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Hi all,
not sure how to go forward with this one!
my 5Gr/parents were john mcgregor b1760-d1800 and mary fisher b1760,both born in balquhidder,i know that they married there in 1778,i would love to get further back but not sure how to go about it,a new found cousin has got this far,but, as i have found out,the more you know-the more you want,
any help would be brill,
regards mary
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mary fisher born 26/07/1756 parents patrick fisher/christian mclaren parish BALQUHIDDER city/county perth
cannot find anything for birth death of a john mcgregor
this information is on http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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hi chipking,
thanks for that, much appreciated,i'm going to phone stirling archives tomorrow to see if they have any info,
regards mary
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If you use the surname variant option on Scotlandspeople you get 11 hits for John McGregor in Balquhidder born 1740 - 1762.
You would then need to look at the 'fermtouns' on the Parish certificates to judge which Mcgregor / Fisher combination was most likely.
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This gives all the McGregors born in Balquhidder in the timeframe of interest :)
http://www.clangregor.org/macgregor/parish-balqb.htm
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hi cambron,
thank you so much,will check that out just now,
regards mary :)
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Hi folks,
I'm stuck at Balquhidder with my MCGREGORs too! My great x 3 grandfather, Hugh MCGREGOR was born there in 1802 to John MCGREGOR & Mary MCGREGOR (I believe that was also her maiden name). Hugh married Mary HOUSTON (sometimes recorded as HAUSTIN, AUSTIN) in Balquhidder abt. 1832. Three children, John, James and Robert were born in the area (Strathyre and Rusgachan) then the family moved to Argyllshire where some 9 more children followed.
I cannot sort out John & Mary MCGREGOR (Hugh's parents) as there was more than one couple of the same names at the same time in Balquhidder, who were probably related anyway as their children have more or less the same given names too. I have pretty well given up on that! Cannot find parents of a birth etc. for Mary (HOUSTON) MCGREGOR either.
Mary
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Might be something on here Mary, http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/Links.htm
Skoosh.
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Hello,
I think John could be the son of Hugh Drummond Junior and Mary McLaren of Auchtubhmore, christened in 1757. Or possibly the son of Hugh Drummond Senior and Janet McGregor, who was also born at Auchtubhmore, but in 1746. My guess is based on location, possible age, (given the age range of their children's christenings), and the names of John and Mary's children. In a large family, it's likely four of the children will be named after the grandparents.
Although the two Hughs lived in the Auchtubh area, and the Senior/Junior is in reference to the other Hugh, I don't think they were closely related. At least, I can't find a record of a link, but it is possible one is the son of the other, and the christening has been lost, or wasn't recorded. I think they were both landowners, (or related to landowners), and their land was seized by the crown after the 1745-1746 rising, because their names appear in the Statistics of Annexed Estates 1755-56, under Easter Auchtubh.
John and Mary are mentioned in John McGregor's Oral Histories, but it talks about their children, and not their parents.
Also, I have Hugh, the husband of Mary Houston, as the son of John and Janet McGregor of Easter Auchtubh, christened 1802. I can't find a record of a Hugh to a John and Mary, but John and Janet matches the census records by age, and by the name of the children, (first born son John, first born daughter Jessie).
John, (and his sons, including Hugh), signed the Acknowledgement of the Chief of Clan Gregor in 1822 as the tenant of Auchleskine.
Janet was the daughter of 1774 Robert and Margaret McLaren, born at Auchtubh in 1777. This is confirmed by census records and the death certificates of her sisters, Mary and Elizabeth, who lived with her son John at Rusgachan. Robert is mentioned in John McGregor's Oral Histories as born around 1741, the sixth generation at Middle Auchtubh, and his father was born around 1701, and died about 1778. Robert was probably the son of the same Hugh Drummond Senior and Janet McGregor I mentioned above, christened 1742.
John was probably the son of Hugh Ban Drummond and Janet McIntyre of Auchtubhmore, christened 1764. Like the two Hughs above, this Hugh is also listed in the Statistics of Annexed Estates for Easter Auchtubh.
In conclusion, it would appear there was a law restricting the people who lived at Auchtubh to those named Hugh Drummond :)
I hope this helps,
John.
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Hi John,
Thank you so much for the information.I have been stuck for some time with this side of the family, so thought I would try the Irish side,should have stuck with the McGregors.
regards Mary
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No problem Mary.
I've been collecting Balquhidder Clan Gregor data for years, trying to discover patterns in the family names and locations, to help me figure out my own tree. But they're just guesses. So please treat them as suggestions, rather than facts. If it helps, I've attached a screenshot of the Hugh families. Looking at it again, I think the father of John might be Hugh senior, rather than junior. Although Mary Fisher is closer in age to the latter, the children's names are a better fit for the former.
John.
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Wow, thanks again John.
That should keep me busy for a while.
Mary
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Thank you John - this is absolutely fascinating! Was DRUMMOND one of the names that the MCGREGORs took when their name was proscribed? And now I may have MCLAREN to add to my tree it seems. I have lots of avenues to check out now!
Mary
in Canada
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Yes. In 1714 Sir Alexander, (or Alasdair), MacGregor, (or Drummond), the 4th of Balhaldie, was elected chief of Clan Gregor. His son William succeeded him in 1743, and his grandson Alexander in 1765. They were supporters of the Stuart monarchy, and from 1739 William lived in exile with the Stuarts in Paris and Rome. So, during this period many clan families took on the name Drummond, to signify their allegiance to their chief, and to the Jacobite cause.
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Wonderful! Thanks again. Is there any way you can send me that chart in another form? I cannot seem to read it as is or even if I download it.
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As the MacGregor name was proscribed it could not be used on a legal document hence the use of Drummond, Campbell etc' the names of the great landowners on whose estates they lived.
Skoosh.
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Here is the relevant section as text [Part One];
The first family is probably the Hugh Drummond Snr. mention in the Statistics of Annexed Estates 1755-56;
1734 Heugh Drummond late McGregor married Janet McGregor [both Balquhidder parish]
1736 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor son John Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1738 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor son Duncan Easter Auchtow Balquhidder
1739 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Margaret Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1742 Ewen McGregor/Janet McGregor son Robert Wester Auchtoo Balquhidder
1746 Hugh Drummond/...Buchanan son John Auchtoomor Balquhidder
1749 Hugh Dow Drummond/...McGregor son Duncan Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1750 Hugh Drummond McGregor/...McGregor son Alexander Achtow Balquhidder
1753 Hugh Dow Drummond/...McGregor son Alexander Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1755 Hugh Drummond/...McGregor son Donald Achtow Balquhidder
There was another McGregor family living there at the time, which may be his brother;
1739 Duncan McGregor married Janet McLaren [both Balquhidder parish]
1740 Duncan McGregor/[Janet McLaren] son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1743 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLsaren daughter Janet Auchtoo Balquhidder
1746 Duncan Drummond/...McLaren daughter Christian Cuilt Balquhidder
1747 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLaren son Hugh Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1749 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLaren son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
If so, then the names of their children suggest their father's name might have been John.
The next family is probably the Hugh Drummond Jnr. mention in the Annexed Estates. He may be a son of Hugh Drummond senior, although there is no record of his christening;
1754 Hugh Drummond younger/Margaret McLaren Alexander Achtow Balquhidder (fornication)
1757 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1759 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Duncan Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1761 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Hugh Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1763 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Christian Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1764 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Patrick Achtowmore Balquhidder
Also living there was this family, who is probably the Hugh B. Drummond mentioned in the Annexed Estates, (ban means fair haired);
1755 Hugh ban Drmmond/...McIntyre Janet Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1759 Hugh Dummond/Janet McIntyre Betterage Easter Auchtow Balquhidder
1761 Hugh Drummond/Janet McIntyre Margaret Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1764 Hugh Drummond/Jannet McIntyre John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1765 Hugh Baan McGregor fornicated with McLias in Dunc Stewart's shieling in Corrarb [1763] [Robert McNie's daughter]
1769 Hugh Bane Drummond/Janet McIntyre Christian Auchtowmore Balquhidder
Amelia MacGregor publishes a testament in her History of the Clan Gregor [Page 214-215]. It was collected around 1813-1817;
"Robert MacGregor in Middle Achtow, one of the Elders of the Parish of Balquhidder, aged 74, is the sixth generation of MacGregors who have lived in Achtow. His father was born in 1701 and lived to the age of 77."
He is probably this family, and the son of Hugh Drummond Senior above;
1774 Robert McGregor married Margaret McLaren [both Balquhidder parish]
1775 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son Hugh Easter Auchtoo Balquhidder
1777 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Janet Achtowmore Balquhidder
1779 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Mary Auchlone Balquhidder
1781 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1783 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Margaret Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1785 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son James Wester Auchtan Balquhidder
1787 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Elizabeth Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1788 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son James Balquhidder
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[Part Two]
There were several Johns living there at the same time as Robert, as each of the Hughs had a son called John. Given the names of their children, (around this time a Highland tradition of naming the first born after the grandparents, then the parents, and then the siblings and friends, became very popular, as can be seen with Robert's family above), I think John, the son of Hugh senior and brother of Robert, born 1746, married Mary Fisher, the daughter of Patrick Fisher and Christian Mclaren, born 1756;
1778 John McGregor married Mary Fisher [both Balquhidder parish]
1779 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Janet Auchtoumore Balquhidder
1780 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Christian Auchtaramore Balquhidder
1782 John McGregor/Mary Fisher son Hugh Easter Auchtowhead Balquhidder
1785 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Margaret Achtoumore Balquhidder
1786 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Jean Auchlarmore Balquhidder
1789 John McGregor/Mary Fisher son Patrick Auchtumore Balquhidder
1793 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Bettridge Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1795 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Mary Achtumore Balquhidder
1797 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Kathrine Liascridan Balquhidder
1800 John McGregor [lately deceased]/Mary Fisher daughter Joanna Lidenscridan Balquhidder
John the son of Hugh junior, born 1757, is probably this family;
1790 John McGregor of Auchtumore married Janet McGregor of Ruscachan
1791 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Hugh Auchtoomore Balquhidder
1792 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Patrick Innerviach Balquhidder
1793 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Peter Inneriach Balquhidder
John the son of Hugh ban, born 1764, and Janet the daughter of Robert, born 1777, is probably this family, (based on their children's names, and for Janet the census records and her sisters' death certificates);
1798 John McGregor married Janet McGregor [clandestine marriage]
1800 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Janet Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1802 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Hugh Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1804 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son John Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1807 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Robert Middle Achtu Balquhidder
1810 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Janet Middle Achtou Balquhidder
1813 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Margaret Achtu Balquhidder
1819 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Duncan Auchleskine Balquhidder
If you're interested, I collated the records from here;
http://www.clangregor.com/parish-records/balquhidder-parish-baptisms/
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hi, I think I have gotten back to Janet b1810 2nd daughter of John and Janet McGregor in your last section , but im a wee bit confused as to who Hugh Bans parents would be, any help would be fab .
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Hi,
Janet [bap. 1810] was my ancestor's neighbour, (they lived at Cuilearn).
This is what I have for her family based on census records, death certificates, and the parish register;
1798 John + Janet [clandestine marriage]
1800 Janet Easter Achtu [died before 1810]
1802 Hugh Easter Achtu [married Mary Hustin/Austin 1832, lived in South Knapdale]
1804 John Easter Achtu [lived in Balquhidder with his mother's sisters and his children]
1807 Robert Middle Achtu
1810 Janet Middle Achtou [married John Ferguson, lived in Balquhidder]
1813 Margaret Achtu [lived in Glasgow]
1819 Duncan Auchleskine [lived with brother Hugh + Mary Hustin/Austin]
Janet's mother Janet was almost certainly the daughter of Robert and Margaret McLaren;
1774 Robert + Margaret McLaren
1775 Hugh Easter Auchtoo
1777 Janet Achtowmore [married John McGregor 1798, lived in Balquhidder]
1779 Mary Auchlone [lived in Balquhidder with her nephew]
1781 John Auchtowmore
1783 Margaret Auchtowmore
1785 James Wester Auchtan [died before 1788]
1787 Elizabeth Auchtowmore [lived in Balquhidder with her nephew]
1788 James
Her husband John might have been the son of Hugh ban and Janet McIntyre, but that was just my guess, based on the names of their children, and where they lived. There is no real evidence for it, nor evidence of who Hugh ban was. It is odd, however, that the Statistics of the Annexed Estates 1755-56 lists three Hugh McGregors all owning land in the same place, (Hugh senior, Hugh junior, and Hugh ban). I think this indicates that they were related, and their common ancestor once owned all three parts of Easter Auchtubh. Maybe junior was the son of senior, and ban was their cousins. Maybe all three were cousins. If so, and if John was the son of Hugh ban, John and Janet would have been cousins, but that wasn't so unusual back then. To add to the confusion, there was another Hugh, the younger, who had a family between 1728 and 1746. He moved from Easter Auchtubh to Kilmahog.
There is more information about Janet's father Robert in Amelia MacGregor's history of Clan Gregor. He appears to be descended from a branch of the clan which used the name Puidrac, taken from the name of the standing stone in Auchleskine. If you're interested I can post the Puidrac family information.
John.
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thanks for replying , I will take a good look at this ,it can all get quite confusing, this is my husbands family and when you get this far back ,as you say lots of it is guess work, matching children's names which conveniently they were pretty consistent with ,right down to the latest generation . I must say his mothers maiden name of Marquis was infinitely easier than the Ferguson/McGregors. .thanks again
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yes please post the other bits if its no trouble . sometimes things just fall in to place when you go back to them.
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So, in Amelia MacGregor's History of Clan Gregor, Chapter XVIII, The Death of Drummondernoch, she publishes several statements made by Robert, which were passed down through his family about the murder of John Drummond of Drummondernoch in 1589;
1813 - Robert McGregor from his father Hugh McGregor - Robert MacGregor in Middle Achtow one of the Elders of the Parish of Balquhidder aged sventy [sic] four, being solemnly sworn and examined on oath Depones that he is the sixth generation of Macgregors who have lived in Achtow. That his father was born in 1701 and lived to the age of 77...that his great grandfather by his father's side was a son of the daughter of the Lady Ardvorlich who was distracted and ran off to the hill as before mentioned, and who was sister of the Forrester so put to death.
1817 - Robert MacGregor an elder of the Parish of Balquhidder in which his Grand-Father & Great grandfather were also elders...
The fact that he gives his age, and that he has always lived in Achtow, means that this is almost certainly Janet's father Robert. It also confirms that Robert is the son of Hugh Drummond senior, and it gives Hugh's date of birth and death.
When he says he is the sixth generation of MacGregors who have lived in Achtow it got me thinking, I would expect to find his ancestors in some of the other material in Amelia's History. In particular, in the proscription after the death of Drummondernoch in 1589, because that lists all adult male members of the clan. The only entry for the area around the kirktown of Balquhidder is;
Alexander Pudrach MacGregor under the Laird of Weyme.
Amelia references this to an earlier proscription in 1586 of Allester pudrech MacGregor from Huidder under the Laird of Weyme, and she makes the connection of the alias pudrech to the Puidrac stone in Auchleskine.
So, I looked for all references of this alias, and I found the following;
1581 Allester Pudreauch McGregour
1586 Allester pudrech MacGregor (from Balquhidder 'huidder')
1588 Allester Pudrach alias MacGregour pretendit occupiar of part of the landis of Innercharney, removed from the lands.
1589 Alexander Pudrach MacGregor (from Balquhidder)
1590 Allaster Pudrach McGregor
1591 Allaster Pudrach MacGregor (from Balquhidder)
1595 Allester Makgregour alias Puddrache pretendit Tennent of Ardcaskard, removed [presumably in Fortingall Parish]
1598 Duncan McGregour, Margaret Stewart Relict of Alexander Pudrych, Duncan McGregour his sone, Allester McGregour, Malcolm McCoullcheir, Helen McGregour Relict of umqle Robert Stewart
1600 Ewne McAllaster Pudrach (the eldest brother)
1600 Duncan McAllaster quhiddrache [of Bal-quhidder] VcGregor witness (Pudrach).
1601 Duncane McAllaster pudryche, (Pudrach) umquhile Allaster pudryche his father
1602 Ewne McAllaster Pudrach
1603 Neill Makgregor pudrenois
1603 Dougall McGregour, Neill McGregour pudrach hanged
1604 Duncan Pudrache Macgregour hanged
1604 Duncane McAllester Pudriche in Achatue hanged and quartered
1649 John McEwin VcAlaster phudrach in [] sonne to Kallum McGregor in Culchra
1649 John dow McAlaster pudrach
Which I think makes this tree, (the numbers are the generation born in Balquhidder);
Alistair ~1540 d. ~ 1598 m. Margaret Stewart
|-1-Duncan ~ 1570 (hanged 1604)
|-1-Neil ~ 1570 (hanged 1603)
'-1-Ewen (the eldest brother) ~ 1570
|-2-John Dow ~ 1600
'-2-Kallum in Culchra ~ 1600
'-3-John ~ 1630
This needs to be joined to the tree from the Parish Register;
'-3-? ~ 1630
'-4-? ~ 1660
'-5-Hugh b ~ 1701, d ~ 1778
'-6-Robert bap 1742
If Robert's great-grandfather [3] was a son of the sister of John Drummond of Drummondernochabt, who was killed in 1589, then the dates don't match. Maybe the family memory is off by a generation, and he was Robert's great-great-grandfather [2].
There is also a testament dated 18/8/1687 for the deceased John McGrigor in Easter Achtow. It's difficult to read, but I think the only other bit of information in it is his wife's name, Eliz[ab]eth Leran. He could be John [3] above.
The other Hughs need to be fitted into this tree. In particular, Hugh the younger [Hugh og]. He must have been born around 1700, and his name suggests he was the son of a Hugh or Ewen born around 1660. This Hugh could have been a brother or cousin to Robert's grandfather.
John.
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I meant to add that Amelia's History also has a list of the Houses of Clan Gregor, dated to before 1598. It has Alester Pudrayt McGregour as a principal householder. So, his branch of the clan is a distinct offshoot.
John.
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Thanks very much John.
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Pudrach (powdery?) mentioned here,
http://glendiscovery.co.uk/the-wicked-clan-gregor.html
Skoosh.
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I don't think it is known what the name of the stone means. It could be Gaelic, or Pictish. Here's an article on it, with speculation about the meaning of the name, and reference to the fact that people from Balquhidder used it as an alias. It also mentions some of the MacGregors above.
http://www.thedinniestones.com/Articles%20of%20Interest/The%20Puterach%20and%20Pudrac%20Stones.pdf
John.
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Very interesting John!
Skoosh.
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Hi John,
This message thread is a few years old but I thought I might reply anyway. You mentioned Hugh McGregor and Mary Houston who married in Balquhidder. I am their 3x great granddaughter. My name, Mary traces all the way back to Mary Houston. :)
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Hi Mary,
I have discovered a little bit more since my last post.
I mentioned a tree can be constructed from Amelia's History, and one from the parish registers, but there was a gap of a few generations between them. There's a grave for the family of John McLaren of Lednascriden, which details his descent, and his wife's descent;
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/184593293/janet-maclaurin
I can't find a baptism for his wife Janet around 1747, but the only Hugh having children around then was the father of Robert and John of Auchtubh. Her descent fills in the gap between the trees, which becomes;
Alistair ~1540 d. ~ 1598 m. Margaret Stewart
|-1-Duncan ~1570 (hanged 1604)
|-1-Neil ~1570 (hanged 1603)
'-1-Ewen (the eldest brother) ~1570
|-2-John Dow ~1600
'-2-Kallum in Culchra ~1600
'-3-John ~1630
Maybe John in Easter Achtow who died 1687
Maybe John of Auchtownmore from the Maclaurin Stone
'-4-Duncan ~1660 (according to the Maclaurin Stone)
'-5-Hugh b ~1701, d ~1778 (according to Amelia)
|-6-Robert Wester Auchtoo bap 8/2/1742
|-6-John Auchtoomor bap 25/10/1746
'-6-Janet wife of John MacLaurin of Lechscridan, 1747-1797 (according to the Maclaurin Stone)
There are also two documents from around 1787, one is the election of the Clan Gregor Chief, which has;
Robert;;Achtowmore; (Perthshire);
John;;Achtowmore; (Perthshire);
John;;Achtowmore; (Perthshire);
Hugh;;Achtowmore; (Perthshire);
John;;Achtowmore; (Perthshire);
The other is a list of Clan Gregor fathers and sons by family, which has (*I've added the baptism record in brackets);
Robert in Achtowmore
James 1
(1785 Robert/Margaret McLaren James Wester Auchtan [tou?] Balquhidder)
John in Achtowmore
Hugh 1
(1782 John/Mary Fisher Hugh Easter Auchtowhead? Balquhidder)
Hugh in Achtowmore
John 1
(1764 Hugh Drummond/Jannet McIntyre John Auchtowmore Balquhidder)
They are all listed as McGregor's Family, (the other families are Dougal Keer, Brackly, and Roro). I guess by McGregor's Family they mean Puidrac.
John.
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Hello John and thank you again. You have done an awful lot of work on the McGregors!!
My goodness - I got stuck on the 'hanged' part. Is this telling me that it was my particular branch of McGregors who were responsible for the entire proscription program?
Would you have all of this fantastic information in tree form somewhere? I am struggling just a bit to grasp the (assumed) lineage of these people. Such wonderfully helpful information and I want to understand it fully.
Many thanks again! :)
Mary
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Hi Mary,
The whole clan were considered responsible for Glen Fruin, and so they were all proscribed, which gives a handy McGregor census in the declaration. Amelia MacGregor's History suggests the Puidrac family were amongst the leaders;
1603 - Neill McGregour pudrach, dilaitit of airt, [accused of causing], and pairt of the slauchter of four men that assistit the Laird of Luise, [Alexander Colquhoun of Luss], at the field of ye Lennox, [Glen Fruin]... Sentenced to be hanged on the Burrow muir.
1604 - Duncane McAllester Pudriche in Achatue, [Auchtubh, Balquhidder], was hung and quartered at the Cross of Edinburgh, together with the clan chief, Allaster MacGregor of Glenstra, and three other chieftains.
And before Glen Fruin Duncan had signed the bond to Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll, in 1601;
Duncane McAllaster pudryche, for himself and all come and to come of umquhile Allaster pudryche his father.
According to Amelia, Alexander Pudrach MacGregor was in trouble before that, proscribed for the murder of John Drummond of Drummondernoch in 1589. Elsewhere she says Robert's great grandfather by his father's side was a son of the daughter of the Lady Ardvorlich, sister of Drummond Earnach, the Forester of Glenartney. So, if the tree above is correct, Robert's great grandfather was John[3], son of Kallum[2], who was the son-in-law of the Lady Ardvorlich, and grandson of Alexander. Amelia also says the family claimed to have had nothing to do with the murder.
The family are also on the 1649 "decreit contra the McGregors and utheris" for causing "...Much disquieted and disturbed, and manie thiftes, murthers, wronges, oppressions, burnings and depredations have been done and committed by the rebellious insolencies, outbreakings, ryseing in armes and wicked practises of Highlanders, Islesmen and uther disaffected persones...";
John McEwin VcAlaster phudrach in [] sonne to Kallum McGregor in Culchra.
John dow McAlaster pudrach in [].
In terms of a tree, following on from what I think is the tree above, I think this is what the Parish Registers suggest;
5-Hugh b ~1701, d ~1778 (according to Amelia)
Married Janet McGregor 1734 Balquhidder
|-6-John bap 1736 Easter Achtow
|-6-Duncan bap 1738 [or 1735] Easter Auchtow
|-6-Margaret bap 1739 Easter Achtow
|-6-Robert bap 1742 Wester Auchtoo
|-6-John bap 1746 Auchtoomor d ~1800
|-6-Janet bap ~1747 wife of John McLaren of Lednascriden
|-6-Duncan bap 1749 Auchtowmore
|-6-Alexander bap 1750 Achtow
|-6-Alexander bap 1753 Auchtowmore
'-6-Donald bap 1755 Achtow
6-Robert bap 1742 Wester Auchtoo
Married Margaret McLaren 1774 Balquhidder
|-7-Hugh bap 1775 Easter Auchtoo
|-7-Janet bap 1777 Achtowmore
| Clandestine marriage to John McGregor 1798*
| |-8-Janet bap 1800 Easter Achtu
| |-8-Hugh bap 1802 Easter Achtu
| |-8-John bap 1804 Easter Achtu
| | '-9-James + Margaret twins 1832 to John Auchlestinkine and Janet McGregor Auchtow
| | Janet pos. daur of Gregor and Isobel Stewart bap 1796 Gartnafuaran
| | Her mother's parents James and Margaret Stewarts
| | Or pos. daur of John and Ann Robertson bap 1813 Auchtow
| |-8-Robert bap 1807 Middle Achtu
| |-8-Janet bap 1810 Middle Achtou
| |-8-Margaret bap 1813 Achtu
| '-8-Duncan bap 1819 Auchleskine
|-7-Mary bap 1779 Auchlone
|-7-John bap 1781 Auchtowmore
|-7-Margaret bap 1783 Auchtowmore
|-7-James bap 1785 Wester Auchtan
|-7-Elizabeth bap 1787 Auchtowmore
'-7-James bap 1788
[Continued]
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6-John bap 1746 Auchtoomor d ~1800
Married Mary Fisher 1778 Balquhidder
pos. daur of Patrick Fisher and Christian Mclaren bap 1756 Balquhidder
|-7-Janet bap 1779 Auchtoumore
|-7-Christian bap 1780 Auchtaramore
|-7-Hugh bap 1782 Easter Auchtowhead
|-7-Margaret bap 1785 Achtoumore
|-7-Jean bap 1786 Auchlarmore
|-7-Patrick bap 1789 Auchtumore
|-7-Bettridge bap 1793 Auchtowmore
|-7-Mary bap 1795 Achtumore
|-7-Kathrine bap 1797 Liascridan
'-7-Joanna bap 1800 Lidenscridan [John lately deceased]
The list of fathers and sons from around 1787 says Robert[6] and John[6] above were the same family as;
1755 Hugh ban Drmmond/...McIntyre Janet Auchtowmore
1759 Hugh Dummond/Janet McIntyre Betterage Easter Auchtow
1761 Hugh Drummond/Janet McIntyre Margaret Auchtowmore
1764 Hugh Drummond/Jannet McIntyre John Auchtowmore
1765 Hugh Baan McGregor f with McLias in Dunc Stewart's shieling in Corrarb[cf 1763] [Robert McNie's daughter]
1769 Hugh Bane Drummond/Janet McIntyre Christian Auchtowmore
I'm not sure where Hugh Ban fits into the tree, probably a cousin. His son John baptised 1764 is a good candidate for the husband of Janet above, bap 1777 Achtowmore, clandestine marriage to John McGregor 1798*. Betterage baptised 1759 is most likely the Betterage McGregor who married Malcom Fisher 1780 in Balquhidder, and who is buried with her husband;
Betsy McGregor d. 11.9.1793 aged 33, h. Malcom Fisher 7.4.1837 86, by s Peter Fisher feuar Strathyre.
The Statistics of the Annexed Estates 1755-56 for E. Achtow has;
Hugh Drummond Snr
Hugh Drummond Jnr
Hugh B. Drummond
Hugh Ban is above, Hugh Snr is most likely Hugh[5] above, Hugh Jnr is most likely;
1754 Hugh Drummond younger/Margaret McLaren Alexander Achtow f
1757 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren John Auchtowmore
1759 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Duncan Easter Achtow
1761 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Hugh Easter Achtow
1763 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Christian Easter Achtow
1764 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Patrick Achtowmore
This Hugh is not mentioned in 1787. He may not be family, but the younger/junior and location suggest he is. Maybe he is the eldest son of Hugh[5], maybe from before his marriage to Janet McGregor in 1734.
John.
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Thank you, John. You are an absolute wealth of information regarding these McGregors of mine. My Mum was Hugh McGregor's (1802 - 1874) great great granddaughter. Born in South Knapdale, Argyll and passed away 5 months ago here in Canada at age 93, the longest lived McGregor female I've come across yet. She was the farthest thing from these wild ancestors although she had a stubborn steak that came out once in a while. ;)
Great information and I am very pleased to have it.
Mary
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Oh, yes, I missed off;
8-Hugh bap 1802 Easter Achtu
Married Mary Hustin [Austin] 1832
|-9-John bap 1834 Village of Strathire
|-9-James bap 1835 Village of Strathire
'-9-Robert bap 1836 Rusgachan
I also have a record of him on the Transcript of the 1832 Electoral Roll for the Parish of Balquhidder;
Hugh M’Gregor , tenant , farm , east part of East Auchleskine
And the South Knapdale census records for him and his brother Duncan.
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You're correct. My line ends up in Argyll circa 1830 when Hugh McGregor takes a job as a farm manager/overseer for Campbell owned properties. He brings his wife Mary (Houstin, Hustin, Austin - I wish knew which!) and their 3 eldest sons, John, James and Robert. Nine more children are born - Mary, Ann, Janet, Peter, Hugh, 2 Joshuas (yes two!), Duncan and my 2x great grandfather, Dugald Campbell McGregor. The family was first at Southend, Argyll then at 2 different farms in Knapdale - Inverneill and Taynish. Dugald was born at Taynish in 1849.
Mary
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I don't know if you've seen them, but the Balquhidder census records for Hugh's brother John confirm the tree, as it gives his mother Janet's age in 1841 as 63, and he is living with his aunts Mary and Betty in 1851, and Betty in 1861. Mary and Betty's death certificates give their parents as Robert and Margaret McLaren. So, this means that in the family of John and Janet, one of them is from the family of Robert and Margaret McLaren, given Janet's age of 63 in 1841, it is most likely her baptised 1777, and not John baptised 1781.