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Seeking information re Julia McCormack who married Martin Darcy in early 1800s. My great grandfather was their son Francis. He migrated to Australia with his wife Honora (also McCormack) in 1850s or 1860s. Any leads gratefully received!
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Hello,
Family Search shows a Julia Darcy (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRGH-32L) death for 1864 which could possibly fit with the time line for your family.
You could send for the certificate http://www.groireland.ie/ which may give you a more precise townland and an informant of death.
As your records are very early, it is difficult to get any information. See here:
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
It looks as though there are no available records pre 1865 for Roman Catholic Records (http://roscommon.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources) and I am unsure about Church of Ireland records (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=2070&civilparish=Ogulla&citycounty=Roscommon).for that period.
regards
heywood
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:) Thank you for your suggestion. I'll follow it up and let you know!
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I have found it difficult to track McCormacks in Tulsk, or at least to connect them with certainty to my family tree, so your message was v welcome!
My great-grandfather was a Patrick McCormack, b. 1827-1828, married Catherine nee Flattery. I think there were at least four children, including my grandfather Michael Patrick, b. 1871, d. 1921. His baptism certificate gives their location as "Lower Manor, Tulsk".
As my grandfather emigrated to S Africa late 19th century, we have no knowledge of the Roscommon McCormacks. Any information and connections would be good.
Patrick McCormack
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I have just spent this evening looking up details of a family that may have a connection
William DARCY (Father Martin)
married Ryefield Carrick-on-Shannon March 4th 1867 (Civil Record Carrick-on-shannon 1867 V3 P90)
Catherine McCORMICK (Father Michael)
They lived in Kilcooley, Tulsk and had 10 children according to the 1911 census of which I have located 9; one of whom was my friends grandmother
I do not have very much as this was only started and looked at tonight but if you think there may be a connection let me know and I'll share what I have so far
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myluck! I'm think that the Martin Darcy, father of William is also the father of my great grandfather, Francis was the father. It is interesting that William also married a McCormack. Whether your Catherine and my Julia are related I wonder about, as Julia McCormack married Martin Darcy. Francis marrying a McCormack is curious enough. Could his brother also have married a McCormack?
mccormack pj: this could be a great connection. I too need time to check some details and I'll get back to you!
Thanks for both leads!
Shrimpton.
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no problem Shrimpton
In my own tree I have two sisters marrying two brothers (my family tree software rebelled!); also in researching my Roscommon roots the number of times I have heard "but that isn't the same family" where there is a common surname! The probably were way back but its been lost in time.
For wonderful complexity I also have a Mannion/Mangan marriage and a Mannion/Manning marriage which I had thought was a spelling variation for a long time!
I have found the 10th child to William DARCY and Catherine McCORMICK and I'm still searching on the family;
for the record their names are Martin, Mary, Julia, Brigid, Catherine, Eliza, Jane, Teresa, Emily and Denis born between 1868 and 1893
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I think your William is definitely my Francis's brother as the given names in both families are common. What I have is that Martin Darcy and Julia McCormack (sometimes with an 'i') married in Kilcooley i 1827. They had 6 children: Thomas, Francis, Martin, Denis, William and Jane. William and Jane stayed in Ireland. Francis Martin and Denis went to Australia.
Thomas (died Ireland 1908) married Honora McNeeve. 9 children
Francis (born Tulsk 1829; died Melbourne 1913) married Honora McCormack. 10 children
Denis (born Elphin 1836, died Victoria Australia1911) married Bridget Byrne nee Kelly. 4 children.
William (born Tulsk, died 1920 Ireland) married Catherine McCormack Elphin, 4 March 1867. 13 children. Five went to America. None of their 3 sons married so the Darcy line ended. Catherine was born in Kilcooley, daughter of Michael McCormack and Brigid Brennan.
Eleven of their children's names as I have were: Maria (died USA), Catherine (nun died South Africa); Jane (married ? Heron,died USA); Julia (married ? Gilroy, died USA); Bridget (married ? O'Brien, died USA); Martin (born 1868, died USA); Elizabeth (born 1878); John B. 1880); Teresa ((b. 1884); Denis (born 1886, died Tulsk); Emily (b. 1890)
Does this connect/help? Very interested to share more to unravel these McCormacks!!
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Although I have a different number of children my information seems to match yours very well!
I think your William is definitely my Francis's brother as the given names in both families are common. I agree!
What I have is that Martin Darcy and Julia McCormack (sometimes with an 'i') married in Kilcooley i 1827.
They had 6 children: Thomas, Francis, Martin, Denis, William and Jane.
William and Jane stayed in Ireland. Did Thomas stay in Ireland?
Francis Martin and Denis went to Australia.
Thomas (died Ireland 1908) married Honora McNeeve. 9 children I have found nine records (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Adarcy~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aroscommon~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1864-1885~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Athomas~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ahonor~)
Francis (born Tulsk 1829; died Melbourne 1913) married Honora McCormack. 10 children Did he marry and have his children in Australia?
Denis (born Elphin 1836, died Victoria Australia1911) married Bridget Byrne nee Kelly. 4 children.Did he marry and have his children in Australia?
William (born Tulsk, died 1920 Ireland) married Catherine McCormack Elphin, 4 March 1867. 13 children. Five went to America. None of their 3 sons married so the Darcy line ended. Catherine was born in Kilcooley, daughter of Michael McCormack and Brigid Brennan. I have from the 1911 Census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Tulsk/Kilcooley/796581/) that they had 10 children but this of course was not always correct
Eleven of their children's names as I have were:
Maria (died USA) I have born May 28 1870 died Jan 24 1945 Rhode Island USA unmarried
Catherine (nun died South Africa) I have born Sep 01 1876 - no other details
Jane (married ? Heron,died USA) I have born Jun 20 1880 - no other details
Julia (married ? Gilroy, died USA) I have born May 11 1872 She married William GILROY and had at least four children; William, Lawrence, Julia and Catherine; she died Feb 10 1944 Rhode Island USA unmarried
Bridget (married ? O'Brien, died USA) I have born May 29 1874 - no other details
Martin (born 1868, died USA) I have born Jun 23 1868 died Oct 02 1938
Elizabeth (born 1878) I have born Nov 18 1878 - no other details
John (B. 1880) I DID NOT HAVE
Teresa ((b. 1884) I have born Apr 26 1884 she married John CONNOLLY/CONNELLY/CONNEELY and lived at Castleplunkett Milltown
Denis (born 1886, died Tulsk) I cannot locate a birth for Denis but he is shown as 11 in 1901 and 26 in 1911 which implies a 5 year variance in his date of birth; I also cannot see a death for a Denis D'Arcy
Emily (b. 1890) I have born ??Roscommon Jul-Sep 1890 V2P244 Possibly died ??Roscommon Jan-Mar 1938 V3 P181
1911 Census for William and Catherine (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Tulsk/Kilcooley/796581/)
1901 Census for William and Catherine (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Tulsk/Kilcooley/1673391/)
1901 Census for Martin D'Arcy (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Tulsk/Clooncullaan/1673338/)
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We do seem to have a connection! My information comes from a Darcy family history written by a 2nd cousin (I think!) in the 1980s or 90s sometime. It was certainly pre-computer data-bases for family history.
Very happy to share more information. Is there a way I can provide my email address 'off-line'?
Yes all bar Mary, Francis' 1st child were born in Australia. My grandmother, Anna was born in Ballarat in 1880. I think about 5 of the 10 children died in early 20s of TB.
As I have quite a bit of information re the Darcys, my hope is to learn more about the McCormacks. I think Honora's (Francis' wife) parents were Patrick and Margaret, and they had several daughters.
Francis' mother, Julia McCormack, I know nothing of her family. As she married Martin in 1829, it is going back a bit!
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McCormackpj: you mentioned your gr. grandfather, Patrick, had several children. Do you know their names and approx. when they were born in 19th century? My gr grandmother, Honora McCormack (b. 1833 ish) :)had several sisters that I'm aware of and her parents were, I think, Patrick and Margaret. I'm wondering if there is any link with your Patrick. Thanks
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Shrimpton
Which relative of mine are you?
I am Maimie's youngest daughter and great grand-daughter of Julia McCormack.
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Not sure who Maimie is, so not sure of relationship. Which Julia is you great grandmother? Sorry need more information to sort out. ???
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My maternal grandmother was Anna D'Arcy (1881-1971). She was the daughter of Francis D'Arcy and Honora McCormack of Tulsk, Roscommon who emigrated to Australia on the Red Jacket in c1864. They had 10 children - Mary (born in Ireland), Julia, Kathleen, Honor, Jane, Martin, Francis, Anna, Harold and Patrick.
My mother Mary (Maimie) was Anna's eldest daughter and one of 8 children.
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Hi mate,
I am wondering if we have the same great (in my case great great) grandfather? Patrick McCormick, born in 1828, Carrowkeel, Tulsk, Ireland. Married to Catherine Flattery, born in 1832 Manor, Tulsk, Ireland. Patrick's daughter Mary E McCormick married James Brennan in 1885, who gave birth to James Brennan my grandfather. I am wondering if this is the same man, would you happen to know Patrick's or Catherine's previous line? I know that Patrick's father is William McCormick, married to Eleanor Dolan, but that's as far as I can go.
It'll be great to hear back from you.
Cheers,
Kieran Brennan
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Kieran -
This looks a possible connection. I find the '-mack' and '-mick' variants are often interchangeable, even now!
Certainly I have a DoB for Patrick McCormack of 1828, married to Catherine nee Flattery. I recently found entries in Griffith's Valuation for Flatterys in Manor, Tulsk, so am able to locate their residences.
I haven't yet found DoB records for your Mary McCormack, only for Anne (1864), Daniel (1867), Thomas (1873) and my grandfather Michael (1871). I do have a picture of Michael, my grandmother and my father in South Africa with a lady identified as 'Kathleen McCormack'. I haven't found any records for her, but perhaps that was not her first name, being possibly Anne or your Mary.
The family story was that my grandfather was the 12th of 13 children. If so, then the eldest would have been born c.1860, barring twins etc. However as I said I haven't yet found DoBs for other McCormack siblings in Tulsk. Perhaps I should look further afield. There are certainly still McCormacks in Tulsk: http://www.irishangus.ie/html/shows_2012.html
TBH, my research into my Irish roots have been rather amateur and undisciplined. No doubt there are plenty of more records to find and connections to be made.
Patrick
Hi mate,
I am wondering if we have the same great (in my case great great) grandfather? Patrick McCormick, born in 1828, Carrowkeel, Tulsk, Ireland. Married to Catherine Flattery, born in 1832 Manor, Tulsk, Ireland. Patrick's daughter Mary E McCormick married James Brennan in 1885, who gave birth to James Brennan my grandfather. I am wondering if this is the same man, would you happen to know Patrick's or Catherine's previous line? I know that Patrick's father is William McCormick, married to Eleanor Dolan, but that's as far as I can go.
It'll be great to hear back from you.
Cheers,
Kieran Brennan
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Kieran -
I've been digging in Griffith's Valuation and found a load more McCorma/icks around Tulsk, also the Flatterys of Manor, Killukin and a John Brennan also in Manor.
Have you used Griffith's Valuation? It's available free of charge here: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch) I like it 'cos you can print pages from the Valuation and also view, zoom, scroll a map showing the plots, which is excellent for showing where the occupiers I'm interested in are located.
Patrick
Hi mate,
I am wondering if we have the same great (in my case great great) grandfather? Patrick McCormick, born in 1828, Carrowkeel, Tulsk, Ireland. Married to Catherine Flattery, born in 1832 Manor, Tulsk, Ireland. Patrick's daughter Mary E McCormick married James Brennan in 1885, who gave birth to James Brennan my grandfather. I am wondering if this is the same man, would you happen to know Patrick's or Catherine's previous line? I know that Patrick's father is William McCormick, married to Eleanor Dolan, but that's as far as I can go.
It'll be great to hear back from you.
Cheers,
Kieran Brennan
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Well there certainly are connections but I'm not clear about what they are! I have Patrick and Hannah (no actual evidence around her name) with children: Mary, Honora, Ann and Jane, plus one other female who married a Brennan. Mary married a Stephen Noonan, Ann married a 1st cousin Bernard Coyne, Jane married a Thomas Connor, and my link Honora married Francis Darcy. Does this provide any clues for other connections?
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Not sure if you are Kieran using a different profile name or someone else!
Do you have any dates for any of these names? It would help to tie up the various strands.
I have downloaded all McCormacks in Roscommon from the 1901 and 1911 censuses and will try to make sense of it later. I will concentrate on those in and near Tulsk and see what I come up with.
Patrick
Well there certainly are connections but I'm not clear about what they are! I have Patrick and Hannah (no actual evidence around her name) with children: Mary, Honora, Ann and Jane, plus one other female who married a Brennan. Mary married a Stephen Noonan, Ann married a 1st cousin Bernard Coyne, Jane married a Thomas Connor, and my link Honora married Francis Darcy. Does this provide any clues for other connections?
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Patrick, I'm Shrimpton who started this thread a while ago and just discovered your posts and Kierans. Dates are mid 1800s. See earlier response to myluck where there are quite a few dates given.
Must fly now but will respond in more detailed over weekend! Cheers
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I am descended from the Mc Cormacks of Ogulla Tulsk. My great grandfather was Patrick Mc Cormack amd my grandmother was Kate (Catherine) McCormack. See 1901 and 1911 Census. However I don't know of a relationship between my family and the D'arcys of Kilcooley. However,I know the house where the D'Arcys lived in Kilcooley. Denis b. 1883? never married and died circa 1960's was a well known herdsman with a vast knowledge of remedies and cures for amimals passed down through generations. I have heard many stories about him from my dad. I know some people in the locality who remember him quite well. The D'arcy homestead is now owned by MJ Simpson. The house is intact somewhat and used as a store for hay and is on the Strokestown /Tulsk road.
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Hey, I just came across these posts so hope you're still watching the forum. Julia Darcy married to Martin Darcy are my great-great-great grandparents through their daughter Jane HAMMELL (born DARCY) b. 1844 d.1929. Her daugher, Mary Jane Rogers (Born HAMMELL) is my great grandmother. She had 8 kids.
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Hi FionaAnne, I think the link is that your Jane was the sister of my great grandfather Francis Darcy. I know quite a lot about the Darcy family but not so the McCormacks. (Julia DArcy was a McCormack.)
Happy to share further information. Shrimpton
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Yes, I believe that's correct. I can't seem to find anything before Martin Darcy and Julia Darcy/McCormack. It seems two of their sons married McCormack's also. Any theories?
Also, I've another McCormack in my family tree. Julia Darcy/McCormack + Martin Darcy = Jane Darcy/Hammell. Her daughter was Mary Jane Rogers/Hammell and her daughter was Mary Jane McCormack (born Rogers)
I'm finding variations of Darcy. It's sometimes spelt D'Arcy and D'arcy. Have you found that to be the case also?
Any info you have would be appreciated. Current blanks I'm trying to fill in:
Did Dennis and Martin Darcy Jr marry?
Do you know the exact birth year of William Darcy? Birth and Death year of Martin Darcy Jr?
What were the names of Francis Darcy kids? I only have an Anna Darcy b.1880 or 1881 d.1971 in Australia
Please let me know if you want anything about the Jane Hammell line. (Sometimes, its spelt Hamill)
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If you go back to the beginning of this thread you'll see lots of dates and names that will be relevant. :)
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Hi,
I am very very new to all of this! I am frantically searching for my Great Grandmothers information, Jane Darcy of Tulsk, Roscommon, daughter of William and Catherine (McCarmick) Darcy. Would you be willing to share some of the Darcy information that you have from the family history? Jane immigrated to the US and married William Herron (Heron). They resided in Providence RI and had three children, William, Gladys, and Catherine.
I am visiting Roscommon Ireland in May and would be thrilled to be able to visit their homestead and graves. If you have any information that you can share I would be ever so appreciative! Thank you in advance!
We do seem to have a connection! My information comes from a Darcy family history written by a 2nd cousin (I think!) in the 1980s or 90s sometime. It was certainly pre-computer data-bases for family history.
Very happy to share more information. Is there a way I can provide my email address 'off-line'?
Yes all bar Mary, Francis' 1st child were born in Australia. My grandmother, Anna was born in Ballarat in 1880. I think about 5 of the 10 children died in early 20s of TB.
As I have quite a bit of information re the Darcys, my hope is to learn more about the McCormacks. I think Honora's (Francis' wife) parents were Patrick and Margaret, and they had several daughters.
Francis' mother, Julia McCormack, I know nothing of her family. As she married Martin in 1829, it is going back a bit!
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Hey, I don't know much about Jane Darcy Heron. She is my first cousin three times removed. I'd love to hear more about anything you know about that side of the family tree!
So Jane Heron's father was William Darcy (who died in 1920) and he married Catherine McCormick. They had at least 11 children (possibly 13):
Martin b. 1868 & d. 1938 in Warwick, RI
Maria b. 1870 & d. 1945 in Cranston, Providence, RI
Julia b. 1872 & d. 1944 in Bristol, RI (married William Gilroy and had 4 kids)
Bridget Darcy b. 1874, married O'Brien and died in the USA
Sr. Catherine b. 1st September 1876 and d. in South Africa
Elizabeth b. 1878 & DOD unknown
John b. 12th June 1880
Jane b. 20th June 1880 (clearly, I've a fact wrong here)
Teresa b. 1884 and d. 1870 in Co. Roscommon. She married Edward Connelly and had 2 girls.
Dennis b. 1886 and DOD unknown but died in Co. Roscommon
Emily b. 1890 & d. 1938
William Darcy's parents were Martin Darcy and Julia Darcy (born McCormack)
They had 6 children:
Thomas
Francis Darcy b. 1829
Martin Darcy Jr.
William
Denis
Jane Hammil b. 1844 - my great great grandmother
Let me know if any of this sounds familiar.
- Fiona
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Tulsk/Kilcooley/1673391/
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Tulsk/Kilcooley/796581/
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Hi Fiona,
Thanks so much for the information, it has been extremely helpful!
Jane (Jennie) Darcy married William Francis Heron (Herron) on October 7, 1912 in Providence, RI. They had 3 children: William Herron, Katherine Herron, and Gladys Herron. Jane passed away on December 10, 1957. I hope this is somewhat helpful!
Best,
Stephanie
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Great thanks. Are all William and Jane's children still living? and did they have any children?