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Title: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Wednesday 24 October 12 21:35 BST (UK)
Could someone please tell me if there is anyway of finding these records? Eliza Dyer and John Horgan. married Coolbanagher 20 Aug 1861. I would like to buy the certificate but can't find the details to help as I don't know if they married in a church or not and am unsure what religion they were.  ??? many thanks
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 24 October 12 22:01 BST (UK)
If the marriage was non-Catholic then it would be included in civil records, and you can check for it on the usual BMD Index, and if you find a possible match, order a cert from the GRO.

If the marriage was Catholic then you would have to check for a church record of the marriage as these were only included in civil records from 1864.

see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)

how do you know the date for the marriage ?


Shane
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 24 October 12 22:13 BST (UK)
your previous topic on the Dyer family stated that the marriage was in a registry office - see :

  Re: Joseph DYER from Emo (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,539103.msg3930403.html#msg3930403)  (reply #8)

I presume this is the extracted version of the marriage from FamilySearch :

  Groom: John Horgan
  Bride: Eliza Dyer
  Marriage date:  20 Aug 1861
  Marriage place: Coolbanagher, Queens Co.
  Groom's father: Jeremiah Horgan
  Bride's father: Joseph Dyer
  Ref.: p259 ln67

see : https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCC-QJF

and the corresponding BMD Index reference (the year and page number and general area match the extracted record) :

  Name: Eliza Dyer
  Registration district: Mountmellick
  Event type: Marriage
  Year: 1861
  Volume: 8 / Page: 259

the fact that this is included in the Civil BMD Index means that it was a non-Catholic or Registry Office marriage.

You can use the Index references to order a research cert, which will give you a few more details on the marriage, from the GRO by post. See :

  Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
  Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)



S.
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Wednesday 24 October 12 22:20 BST (UK)
Thank you Shane. That was exactly what I was after. I wasn't sure just how to proceed from finding the family search info. Heartfelt thanks....
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Friday 04 January 13 12:11 GMT (UK)
Maybe they married in the C of I Church in Coolbanagher?  Records held in RCB Library in Dublin.  I know that there were Dyers in the parish.

Danishdots
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Thursday 10 January 13 07:11 GMT (UK)
I have the marriage certificate now, thanks. They were married in the parish church at Coolbanagher.
Now, can anyone tell me just where Killamy is? I have searched the townlands and can't find it.!! :D
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 10 January 13 08:11 GMT (UK)
The only townland I see in Coolbanagher parish beginning with 'Kil' is 'Killimy'

What's the context of the 'Killamy' address - bride or groom ?

The marriage would usually take place in the bride's current parish of residence, but the groom could be from another area.


S.
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 10 January 13 09:21 GMT (UK)
just spotted a Joseph Dyer on Griffith's Valuation at Killimy townland, Coolbanagher parish in 1851.

maybe Eliza's father ?



Shane
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: Jack2227 on Thursday 10 January 13 12:14 GMT (UK)
http://www.laois.ie

Is Laois County Council website;
Top right hand corner-Map it
Scroll down to Emo-Killimy is featured on the map.
==
Jack
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Thursday 10 January 13 21:03 GMT (UK)
Killimy is a townsland next to Coolbanagher - but is part of the parish of Coolbanagher. 

Happy &  Healthy New Year to all,

Danishdots
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861 Completed. Thank you.
Post by: azmara on Friday 11 January 13 09:25 GMT (UK)
 :)Thank you all. Found it!   marriage cert gives both parties as coming from Killamy.Obviously a spelling mistake.
Happy new year to you too.
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Friday 11 January 13 11:12 GMT (UK)
Have found it spelt both ways in old records.  Coolbanagher is also spelt Coolbengher etc.  Surnames change depending on the Rector of the time - I presume so much was spelt phonetically!

Good wishes again,
Danishdots
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Saturday 12 January 13 01:41 GMT (UK)
Hello again Danish Dots...more questions!
If they died in Killimy, would they be buried at Emo??  I have a lovely list of births and burials from the RCB library in Dublin.  The list of burials just say where they died ie
 William Dyer 11/05/1838 Killany
Joseph Dyer 16/07/1869 Killany,
 Mary Dyer 06/06/1851 Killany.....
On the trail of gravestones now !!
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Saturday 12 January 13 12:05 GMT (UK)
Hi again,
Yes is they were 'C of I - but RC were sometimes buried in St. John's Graveyard in Coolbanagher too.  Have collated most of the burials for the church - when I get to sit down tonight I will have a search for you.

I know that there are Dyers.

Will come back asap,

Danishdots
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Saturday 12 January 13 12:10 GMT (UK)
HI again - just had a quick look at 'graves' that I have recorded - I can see that there are 4 Dyer graves - but will have tocheck to see if there are  headstones.  As promised will have a look at the 'death records' this pm.

Danishdots
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Saturday 12 January 13 21:29 GMT (UK)
 :)much appreciated thank you.
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Saturday 12 January 13 23:28 GMT (UK)
Apologies that I cannot do the search tonight - have had visitors call
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: azmara on Sunday 13 January 13 00:10 GMT (UK)
No hurry..been searching for ever already it seems....enjoy your visitors... :)
Title: query for Danishdots
Post by: azmara on Sunday 19 May 13 02:31 BST (UK)
Hello again. I was wondering if you have any info on marriages at  St Johns Coolbanagher?   I am looking for a marriage between Joseph DYER and Mary ?  Their first child was born 1831 so presumably they would have married around then.I am trying to establish who Mary was !
Thanks again. Mila :)


Moderator Note : Merged with previous topic on the Dyer family
Title: Re: marriage in Coolbanagher 1861
Post by: danishdots on Saturday 23 November 13 14:41 GMT (UK)
Hi again

Winter is here - and gardening almost finished for a while....so looking at records again!! :)

Appear to have 16 records of Dyer burials in Coolbanagher and 22 records of baptisms.

Please send me a personal email if you would like more details.

Danishdots