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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Steffani on Wednesday 21 November 12 03:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm looking for Infomation on William Trotter. Born about 1836, Ednam, Roxburghshire
I'm having trouble Confirming his birth and Marriage Information.
I have him on the 1861 Census living in Kelso with wife Margaret (M.S. Buchanan) and Son Thomas (brn 1858). In 1871, he is on the Census with wife Margaret and Children Thomas, William (brn 1866) and Mary (brn 1863) Searching on Family Search also revealed another son James (brn 1869)
I have also located him on the 1881 census in Kelso and 1891 Census in Edinburgh.
In 1900 Margaret dies in Kelso and he dies in Kelso in 1910.
On his death Cert his parents are listed as James Trotter and mother just as m.s. Douglas. Having searched on both Family Search and Scotlands people does not reveal any children named William to these parents or even a marriage for James Trotter & ? Douglas. He dies in the poorhouse.
Searching for a William Trotter born about 1836 in Ednam reveals a Christening record listing parents as Andrew Trotter and Jean Broomfield. This appears to be the only William born in this area at that time.
I would really appreciate some help on this.
Thanks
Death certificate image removed - copyright
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I note on the 1841 census that there are 3 William's born about 1836.
1 parents Andrew & Jean as you mention in Kelso.
2 parents William & Alison at Smailholm.
3 - at Wood Market Kelso, Trotter's living with others but no apparent parents listed. Eldest, Douglas Trotter age 20 and 5 others all younger, William age 6 is the second youngest?
Maybe worth looking at this family?
Colin
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Hi ,
William Trotter with Margaret Buchanan in 1861 is showing as born in Kelso -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=79311096
William Trotter born Ednam , parents Andrew and Jane in 1861 -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=73203074
As Colin suggests the Wood Market Kelso family may be the one to look at.
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79302166
(Although William is showing as not born in Roxburgh ?)
ev
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http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=79306155
1851 Census transcrition above which would seem to match up with that 1841 Census
A link has been added to the 1861 Census but it is marked as "doubtful" :-\
At least the William Trotter born to Andrew and Jean does not look like the one who married Margaret Buchanan.
ev
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Would the parents marriage not show on the birth certificates of later children ?
In birth certificates since 1861 however, the date and place of the parents' marriage was reinstated. Scotlandspeople(It was dropped after 1855)
ev
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Bingo found the Marriage for William and Margaret on Son Williams Birth Certificate. 11 Nov 1857 at Coldstream.
Now to find the Marriage cert for William and Margaret, which hopefully will list his parents. (fingers crossed)
Thanks for all the help, I was wondering about Andrew and Jean as parents, (lead astray by an ancestry family tree in my early days) The 1861 Census for Andrew and Jean have a son William living with them in Coldingham Berwickshire and my William is listed as living with Wife Margaret and eldest son Thomas in Kelso on this Census. I think I will elimimate them as possible parents.
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Well there is a marriage for William Trotter / Margaret GIBSON 1857 Coldstream Berwick :-\
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTLW-Z92
ev
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Well there is a marriage for William Trotter / Margaret GIBSON 1857 Coldstream Berwick :-\
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTLW-Z92
ev
No it doesn't seem to match.
It lists William Trotter's age as 28 This makes him too old. (according to the census he was born anout 1836-1838.
Also Margaret is listed as a spinster, it may of been a possibility if she was a widow, second marriage and all that.
The certificate also says it was signed by him which sugggests he could write, the B cert for son william just has a X which to me suggests he was illiterate. Also Occupation is listed as Ploughman, on the 1861 Census his occuparion is listed as a Labourer, later census's have him as a gardener and nursery Labourer.
So I don't think that is him, thanks anyway. Looks like Family search is online for me again, so I'll keep looking too.
Thanks
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Sorry if I put a scanner in the work :o- but looking at the Kelso Poor Law records your william was born circa 1833 at Legerwood
father James & Mothers maiden name Douglas
address: on record 9 Mill Wynd, Kelso
William died 18 June 1910 Kelso
record mentioned children Thomas born 1869 living at 39 Victoria Road, Kirkcaldy and Mary born 1876 m. John McNab, Cabman, 226 Leith Walk, Leith
no spouse listed.
also had a look for other trotters and found
William and Margaret Buchanan's Daugther-in-law
Margaret Fylnn (born 1862) wife of their son William a Gardener d. 27. 5.1899 Kelso her address was listed as Dalmeny, Edinburgh. Went to Kirkcaldy
her parents are John Flynn, Gardener & Bridget Flynn, 16 Sandport Street, Leith
her children listed are Margaret Buchanan b. 8.5.1893 17 Roxburgh St., Edinburgh; John b.4. 3.1895 West Pilton, Cramond. Sent to Indus School, Dumfries; William b.12.1896 Grindon, Northumberland & Thomas b. 24. 5.1898 Grindon, Northumberland
Had a look at the census record 1851
Family living at Gray's Close, Kelso
no mention of Father James Trotter
mother stated as Jean Trotter a pauper Widow 63 b Stow
William Trotter16 servant b legerwood
brother George Trotter 32 railway labourer b oldhamstock
sister margaret Trotter 20 servant b coldstream
nephew John Lamb 7 b Kelso
hope this helps
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Might just be a coincidence but William and Margaret are living at Gray's Close in 1881.
A lot of conflicting evidence for William Trotter's birthplace and age.
From what terianne has found in the Kelso Poor Law records(b. c1833 Legerwood) would seem to match up with the 1851 Census in Gray's Close.
Jane/Jean Trotter with son George in 1861 -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=79308096
Is this George ?(East Lothian not Berwick) -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTYH-D2Z
Jane Totter(other surname Graham) death 1867 Kelso Roxburgh , born c1788(SP)
ev
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Thanks Terianne and ev for the info
I'm slowly working my way through the info from terianne and so far have found both marriages for Mary and William, which confirm the marriage date of Parents William and Margaret. Still can't narrow down a marriage on SP though. (maybe they never officially married??? :-*)
I agree ev about the birth of William snr, so much conflicting info. Maybe he just didn't really know where he was born? I don't know much about the area they lived in at the time but it seems the family were quite poor.
Where do you find the poorhouse records are they avaiable online?
Stephanie
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Might just be a coincidence but William and Margaret are living at Gray's Close in 1881.
A lot of conflicting evidence for William Trotter's birthplace and age.
From what terianne has found in the Kelso Poor Law records(b. c1833 Legerwood) would seem to match up with the 1851 Census in Gray's Close.
Jane/Jean Trotter with son George in 1861 -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=79308096
Is this George ?(East Lothian not Berwick) -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTYH-D2Z
Jane Totter(other surname Graham) death 1867 Kelso Roxburgh , born c1788(SP)
ev
Have had a look at the death Cert for this Jane Trotter, Matches the 1861 Census Address and is right age. Witness is Son Alexander (coincedence that the 1841 census info you suggested earlier has an Alex on it??, haved viewed this on Ancestry.com and it just lists place of birth as scotland, not very helpful)
Janes parents are listed as James Graham and no name for mother m.s is not very easy to read. Also states widow of Thomas.
It's possible that this is her, can't spot a marriage between a Jean/jane Graham and Thomas Trotter, will keep looking though
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The IGI has the following children -
https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Atrotter~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Athomas~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Atrotter~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajane~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Agraham~
ev
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Yay ev, I think you are onto something there, certainly ties up with the Census info. Throws in a new child (Thomas) just to confuse the picture.
Going to head to bed here, it's nearly midnight her in little old NZ, I really appreciate all your help. You also gave me some help in my queary re the Ritchies in Forgandenny Perth. These 2 families are connected when William and Margaret's son Thomas marries Jane Ritchie in 1877. They have a son Thomas who is my great Grandfather. So I thank you again for all your time and effort, I really aprreciate it.
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just in case you are confused about the county oldhamstock comes into over the years it have moved between Berwickshire and East Lothian because it right of the limits of the two its near Cockburnspath, Berwickshire
Also the same thing has happening with Stow, sometimes is in Berwickshire, Selkirkshire or Mid Lothian dependent of boundary changes.
With regards to the Kelso Poor Law info I gave you - I don't think its online yet. I used the CD compiled by the Late Audrey Mitchell which is available form the Borders Family History Society - their CD's are good - you can buy them - see they Website,(www.bordersfhs.org.uk) they have a good stock of Local CD's ie MI, Poor Law, etc & also run a forum and research service.
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just in case you are confused about the county oldhamstock comes into over the years it have moved between Berwickshire and East Lothian because it right of the limits of the two its near Cockburnspath, Berwickshire
Also the same thing has happening with Stow, sometimes is in Berwickshire, Selkirkshire or Mid Lothian dependent of boundary changes.
Thanks for that wee gem of info, it certainly confuses me trying to work out where everything fits in. It's like trying to work with the Electoral Boundaries in NZ, which is what rely on a lot of the time to track where families lived and moved to as the Census records here were not kept. :(
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Hello. I'm searching for some information on William Trotter. I've trace my history back to his birth in Jedburgh in 1865. It also says he married Caroline Dill in Gowery in 1715. It also shows he had a son named Ephraim that was born in 1702 here in the United States. Apparently from a previous marriage or? they had three children named James, Phillip, and Nancy. Does anyone have any information about William.
Thank you,
Venton