RootsChat.Com

England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 13:52 GMT (UK)

Title: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 13:52 GMT (UK)
Herbert Richard TEMPERO born 1864 in Great Milton and died 1937 in Oxford

His parents were Henry TEMPERO born ca 1832 in Great Milton & Penelope JUSTICE born 1836 in Great Milton
The marriage was 2q 1858 Thame 3a 731 in Great Milton

Can anyone find other members of their families?

Muffin41
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lizdb on Friday 09 November 12 14:42 GMT (UK)
1851

HO107 1726 25 1

Great Milton
James Justice 60 shoemaker bn Holton
Jane 55 bn Little Milton
Penelope 15 bn Grt Milton
+ lodger
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lizdb on Friday 09 November 12 14:44 GMT (UK)
1841

James 50
JAne 45
Caroline 11
Emma 9
Penelope 5
Thomas 3

all bn in county

living in G Milton
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 14:50 GMT (UK)
Here are a few marriages from the OxFHS marriage index 1538 - 1837.

Henry Tempero to Mary Grinell.  1828 @ Ox. St Thomas.
John Tempero(of Waterstock), to Penelope Burr.  1763 @ Charlbury.
John Tempero to Mary Betterridge(of Drayton St. Leonard).  1791 @ Great Milton.
William Tempero(of Draycott) to Ann Croker(of Islip).  1727 @ Ox. St.Mary the Virgin.
William Tempero to Jane Spindlow(of Chislehampton).  1800 @ Great Milton.
William Tempero(lodger),  to Edith Maloney(lodger).  1824 @ Ox. St Peter Bailey.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 15:02 GMT (UK)
In the meantime I have found that Henry & Penelope´s father Henry married Mary Grenell Grinniel :-\  It must be Mary Grinell - thanks Steve :D for that one.

Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 15:06 GMT (UK)
Great Milton baptisms/burials to James & Jane Justice. Occ. Shoemaker

George - 24 Apr 1825.   Buried - 15 Oct 1828
William - 21 Jan 1827.    Buried -  4 Nov 1828.
Ann - 30 Mar 1828.   Buried - 23 May 1829.
Caroline - 11 Jul 1830.
Emma - 12 Feb 1832.   Buried - 25 Aug 1847.
Penelope - 26 Jul 1835.
Caleb - 16 Oct 1836.   Buried 27 Sep 1837.
Thomas - 6 Apr 1838.


Jane Justice - Buried  4 Sep 1856 aged 61.
James Justice - Buried  29 Jan 1861.  aged 70.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 15:14 GMT (UK)
Tempero burials.  Great Milton.

Henry - 17 Aug 1863.  aged 60.
Mary -  6 Sep 1863.  aged 56.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 15:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you both for the info. so far :D

Henry & Penelope Tempero emigrated to New Zealand
I have not found out when they sailed.

Son Herbert lived in Oxford all his life.
Not found any other Tempero children to date.

Muffin :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 15:24 GMT (UK)
Tempero Baptisms to Henry & Penelope. @ Great Milton

Frank Edward - 15 Mar 1859
Thomas Aldwin - 15 Feb 1862.
Lincoln Henry -  1 Feb 1864.
Hedley - 31 Dec 1865.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 15:29 GMT (UK)
Hmmmm.   The only Herbert Tempero baptism I can find, is this one. ???

HUBERT Richard Tempero. 1 Feb 1864.  son of Richard & Martha. @ Great Milton.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 15:39 GMT (UK)
Hmm! ???

Did Henry have a brother Richard ???

I have Hebert´s birth 1q 1864 Thame 3a 560

Muffin
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 09 November 12 15:49 GMT (UK)
Steve you gave me Lincoln Henry baptised 1 Feb 1864 with th other 3.
Muffin
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 15:53 GMT (UK)
Steve you gave me Lincoln Henry baptised 1 Feb 1864 with th other 3.
Muffin

Yes, that's correct for Lincoln Henry Tempero.   Son of Henry & Penelope. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 16:28 GMT (UK)
Richard Tempero was baptised 4 Jan 1829, to Henry & Mary.

He is the father of Hubert/Herbert Richard Sempero 1864. Gt.Milton.   as per 1871 & 1881 census.

Mother Martha, was born c1840. Horton/Norton/Worton or Great Milton, Oxfordshire, depending on which census you look at.   In 1861, they are in Merton St.Mary in  Croydon, Surrey.  Ages vary a few years though.

They married in o/n/d 1860 in Croydon, Surrey.  Vol 2a.  Page. 313.   Martha Hillsden/Hillsdon, is one of the brides.

I think Martha Hillsden is from Horton, but her baptism may be registered at Beckley.     Horton church baptisms start in 1880.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 20:12 GMT (UK)
Martha Hillsdon was baptised 21 May 1843 @ Beckley.  Daughter of Abraham & Elizabeth, of Horton.   Occ. Blacksmith.

Abraham Hillsdon c1796. Horton cum Studley.    Buried - 28 Mar 1874 @ Beckley.  aged 78.
Elizabeth Hillsdon c1799. Horton cum Studley.   Buried - 30 Nov 1881 @ Horton cum Studley.  aged 83.

Abraham Hillsdon married Elizabeth Auger.  1 Oct 1818 @ Ox. St.Aldates.

Both Abraham & Elizabeth were  baptised @ Beckley.


Steve. :)


Info from OxFHS - Marriage index, and previous posts from OxFHS - Beckley & Great Milton transcript  CD's.
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 21:26 GMT (UK)
James Justice was baptised, 31 Aug 1794 @ Beckley.  Son of Thomas & Keziah Justice.

Plus:

Martha, 1 Jan 1797.
Keziah, 13 Oct 1799.      Married to John Badrick(of Dorton, Bucks), 15 Aug 1822.   Witnesses - William Steel & Ann Justice.  (Living in Chearsley, Bucks.(1851)).
Charlotte, 18 Jul 1802.   Married to Thomas Saunders(of Horton)aged 47.  Son of William.  14 Mar 1846.   Witnesses - John Warland, Sarah Marill & William Harris.
Edward, 24 Mar 1895.
Anne,  21 Feb 1808.

Thomas Justice married Kesiah Cox, 24 Nov 1793 @ Beckley.    Witnesses - Richard Bletherow & William Carr.

Keziah Justice was buried,  20 Apr 1845 @ Beckley.  aged 75 of Horton.
Thomas Justice was buried, 23 Jul 1845 @ Beckley.  aged 82 of Beckley.


Steve. :)


From OxFHS - Beckley PR's.
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Friday 09 November 12 22:18 GMT (UK)
John Badrick & Keziak(nee.Justice), had 5 children baptised in Chearsley, Bucks.

James - 5 Jun 1825.   Married Sarah Kingsley, 25 Dec 1849 @ Chearsley.  Sarah was buried 27 Jun 1850.     James Badrick(widowed), married Mary Walker(aged 19).  11 Oct 1860. @ Chearsley, Bucks.

Thomas - 1 Apr 1827.
William - 18 Oct 1829.
Ann - 18 Mar 1832.
Elizabeth - 23 Feb 1834.


Steve. :)


From BucksFHS - Chearsley PR Disc.
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Saturday 10 November 12 11:07 GMT (UK)
I have still one mystery to solve Steve, can you help me again ;D

James Justice born 1794 married ??? Jane West born 1795 in Little Milton ???

When was she also baptised ???

Muffin :D
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Saturday 10 November 12 11:50 GMT (UK)
Firstly, how do you know she was Jane WEST.    No baptism in Great Milton for her.(Parish regs for Little Milton start in 1844).

Have you got one of their childrens birth certs.?

No marriage of your James Justice to Jane ? ? ?, in the OxFHS - Marriage index,  except  James Justice(widower) to Elizabeth Smith.  26 Dec 1831 @ Beckley. ??? 

This James Justice was baptised 1790, in Holton, Oxfordshire.  Son of Thomas & Ann.

Thomas Justice(of Holton), married Ann Johnson.  24 Oct 1780. @ North Aston, Oxfordshire.


Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Saturday 10 November 12 17:04 GMT (UK)
I got Herbert Richard Tempero son of Richard with Henry Tempero´s descendants :-[

You have given me the children of James Justice &  ??? beginning with George born 1825.

I hope that you can find James Justices´ wife and her family for me. :)

Or have I missed something you have given me? :-\

Muffin
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Saturday 10 November 12 22:35 GMT (UK)
Herbert Richard TEMPERO born 1864 in Great Milton and died 1937 in Oxford

His parents were Henry TEMPERO born ca 1832 in Great Milton & Penelope JUSTICE born 1836 in Great Milton
The marriage was 2q 1858 Thame 3a 731 in Great Milton

Can anyone find other members of their families?

Muffin41


Henry Tempero did not marry Penelope Justice in Great Milton, Little Milton, Beckley, Great Haseley, Little Haseley, Waterperry, Waterstock, Holton, Forest Hill, Cuddesdon, Wheatley and Thame, according to the PR's.     Have you got their marriage cert to confirm place of marriage, and father.

Have you purchased Hubert/Herbert Richard Tempero birth cert.

Steve. :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Sunday 11 November 12 10:31 GMT (UK)
I have not bought any BMD´s for the two families yet :-X

I was hoping to get as much details as I could before spending my pension :P

I found the initial info. on Ancestry, so I don´t know if it is accurate enough ;D

Muffin :)
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: bucksboy on Sunday 11 November 12 14:08 GMT (UK)
Until you get any certs you need, at least you have some names to get your teeth in to. ;D
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Sunday 11 November 12 16:22 GMT (UK)
I will sort out what you have given me and hope to fill in the puzzle pieces ;D

Thank you for your help Steve, it is very much appreciated. 8) 8)

Thanks to all the other people who have added to the topic :D

Maybe some one else can add more details ???

Muffin :D :D :D
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lesleyi on Thursday 12 June 14 12:01 BST (UK)
Just googled for John Tempero and found your postings and replies. I think this is my family. My great grandfather was Aldwin Thomas Tempero, one of the children of Henry Tempero and Penelope Justice who emigrated to New Zealand in 1870. Henry was son of Henry Tempero and Mary Grinniel (various spellings of her surname) of Great Milton. Penelope was daughter of James Justice and Jane Quartermain (first marriage to West).
Henry senior was son of John Tempero  and Mary Betteridge (daughter of William Betteridge and Mary Swell of Drayton). John's parents were John Tempero and Penelope Burr. This John was I think son of John Tempero and Mary Phillips of Sunninghill but the Tempero line  is then back in Great Milton to the mid 1660s.
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Thursday 12 June 14 13:04 BST (UK)
Welcome to Roots Chat lesleyl  :)

If you would like any Information about the Tempero  Family please say which person you would like to know more about. Johannes Tempero and Maria Phillips married 14 Apr 1722 Sunninghill, Berkshire.
I have a few details about their descendants.

I have also traced the Justice Family back to Thomas Justice born about 1765.

Muffin41 :D
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lesleyi on Friday 13 June 14 01:46 BST (UK)
Hi Muffin
I was wondering where you fit in to the Tempero/Justice tree - and also if we could compare notes offline to fill in any gaps in our databases.
I have Temperos back to mid 1660s in and around Great Milton, Justices back to mid 1700s in Great Milton, Holton, Fringford etc, Grinnells (aka Griniel, Greenhill etc) back to a similar period + a little about Quartermains in Little Milton (Jane Quartermain was baptised in Little Milton, married a James West in Oxford (I think - details are on another computer), was widowed, and then married James Justice in London c1822 before returning to Great Milton.
Henry Tempero & Penelope Justice were married in Thame in the Independent Chapel, NOT in the C of E church in Great Milton.
I have an almost complete database for their descendents in NZ.
Regards
Lesley
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Friday 13 June 14 10:14 BST (UK)
Hi Lesley
I am indirectly related to the Tempero Family through my mothers Family. Tempero - Tilbury - etc. My interest is because I researched for another person.
We can compare notes offline after you have sent at least 3 postings, so you need one more before you can use the pm Service on Rootschat.

Regards

Muffin
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lesleyi on Saturday 14 June 14 00:08 BST (UK)
Thanks - I'm new to using this site. I have a marriage between Herbert Richard Tempero & Eleanor Alice Tilbury in 1894 in my database + their birth & death dates (years at least) but nothing about any children. Did they have children?
Herbert Richard Tempero was a first cousin of my great grandfather Aldwin Thomas Tempero
Regards
Lesley
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: Muffin41 on Saturday 14 June 14 10:12 BST (UK)
Hi Lesley,

I have sent you a PM and can help you with more Information regarding Herbert Richard Tempero & Eleanor Alice Tilbury.

Regards,

Muffin41
Title: Re: Looking for the Justice & Tempero familes
Post by: lesleyi on Wednesday 22 August 18 00:51 BST (UK)
Hello Muffin + anyone else looking at this chain of messages.

It's been a while since I have checked postings on Rootsweb as I have been concentrating on Ancestry.

I'll try to attach a descendants printout for part of my Tempero family tree + an ancestors printout from ancestors of my great grandfather Aldwin Thomas Tempero  but it doesn't seem to be working.

If you can contact me direct, I'll try to sent to the information to you direct.

Regards
Lesley