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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: calidris on Monday 19 November 12 17:48 GMT (UK)
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Dear all,
In 1860 and prior to that a Captain Pack was stationed at the Falkland Islands, and collected here birds. Sometimes with Charles C Abbott. Does any-one has a clue who Pack is?
Best wishes,
Justin Jansen
The Netherlands
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Difficult to narrow this one down without any info.
There are at least eleven passenger records down to Stanley from 1894 onwards in the name of Packe,so its obviously a local name.
Do you know which garrison was stationed there 1860s.
Picked the following at random,,,,,
Mr Packe b 1857.
Mrs Packe,
Married.
Ship.Tanis.
22 Passengers.
Departed London 1st Nov 1897, bound for Port Stanley.
Brionne.
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Hi Brionne,
He was surely between 1858-1860 Captain of the army here (so he must be born somewhere in 1830 or so?), most likely earlier (few years) and little longer (few years). It was surely Captain Pack (without e).
Yours, Justin
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With no info,was trying to make a start on the family.
Doubt if the,,,,,,E,,,,,makes a lot of difference in this case.
Perhaps a post to the Military lookup board may help.
We all have different ways of approaching research.
Brionne.
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This is Robert Christopher Packe, one of the founders of Packe Brothers, who settled in The Falklands in 1850
http://www.falklands.info/history/history4.html
He was previously a Captain in 34th Foot
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20702/pages/564
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See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=056-de3969&cid=2-9#2-9 re diary held at Leicester Record Office
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Thanks a million, this helps me big time, and rewritting part of the history! Wonderfull.
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see answers here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=625329.msg4736283#msg4736283
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks for the help!
If any-one ever find information on Charles Compton Abbott, who was stationed at Stanley from 1858 till 1860, and captain here, I would be more then happy!
Best wishes,
Justin
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Hi Justin
There is probably quite a bit found on CCA - but to save us time searching for stuff you already know, perhaps you could be a bit more specific on what you want to find out.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Dear Ambly,
That is a good question, I want to know when he was born and when he died, where he was born and died, what are his parents and did he marry and how many children he had.
Thanks, Justin
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Dear all,
Searched the Internet, but still failed to find more details on Captain Charles Compton Abbott, except that he joined the army by 1842, went in 1857 to 1860 to the Falklands, and eventually marry Jane Elizabeth Prosser (x-1900), on 21 November 1861. He retired in the rank of major by 1 October 1875. But still fail to find the dates of birth and death. Any help is very welcome.
Yours, Justin
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From the Weston Mercury, 18 June 1887 page 5
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Morning Post 25 November 1861
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Thanks for this, I found out he was 63 years old when he died, so he must be born in 1824.
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Born in Tasmania
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226510479?
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Birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9CH-CP19?i=61&cc=2125029
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Made the wrong assumption that he was married with Jane Elizabeth Prosser (x-1900), on 21 November 1861. Think this is another Abbott. Think our CC Abbott should be born in the UK, as the Australian one, died in Australia....
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Just a note on the Purchase system for officers. Even today, there's no Royal Army, only Royal regiments, as against Royal Navy and Royal Air Force. One has to remember the origins of the British Army, Cromwell's Commonwealth. His Army laid down their arms in front of the restored King Charles II and then picked them up again.
The Purchase system was a deposit against the loyal and good political behaviour of the officers. In 1751, I think, personal emblems of the Colonels were banned on regimental colours. By 1775, say, Purchase was no longer necessary. Being Britain outmoded habits survived.
Wherever money is concerned there's opportunity for corruption and there was corruption. Lord Cardigan no doubt paid a premium (to the previous colonel) as well as the statutory amount to Government for colonelcy of the 11th Hussars. Then he spent a small fortune on improved quality uniforms including the 'cherrybum' trousers out of his own pocket.
Sometimes, outstanding men were made officers without Purchase, or existing officers promoted without purchase price differential.
One bad case was Rorke's Drift. Colour Sergeant Bourne DCM, B Coy, 2nd Battalion, 24th South Warwickshire Regiment. He was offered a commission after the battle but had to decline because couldn't afford to purchase a commission.
Added: He was a long liver, ended up a colonel, and gave his account on BBC Radio. A transcription has survived and is on You Tube in two parts. Well worth reading.
He mentioned a lot of interesting information. It wasn't 3,000 or 20,000 Zulu's who attacked. Bourne reckoned them at about 700.
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Made the wrong assumption that he was married with Jane Elizabeth Prosser (x-1900), on 21 November 1861. Think this is another Abbott. Think our CC Abbott should be born in the UK, as the Australian one, died in Australia....
I am not understanding your train of thought. The one born in Van Diemens Land was the one who went to the Falklands, married Jane Elizabeth Butler, nee Prosser, and who died in Weston Super Mare.
His death was announced in the Hobart Mercury https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9136721
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Clear Shaun! You helped me much, very happy with the information. I can't see the birth register, did it noticed 1820 as year of birth?
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Born 11 October 1821, baptised at Hobart 25 February 1822. Parents Edward & Louisa.
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Thanks ShaunJ!
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Hi
Just a thought
There’s a link on here to an item from the Falkland Islands Museum
Have you tried emailing them and local history groups there directl.
A relative of mine captained a ship belonging to the Falkland Islands company and my grandfather went with him. I found some information and a photograph but the museum were really helpful and told me they had loads more information they could look out for me.
Best wishes
Emms