Microfillm. I was wondering whether Microfilm copies are digital or whether someone would have to physically go there. Thanks
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Welcome to RootsChat, Emwaz.
Transcriptions of St. Alban baptism registers 1783-1893 are on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website. Also burial registers for a few years. There are some Hartley entries.
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Blackburn/Blackburn/index.html
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Funnily enough, St Albans RC Church registers are also included on the Ancestry website under 'England and Wales Non-Conformist and Non Parochial records'.
They are the actual filmed registers, from 1783 but only up to 1840 (as in Lancashire Archives).