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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: ceccharlton on Tuesday 23 October 12 12:05 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information concerning Sir William St Leger who lived at Gravesend in 1912? I think his wife was known as Fanny. I am researching the name Pascoe and believe that William or Fanny have a Pascoe connection. Many thanks, Cec
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I can't see any St Leger people, living in Gravsend (Kent) on the 1911 census.
And puzzled as to why you posted this under Devon?
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Are you referring to Gravesend House, associated with the Than(c)kes estate in Torpoint? (I had a question about it myself recently!)
If you go here:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=243923,55486
and click on "enlarge map" for
1881-1890 Pre-WWII 1:2,500 - CORNWALL & ISLES OF SCILLY
you can see the location.
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Nope, it is indeed Gravesend, Kent:
John Hunter ST LEDGER and a family recorded as LEDGER, in Gravesend; also LEDGERs in other places recorded as born in Gravesend.
I can't copy the details here but go here
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
and search for
surname ledger
place of birth gravesend
I guess the Devon connection being invetigated is the surname Pascoe and whether anyone knows of a connection between that surname and the St Ledger family.
It could help to explain what you think the connection is, ceccharlton -- if you believe there is one, it must be because you have an idea what it is!
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I would guess that Pascoe is more a Cornish name so again puzzled why you post this in Devon
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My thoughts as well -- I was composing this in the meantime ...
A Fanny Louisa St Ledger married in Falmouth in 1889, one of the possible grooms: James Pascoe.
Conversely, a Fanny Pascoe married in Falmouth in 1863, one of the possible grooms: James St Ledger.
(I had only searched for possible Pascoe + St Ledger marriages and they happened to involve Fannys.)
Only one St Ledger event in Devon:
William James Ranger St Ledger died in Plymouth in 1859/60.
Easy searches at FreeBMD: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
However, there are a number of ST LEGER events in Devon.
I might guess that the Fanny Pascoe who married St Ledger is in the 1911 census in a household in Falmouth where there are also Pascoes. An Ancestry user has corrected her surname from St Leger, so it would be worth checking there and contacting that user perhaps.
... Actually, the household doesn't include Pascoes. This is one of Ancestry's mashed-together messes of multiple households (it has also falsely called a member of the household Ledger whose surname was something else). The Pascoes are next door.
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Not sure if this is linked . . . .
In Gravesend Cemetery, there is a gravestone to John Hunter St Ledger.
CWGC has some more details:
Died 8th May 1917 age 19
Able Seaman, Mercantile Marine Reserve, of H.M. Yacht Zarefah.
Son of Comdr. and Mrs. W. H. St. Ledger, of "Woodbine," Whitehall Rd., Gravesend.
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I can't see any St Leger people, living in Gravsend (Kent) on the 1911 census.
And puzzled as to why you posted this under Devon?
Thanks for your help. The Devon posting was a mistake and should have been Cornwall
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No explanation of what the connection between the names is or how someone might help?
John Hunter St Ledger would of course be the son of
William Henry St Ledger
Ellen Hughina R Hunter
who married in 1896 in Birkenhead.
If William was born in Falmouth in 1866, he was the son of James, a mariner, and Mary, on the 1871 census in Falmouth; his surname has been multiply corrected at Ancestry by two users who would likely be the people to ask about him.
Ah, there we are. The name Mary is a mistranscription and has been corrected by the same people at Ancestry to Fanny. They are the couple I referred to earlier:
James St Ledger
Fanny Pascoe
who married in Falmouth in 1863.
So William Henry St Ledger's wife was Ellen Hunter, but his mother was Fanny Pascoe.
In 1901, William, Ellen, John, 3, and Christiana, 1, are in Gravesend, where William is the chief mate on HM customs cutter. (Your saying "at" Gravesend was what made me think first of the house in Torpoint.) In 1911 John is at private school in Gravesend, Ellen is with her sister in Birkenhead, and William, I don't see.
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Many thanks to you all for taking an interest in my query. Firstly, as already posted, it should have been under Cornwall and not Devon. The purpose of my post was to investigate the connection between Sir William St Ledger and the Pascoe Family of Falmouth. My grandmother Amelia Jane Pascoe, whose family came from Falmouth (owned the Victory Inn), visited the UK with her husband in 1912 during which time frequent mention was made in her travel diary of Sir William ('cousin Willie') St Ledger, his wife Fanny and son (John) and daughter. Willie, who reportedly resided in Gravesend also seemed to have been in command of a customs boat. Their was also a Percy St L but any relationship was not mentioned in the diary. From replies so far it seems that Willie was born in 1866, the son of James St L and Fanny Pascoe. My gmother, Amelia Jane Pascoe's father Henry was born in Falmouth in 1835 and Amelia was born in Australia in 1872.
At present I am not sure where Fanny fits in and will need to do some work. It may be that the term 'cousin' was being used loosely, as was often the custom.
Many thanks, Cec
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Again, I would strongly recommend that you contact the Ancestry users who have corrected these people's names in the various censuses.
In 1861, Fanny Pascoe, aged 20, a schoolmistress, is a niece in the household of Nicholas and Mary Oates in Faversham, Kent; Nicholas is an Asst In [something] Office Customs. Someone has corrected all of their birthplaces to Cornwall from Canada (as mistranscribed by Ancestry). In 1851 and 1841 she is in Falmouth, daughter of Henry, a warehouseman, and Grace. Henry was born about 1800 in Budock.
I can't identify your Henry 1835 in censuses to see who his parents were. If you don't know, you can browse Falmouth baptism images here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20277-24855-63?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-JW9:n497789741
England, Cornwall Parish Registers, 1538-2010 - Cornwall - Falmouth - Baptisms, 1825-1839
The censuses, familysearch and the OPC site show lots of Henry Pascoes born c1835, but none in Falmouth specifically except for a Thomas Henry 1835 son of Nicholas and Emily. No idea who owned the Victory Inn or when, so can't look any further ...
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Presumably the canonized Ledger became the patron saint of accountants; whilst the canonized Leger became the patron saint of turf accountants? ::)
Don't get them muddled; the St. Legers who founded the famous horse race are often confused with the St. Ledgers often by people who should know better!
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My husband stumbled across this post when he googled his own name, John St Ledger! William was the son of James St Ledger (Master Mariner from Waterford, Ireland) and Fanny Pascoe who ran the Victory Inn in Falmouth. They married under Catholic orders at King Charles the Martyr Church (CofE) Falmouth. I can't remember the year but I think that it was Christmas Day or Eve. We believe that he probably stayed at the Inn while in Falmouth. They had 2 sons, William and James and six or seven daughters. William went to sea with his father, then joined the customs service and went to live in Gravesend. He was in Falmouth when a new customs vessel, The Vigilant, was launched having been built in the town. He was 2nd in command for some time, then became Commander of the vessel. It was quite a famous ship.
http://www.medwaymaritimetrust.org.uk/vigilant/pages/historyNEW.htm
There is a photo of him on this link;
http://www.medwaymaritimetrust.org.uk/vigilant/history/history-Pages/Image4.html
Here are some other links
Baptism record
http://www.penrynopc.co.uk/Wesleyan%20Baps%201866-71.html
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32941/supplement/4416/data.pdf
http://hm-waterguard.org.uk/People-Colleagues%20-%20CVs%20-%20S.htm
WILLIAM HENRY St. LEDGER MBE ISO
1892-1899 Boatman London
1899-1928 Cutters
HMRC Cutter service
1899-1917 First Mate HMRC Vigilant
1917-1928 Commander HMRC Vigilant
A John St Ledger is mentioned as having died in the Great War and buried at Gravesend
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=201807
Although there is mention of a son, John, he is not remembered by relatives I have spoken to and could have died in the Great War, details above. William had two daughters so there would be no other St Ledgers in Gravesend. My father-in-law, son of his brother, James, was named after him, though went by the name of Jack.
Williams nephew, the late Desmond St Ledger McCarthy, told us a number of times that he was offered a knighthood, but declined. My sister-in-law has more details and photos of the family, including one of Fanny (nee Pascoe) surrounded by her offspring, holding a photo of her late husband.