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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Iain... on Saturday 13 October 12 18:10 BST (UK)
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Hi all ! I’ve a year-long wall concerning the above..., any help would be extremely interesting.
Concerning the Wood/Boormans family census 1841/51:
James Wood b1809, Canterbury Kent. http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/33342780/person/18942126515
Celia (Cecilia) Ann Boormans 1821-1898, Canterbury, Kent.
Married 1849.
In the 1841 census for Celia, she’s with Mary her mother, brothers and sisters; Amy, Pamela, Comfort, Silas and James. (all Boormans) If you click on the census pages, you’ll find that there’s a mysterious James Wood who’s not mentioned on the Census. This James is probably a visitor and is to become Celia’s future husband. Also, he’s lying about his age ! (25 instead of 32)
In the 1851 census and having married Celia in 1849, the census continues to indicate a family of Boormans. (obviously not their children..., visitors, “adopted,” who knows ?)
Anyway, on this 51 census there’s also a Richard Wood b1840 (11 years old) and down as a servant. (errand boy)
My problem: In reality, I’m trying to find James Wood’s Father. (my 3xGr Grandfather) Gypsies, hawkers and the like, not much is known about them before 1810. Nonetheless, this Richard Wood is obviously family and at the end of his “errand-boy” day he’d return home on foot..., to find his father who’s surely a brother of James. Lol..., it’s not that complicated !! Meaning that James’s extended family live close-by in Canterbury.
Richard’s family could eventually provide me with some info to continue the Wood-research and as I’m now skirmishing the Napoleonic Waterloo period..., and having served in the Scots Guards who participated in the battle and living not far from Waterloo in Belgium, I’d absolutely love to make a connection somewhere.
Any information would be extremely appreciated.
Thanks in advance..., Iain.
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Possible scenario.
There is a baptism in St Mary Northgate, Canterbury as follows:-
Richard Dray s/o Clara WOOD 19 July 1840
There is no mention that Clara is a single woman! ???
Prior to this in reverse order are the following Register Entries in Canterbury.
Baptisms
Edwin s/o James & Clara WOOD 29 May 1836 – St Mary Northgate
James s/o James & Clara WOOD 2 March 1834 – St Alphage
Stephen Revell s/o James & Clara WOOD 17 June 1832 – St Alphage
Marriage
James WOOD & Clara REVELL 19 October 1830 – St Alphage
Burial
Clara WOOD 15 May 1849, age 38, King Street – St Alphage
It looks possible that James Wood was married before his marriage to Celia Boorman and had to wait until his first wife died before marrying again! ??? ???
In 1841 this Richard can be found living in Staplegate, Canterbury with Clara and Richard Dray! HO107, Piece 470, Book 5, page2.
I think I am fairly safe in saying that this Richard is not related to James in any formal way.
I hope this makes sense and helps in some way. It doesn’t help you find the parents of James and I feel you will have to purchase the 1849 marriage certificate to find his father at least and move forward from there.
Best wishes,
Tony
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I think we've been through this before to a degree so if we start with what we know for sure;)
In the 1841 census for Celia, she’s with Mary her mother, brothers and sisters; Amy, Pamela, Comfort, Silas and James. (all Boormans) If you click on the census pages, you’ll find that there’s a mysterious James Wood who’s not mentioned on the Census. This James is probably a visitor and is to become Celia’s future husband. Also, he’s lying about his age ! (25 instead of 32)
Pamela, I'm pretty sure, is the daughter of James and Celia. The 1m old baby, James, may well be "Jasper" who could be a son of James and Celia too. In the 1841 census the ages of adults over 15 was quite often rounded down to the nearest 5 years so James could be anywhere between 25 and 29 if the census is correct. See the link I've posted below for a suggested baptism for James WOOD 1813. He is listed in the 1841 census as living in the same property, just a different "household" .......... probably down to the census enumerator or whoever gave the information to the enumerator.
James WOOD and Celia/Cecilia appear to have had the following children at least:
Pemily c1838 (married as Pemely Wood BOORMAN) m John FINN 1858
John c1842 (birth registered John Wood BOORMAN)
Binica 1845 (birth registered as Benneky Wood BOORMAN) married as Binaca WOOD) m John GREENLAND
Henry birth registered as Henry Wood BOORMAN 1847
William c1848
Mary Ann 1850
Ann c1852 (married as Anne WOOD)m Reuben BARTON
Amy c1855
James c1859 (married as James WOOD) m Emma GIMBER
The children were variously registered/baptised in the names of BOORMAN and/or WOOD sometimes dependant upon whether they were born before or after their parents were married.
See also http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SUSSEX-PLUS/1998-04/0892748584 which is worth considering. James son of Jasper and Ann WOOD of Knotts Lane, labourer baptised St Alphage, Canterbury 21 Feb 1813.
Casalguidi :)
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Tony, thank you very much for your help. There’s a lot of info there to be researched. To tell you the truth, I had never thought about buying a certificate..., everything having been done via Ancestry and the Internet. Please don’t laugh..., but who do I contact on-line ?
Casalguidi…, as usual, you are a wonderful help ! Thanks ! ;)
As you say, we’ve been there before but it pleases me to mention that I’m not the only one..., lol ! Probably because things just don’t tie up. You said... “Pamela, I'm pretty sure, is the daughter of James and Celia.”
But Pamela/Pemta, (unless there’s another one somewhere) in the 51 census is down as Boorman. (and not Wood)
Also, in the 1841 census, Pamela Boorman (aged 2) is down as sister to Celia Boorman. Ten years later, Mother Mary has probably died and in the meantime, Celia (now married to James and with their own children John, Bianca, Mary Ann, Henry and William) she seems to be looking after her 12-year old sister Pamela.
1841:
Mary Boorman 50
Celia Boorman 20
Amy Boorman 5
Pamela Boorman 2
Comfort Boorman 10
Silas Boorman 4
James Boorman 1 Mo
1851:
James Wood 42
Cecilia Wood 33
Pemta Boorman 12
John Boorman 8
Binaca Boorman 6
Henry Boorman 4
William Boorman 2
Mary Ann Wood 5
Richard Wood 11
As for James/Jasper Boorman..., I also had my suspicions as to the father. Lol ! But of course, this is pure speculation as Father Boorman could simply have been out hawking at some near-by fair ground.
But if we keep with what we officially see on the 41 census, all the family are Boormans and while the enumerator is taking the names, James Wood has just knocked at the front door, so-to-speak.
That Rootsweb URL looks extremely interesting especially those dates..., but once again, “Pamely” is down as a daughter when she’s in fact a sister.
As for poor old Richard..., no mention of him ! Ho hum..., back to the drawing board ! Lol !
Thanks Casalguidi and Tony…, despite my problems, your info has been a great help.
Have a nice week end..., Iain. :)
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The children were variously registered/baptised in the names of BOORMAN and/or WOOD sometimes dependant upon whether they were born before or after their parents were married.
Casalguidi..., just digested your remark ! That could be the answer to my problem !
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James son of Jasper and Ann WOOD of Knotts Lane, labourer baptised St Alphage, Canterbury 21 Feb 1813.
Casalguidi... Do you mean that Jasper and Ann are James's parents ? (James b1813 husband of Celia) ???
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1851:
James Wood 42
Cecilia Wood 33
Pemta Boorman 12
John Boorman 8
Binaca Boorman 6
Henry Boorman 4
William Boorman 2
Mary Ann Wood 5 (should read 5m = 5 months)
Richard Wood 11
All the children (excepting Richard) are down as daughter or son. The children born before the marriage of James and Cecilia are listed as BOORMAN as that was their name because their parents weren't married at the time of their births. You can see the birth registrations for some of the children at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com ie. Benneky Wood BOORMAN 1845 ;)
Also, in the 1841 census, Pamela Boorman (aged 2) is down as sister to Celia Boorman.
The 1841 census doesn't give any relationships at all ;)
But if we keep with what we officially see on the 41 census, all the family are Boormans and while the enumerator is taking the names, James Wood has just knocked at the front door, so-to-speak.
Noooooooooooo ..................... he was there alright just listed separately because he wasn't a BOORMAN ;D
Do you mean that Jasper and Ann are James's parents ? (James b1813 husband of Celia)
It's possible. The marriage certificate of James WOOD to Cecilia may be a help. Certificates may be ordered online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp but I would firstly see if anybody has access to Canterbury marriages ........... put out a new request for that specific item.
Casalguidi :)
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Casalguidi…, you are an angle ! Thanks !
You know..., like Monica for Scotland (Argyll) with over 17.000 postings, you must spend half your life on this site helping people like me. The answers you provide need research and even if it only takes 10 minutes per post that’s over a hundred days, 24/24. Congratulations..., that’s what I call passion ! ;)
Kind Regards..., Iain. :)
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Total Time Spent Online: 277 days, 9 hours and 43 minutes
Shhhhhhhsh ................. that is scarey ;D
Casalguidi :)
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Hello.
Did you ever manage to establish whether James Woods father was Jasper Wood?
Im trying to discover whether or not some Woods that ive now connected to my family are related to these Woods.
The furthest back ive got at the moment is a William Wood,chimney sweep, who died in Faversham Workhouse in 1846.He married 1st to Elizabeth Woodman 13/10/1810 Canterbury,then after her death to Eden Terry nee Page 10/06/1833 Faversham.He had 6 children by Elizabeth all baptized in Canterbury:
Elizabeth 1813
Susan 1815
John 1817
Ann 1820
Robert 1824
William on 18/06/1826.
William was also a sweep who married Eliza Hinds in Faversham.
William and Eliza had a son John,a sweep,who married my gg grandfathers 1st cousin Mary Ann Jacobs in Faversham 23/05/1875.He was born in Faversham in 1857.
Separate from these,Mary Ann Jacobs grandfather James Jacob(my 4xg grandfather),had a sister Susan who married a John Wood in Faversham 04/06/1825.The 1851 gives his birth as c1798 Whitstable.
The Robert Wood,brother of William,who i mentioned earlier and on a seperate post,was an intresting character.On 1851,hes in Gaol,his occupation is given as sweep.On the 1871,his occupation is marine store dealer.I recently had a free trial on findmypast,and discovered multiple articles through the mid 1800s about his exploits.This is an excerpt from one in the local Faversham paper dated 05/09/1848:
Commitment of a notorious character and his escape from gaol.A notorious character named Robert Wood,a sweep,was examined before the borough magistrates,on Friday last,charged with stealing a quantity of iron chain,from the coal yard of Messeurs Barnes,the property of the contractor...................
On Saturday afternoon,the prisoner contrived to effect his escape from gaol,by scaling the wall of the yard in which he was confined,and although a hot chase was given,he contrived to escape,having,it is supposed,concealed himself in Bysing Wood.Although seen by several persons,none of them had the courage to apprehend him.One of the borough magistrates,Mr C J Hilton,saw the prisoner making off,and followed him for some distance,when the latter,having gained a small shaw,was lost sight of.
The prisoner is about 5ft 5inches in height,slightly made,and squints with both eyes.He escaped without either shoe or stockings.He travels the country,buying old iron,bones etc.
I have posted separately about him,but the trail; seems to go cold for him and "wife" Harriet after 1871.
Just one other thing for now,clutching at straws a bit.The William Wood born c1817 Canterbury on the census who might be Roberts brother married a Mary Ann Godsmark in Canterbury in 1830s,forgot to write down exact date.On the 1891,living a couple of doors away from your Celia Wood is a Thomas Godsmark born 1831 Gravesend.Very tenuous,but sometimes,when your struggling you have to look at bigger picture,geography,occupations etc.
Any help on this very much appreciated.
Many thanks.