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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: roni smith on Wednesday 21 November 12 22:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi there just joined roots, my husbands family owned Ewanrigg Hall in the late 2800s and 1900s trying to locate anyone who knows any thing about this Hall and its previous owners, Know Fletcher Christian HMS Bounty etc but not of any other owners, Can anyone help thanks, my husband is from Maryport but we now live in Canada, His Uncle owned Ewanrigg Gardens thanks
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Dear Roni,
Not a lot of information I am afraid but I looked at the last eight census records for the UK and came up with the following but bear in mind that the census lists the occupants not necessarily the actual owner.
All relate to the Hall unless otherwise stated.
1841 - Augustus Hilliary
1851 - Henry I. Christian
1861 - William Poole / Betty Fletcher / John Nicolson / Mary Allwork / John Poole
1871 - John R Beadle
1881 - Joseph Bell (Gardens) / Benjamin Wood (Hall Farm)
1891 - No record
1901 - John Mcdonald & John Bell (Ewanrigg Farm) / John Lee ( Hall Farm)
1911 - William Kitson Ellwood / Joseph Bell (Gardens)
Regards,
fifthwheel
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Hi there, thanks for the information it was helpful the family Bell was a realative. But still searching for the smith family, my fatherinlaw and his family.Regards roni
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Sadly Ewanrigg Hall was recently burnt down by arsonists!
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This is very interesting. The 1861 census has John Nicholson as the head of Ewanrigg Hall. His daughter was Louisa Jane who had the great misfortune of meeting and marrying one of my ancestors, Leonard Chambers Collins. He treated her very badly, conned her out of her inheritance and left the family destitute. They were divorced and he died in a Wormwood Scrubs prison where he was serving 10 years hard labour. John Nicholson wa the proprietor of a coal mine. They are not living there in 1871, I think by then he had died.
This does not help your search but it just shows that it is a small world.
Alan
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Hi there, thanks for the information it was helpful the family Bell was a realative. But still searching for the smith family, my fatherinlaw and his family.Regards roni
Which Smiths in Maryport?
I'm a Smith.
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Hi there just joined roots, my husbands family owned Ewanrigg Hall in the late 2800s and 1900s trying to locate anyone who knows any thing about this Hall and its previous owners, Know Fletcher Christian HMS Bounty etc but not of any other owners, Can anyone help thanks, my husband is from Maryport but we now live in Canada, His Uncle owned Ewanrigg Gardens thanks
Doris Riley who lives in Ewanrigg Hall's gardens has written a book on it.
THE RISE AND FALL OF EWANRIGG HALL.
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Well i will be damned. Sorry to necro the thread.
John Nicholson of the above hall had a daughter named Mary Greenhow Nicholson she was my 3rd great aunty.. I have all of their kids info if anyone is interested. The house has a bit of a mad history.
Spouse & Children
Mary Paisley
1823–1902
Peter William Nicholson
1845–1881
Thomas Westray Nicholson
1847–1876
Mary Greenhow Nicholson
1848–1952
Joseph Nicholson
1850–1855
Anne Nicholson
1851–1925
John B Nicholson
1854–1939
Joseph Curwen Nicholson
1856–1915
Louise Nicholson
1858–1889
Frederick Nicholson
1859–1903
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By the way thanks to everyone who inputted into the thread. I just stumbled upon this and it has helped my search out so much. Also google Mutiny on the bounty and Ewanrigg hall. Some good interesting stuff
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Hi there. I should be very interested to see what you know about Louise as she is the poor girl who married my ancestor. What happened to her after the divorce. Did she re-marry.
Many thanks
Alan
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Hi there. I should be very interested to see what you know about Louise as she is the poor girl who married my ancestor. What happened to her after the divorce. Did she re-marry.
Many thanks
Alan
Will have a look for you later 8)
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This is very interesting. The 1861 census has John Nicholson as the head of Ewanrigg Hall. His daughter was Louisa Jane who had the great misfortune of meeting and marrying one of my ancestors, Leonard Chambers Collins. He treated her very badly, conned her out of her inheritance and left the family destitute. They were divorced and he died in a Wormwood Scrubs prison where he was serving 10 years hard labour. John Nicholson wa the proprietor of a coal mine. They are not living there in 1871, I think by then he had died.
This does not help your search but it just shows that it is a small world.
Alan
John Nicholson died in 1866, The Louise Jane married another named
William Elliot Patterson but no dates for that yet(presume after Leonard). May i ask how or a link to the Leonard info? Any thing else i find i will post it.
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John Nicholson died in 1866, Then Louise Jane married another named
William Elliot Patterson but no dates for that yet(presume after Leonard).
That was in 1889-
Marriages Mar 1889
Collins Louisa Jane Cockermouth 10b 797
Pattinson William Elliot Cockermouth 10b 797
quickly followed by-
Deaths Jun 1889
PATTINSON Louisa Jane 31 Wigton 10b 329
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John Nicholson died in 1866, Then Louise Jane married another named
William Elliot Patterson but no dates for that yet(presume after Leonard).
That was in 1889-
Marriages Mar 1889
Collins Louisa Jane Cockermouth 10b 797
Pattinson William Elliot Cockermouth 10b 797
quickly followed by-
Deaths Jun 1889
PATTINSON Louisa Jane 31 Wigton 10b 329
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Wowza, Died a few months after marriage? Thanks for the info. Will find the records. She would be my 3rd great Aunty. Means my records are messed up as i have death in 1915 (i think). Would anyone know how to find the info on how the Nicholsons came to head the house. Could they of bought it or would it be through blood or marriage.
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Are you on ancestry, if so you can look up Leonard Chambers Collins in my tree. There are two divorce cases to look at which are very interesting but quite sad. There is a bit more about him at the end of the thread regarding Reverend William Bookless.
What a poor girl. A wonderful start to her life then she meets and marries this monster. I was hoping that she did die in 1915, at least she would have had a happier end. To die the same year as her second marriage, not fair. Leonard contracted syphillis, no doubt he gave this to Louisa which may then have been the cause of her demise.
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Yes i am on ancestory UK. I just searched and found one link to a Whole family tree. But the info on their is just a few records and nothing else. Dont know if thats your tree but would love to read any info you had on this. If you could send me a link here or in a p.m that would be great . Also as he is a distant ancestor of yours i will accept compensation via paypal or bank transfer (joke).
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Hi there, send me a Private Message with your email address and I shall send an invite to the tree. Payment is the satisfaction of thinking that you know more than someone else and can help them. However, the benefit of Rootschat is that you soon find that you know less than someone else and that they are wiling to help you.
Alan
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Hi there, send me a Private Message with your email address and I shall send an invite to the tree. Payment is the satisfaction of thinking that you know more than someone else and can help them. However, the benefit of Rootschat is that you soon find that you know less than someone else and that they are wiling to help you.
Alan
Will do thanks.
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John Nicholson's will is lodged with the archives at Carlisle. I shall go and have a look at it next week and report back with anything interesting.
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John Nicholson's will is lodged with the archives at Carlisle. I shall go and have a look at it next week and report back with anything interesting.
Thank you so so much. This will mean so much not only to me but to my aunty. She is following this and is the gate keeper to all our family history. All her info stopped just before the nicholsons so this will help.
;D
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Could you send me that photograph of John Nicholson. Do you have one of Louisa? I imagine her to be small and delicate.
Alan
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Could you send me that photograph of John Nicholson. Do you have one of Louisa? I imagine her to be small and delicate.
Alan
No problem. Unfortunately i only have one of him and his father. PM me your email and i will send them to you.
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Just got the death certificate for Louisa Jane. The poor girl died of alcoholism and bronchitis at the age of 31. So the monster drove her to drink. She died the same year as her horrible ex husband. Just shows that money does not equal happiness.
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Just got the death certificate for Louisa Jane. The poor girl died of alcoholism and bronchitis at the age of 31. So the monster drove her to drink. She died the same year as her horrible ex husband. Just shows that money does not equal happiness.
WOWZA. Thanks for the info. Did you manage to get a copy of it? Thats a bad way to go. Poor girl. Thanks for your record searches.
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Hi. My Grandmother was Annie Greenhow Nicholson, born in 1860. She lived at Ewanrigg Hall and I think her father, my Great Grandfather, was John Nicholson. Her name is not mentioned in your list of children. She married Anthony Blackstock Dalzell of Liverpool. I'd be grateful for any further information. I have what I believe is a photo of her. Does anyone have any further information on the Nicholson family?
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This is all very exciting. I have a photo of John Nicholson that was posted by another Roots chat member. I shall reply in more detail later when I have time. Your Annie must be the sister of my Louisa. What a poor sad life she had.
Alan
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Look back on the thread and you can see the photo.
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Welcome to the site by the way. You will find it fascinating and people bend over backwards to help. Once you have made three posts I shall be able to send you a personal message with my email address. I can then send you a copy of the will of John Nicholson and lots of other stuff. Alan
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I don't think Annie had a horrible life like Louisa did. She and A B Dalzell lived a fairly comfortable life as A B was owner of a ship's chandler or fitters business in Liverpool. They had 5 children, 3 boys & 2 girls. The youngest, a girl, (another Annie I think) died aged 14. My father. John, emigrated to Australia & hence I am Australian!
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I am just looking at the 1911 census. AB calls himself a ship store merchant. They are living on Breck/Beck road. Annie seemed to have died in 1925.
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Yes, she died in 1925. I have letters written by her daughter to my father as their mother was dying. I think A B died the next year. We have a large photo of a woman we think might be Annie but there is no identification on it.
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AB died 12th March 1926. Do you know that they called their house Ewanrigg. He left a will for £8269 with the executor being Evelyn Mary Dor lisa Taylor, wife of Edmund Collins Taylor.
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Evelyn Taylor was dad's sister married th "Teddy" Taylor. I have met a son, Peter, now deceased & his wife, Anne. I didn't know about the will. Quite sizable for the times I would say. I take it you have actually determined that Annie Greenhow Nicholson was really one of John Nicholson's offspring. I have no details of her family connections. My father called our house in Australia, Ewanrigg.
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Annie is on the 1861 census with father John Nicholson living at Ewanrigg Hall. She is 9 so was born about 1852. She is living with her mother in Flimby on the 1871 census. Her mother is retired, Annie us shown as being a Lady. Where does the name Greenhow come from? I can not find this middle name on any documentation.
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Annie we baptised 10 sep1851 at Brigham. Father John Nicholson, mother Mary. No mention of Greenhow though.
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I have a China mug which I understood is a christening cup with handwriting (beautiful script) Annie Greenhow Nicholson 1860. Hence I assumed that was about the time of her birth. Is there such a thing as a Confirmation cup then? Don't have any ideas about Greenhow. Name of Mary Greenhow Nicholson in the list previously posted alerted me to enquire about my grandmother, Annie. It's all a mystery .
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It is a mystery. The Annie who married ABD was definitely born 1851/52. She did have a sister Mary Greenhow born about 1848. I can only think that it was a confirmation cup. Were such things given as presents?
I have looked in other people's family trees and nowhere can I find a Greenhow. The only coincidental thing that I can find is that when they move to Flimby they are next door but one to a George Greenhow.
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Greenhow is a Maryport surname.
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I have a very good photo of Annie Greenhow Nicholson which I will post when I've figured how to do it!