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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland Resources => Topic started by: shanew147 on Tuesday 21 August 12 19:33 BST (UK)
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A few notes on viewing Tithe Records at the National Library of Ireland :
There's an index book to the Tithes in the Genealogy room - this contains an alphabetical list of all civil parishes covered. Example of an entry :
Taney 1825 9/70 35
1825 is the year of that section, 9/70 is the Tithe reference and 35 is the film number you need. The films, along with the RC parish films, are in metal cabinets on the left in the room across from the Genealogy room. The Tithe films are located to the right of the rack. When you take the film you need, replace the blank slot with one of the 'in use' film boxes.
The records include similar details to Griffith's - i.e. occupier, area of land (which can be handy for cross-reference with Griffith's data), valuation etc, but without the Lessor. There are often comments about the type or quality of the land - e.g. 'good pasture', 'fine arable', 'some bog' etc. The layout varies a little - some parishes have more columns relating to the valuation over the left and right leaves, others just one set of entries per side - some extracts below. Note that Tithe records do not include towns and cities, and there are also many property exemptions.
The Film room has a number of microfilm machines - a good idea to 'claim' one as you arrive, in case it gets busy while you are finding your film references etc. There are also PCs with scanners and printing facilities, but these should not be used for searching, just for printing out entries after you have located them. Although it does mean you have to unspool your film on the viewer, reload on the scanner and find the details again, so it's a good idea to have some 'land marks' noted to help.
There are a number of parishes on each film and the TAB references (e.g. 9/70) are in order on the films and are included at the bottom of most pages to help navigate. There are also useful 'marker' pages consisting of a few horizontal white bars between each set of entries (e.g. between 32/10 Powerscourt, 32/11 Kilmacanogue and again before 32/12 Bray etc) which you can spot even in fast forward mode, and count your way forwards to the parish you need.
Pages printed are A4 and cost 10c each. There's a card machine in the film room - cards have €2 credit. They printer is in the Genealogy room. (The same PCs can be used to print entries from RC films).
There's also a useful combined index of Griffth's and the Tithes by Surname. There's a set of books by county, and the sections are listed by civil parish. Each surname that appears in either Griffth's and/or the Tithe's for the civil parish is listed. (no townland or first names are included). e.g.
Dillon G4 T
Walsh G4
this indicates that there were one or more Dillon listed for the parish in question in both Griffith's and the Tithes, but Walsh only appears in Griffith's entries.
Couple of complications I found that might be worth noting...
some townlands appear in different parishes to what you would expect based on Griffith's, the 1st Ed. OSI maps or 1851 townland index. I dont know how common this is but if this does occur then check neighbouring parishes - these will usually be on the same film.
Some films are spooled backwards - i.e. the first page you see reads 'end'. Makes for complicated mirror-image navigation.
and a minor point - some surnames have been 'tidied up' for the combined Griffith's/Tithes surnames index - e.g. some of my Wicklow ancestors often appear as Roach(e) - and appear like this in the Tithe records, but are listed as Roche in this index.
Shane
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The National Archives have added transcripts, and images for Tithe records to their website. These are mainly records for the 26 counties, but the data does include a few civil parishes for counties in Northern Ireland.
see : Tithe Applotment Book NAI (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp)
S.
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Images of the original tithe applotment records can be viewed on the National archives site from today.
http://www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/
annclare
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Apologies for duplicate message didn't see earlier message.
annclare
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http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
Index and images ;D ;D
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Counties Antrim, Londonderry and Tyrone seem to be missing :-\
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As far as I know the National Archives in Dublin only have Tithe records for the 26 counties, plus some overlapping parishes.
Hopefully the NAI and PRONI might get together and arrange to add to details for Northern Ireland at some point.
S.
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New online data on Tithes now available at www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie.Don't know if errors widespread,but for first surname of interest to me page one had ten entries,of which six had wrong parish,where microfilm copy of original clearly showed actual name of parish.
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Doesn't seem to give you a chance to report errors.
I've already found Fox as Fose
Kilfoyle as Filfoyle
and Foran as Toran
an extra name which I just can't find on the image
and just can't find some townlands at all.
It's great to have but sadly it's going to be hard work to use.
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Hi all
Do ye know the Tithe Applotment Books of 1823 to 37 are now available online
at http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
The Tithes are a census of all the heads of households who had to pay a tax on their land in the early 19 th century
P J
Moderator Note : Merged with existing thread
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Hi P J,
Yes our resources were updated here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,623211.0.html earlier this month.
Thanks for the information - my area is not included and I have written to see if there is a reason but no reply. :-\
regards
heywood
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I received an email today about errors and missing parishes.
Here are some extracts: (I have added the bold type for ease of reading)
"Dear users,
Thank you all for your valuable feedback on the TAB site which was recently launched. I hope to be able to give at least preliminary answers to your questions in this email.
The information on the site was transcribed and indexed by our partners at the Genealogical Society of Utah. It is well beyond the small resources of the National Archives to carry out such a large task, or to be in a position to verify 750,000 names.
All records for the 6 northern counties are held in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.
There are a number of problems with the site:
Mistranscriptions of names and placenames: we are working to place an error transcription form on the site, to allow corrections to personal names, which should be available in a day or two. However, it is by no means certain that we will have the staff required to verify and input the suggested corrections.
The issue of variant placenames, which often occur in the books themselves, requires greater scrutiny, and we will be working with our partners to try to remedy this problem, and mistranscriptions of placenames.
A number of parishes appear to be missing from the site; we are taking this up with our partners and will attempt to have them inserted. Please continue to let us know of any further omissions.
A number of parishes are mislocated in counties not their own; we are taking this up with our partners and will attempt to have them correctly placed.
We are extremely grateful for your feedback on the site, and will do our best to remedy the problems identified.
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just a quick point about missing townlands or parishes - besides excluding urban areas and non-agricultural land, there were many exemptions. Various types of land were excluded, and not using common rules across the country, and certain major landholders were apparently better at arranging this.
The other point to watch out for is that townlands dont always appear in the civil parish you would expect - i.e. based on Griffith's or the 1851 townland index.
S.
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Shane,
I had written just to ask if there were any records for my ancestral parish. The adjoining parish is there but not the one I would like to look at.
That was the official response so hopefully things may get tidied up and sorted out.
heywood
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I'm sure there are missing records from the online version, but just to mention that there are supposed to be 'gaps'. Lots of missing townlands and parishes when I looked at the films.
What parish were you looking for ?
S.
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Kilcummin parish, County Mayo
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I might have a chance to have a look at the Index books tomorrow to see if this was covered, and or filmed - will let you know.
p.m. me the townland(s) of interest
S.
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I can't find any of the townlands surrounding Collinstown in Westmeath. It's driving me mad.
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Hi Sinann,
my Kilcummin parish Mayo is to be found in Kerry!!
I found St Feighin's Parish with townlands which includes Collinstown. Which townlands are you looking for?
heywood
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:D Using your experience with Kilcummin, I found one of the townlands, Cummerstown Westmeath is to be found in Cork.
It includes Christianstown and Black Hills.
Now I need to find Balnavine, I think I'll spend some time on FamilySearch looking at the images each side of Cummerstown in case it's included with other townlands as Cummerstown is. Oh I have a feeling I'm going to end up spending hours looking at images from all over the country. :o
Thanks for the hint.
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It looks like Balnavine, St. Mary's, Co. Westmeath is listed under 'St Mary's Castlepolland (Cork)'
see link (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Cork/St%20Mary%27s%20Castlepolland/)
11 households listed... Balnavine (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Cork&parish=St%20Mary%27s%20Castlepolland&townland=Ballinavine&search=Search)
introduction to that section of the page mentions Castlepollard, and Diocese of Meath.
see : page 339 (http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625715/004625715_00339.pdf)
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Hey I found it only two images away. Can't see the name but that is in it's self information.
oh shanew147 we were looking at the same time but thanks for the effort.