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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: scarlettlady on Thursday 22 November 12 11:28 GMT (UK)
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I need to find the birth register for a frederick Knight circ 1864/5 he was an Anstey man and the Knights had lived in Anstey for many years. I dont have his parents christian names but his mothers maiden name was Robinson. He was my grandad William Edward Knights father. Any help would be welcome as im near to drawing a blank with this one.
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Hi
You have posted on the Beginners board - Which Anstey please? Herts or Leics
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hi there it is Anstey in Leicester
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Who did Frederick marry and when?
Do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name and occupation?
Did Frederick have any middle name?
Was William Edward Knight born 1900 Leics?
Where did you get Robinson from as Frederick's mothers maiden name?
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I can't find any Knights in Anstey (Leicestershire) until 1911? ???
Then William (b 1876) and Mary (1877) and children.
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1901 has a Willie Knight parents Frederick & Alice but Frederick was b Yorks 1871
and Alice was nee Baker
There is an 1871 entry for a Frederick Warner Knight - parents Frederick (b Anstey) & Selina. I discounted it as Selina was nee Murby not Robinson
There is no Knight/Robinson marriage in Leics on freebmd in the 1860's - nearest is 1850 Oakham - Henry Knight but the IGI shows he married Julia Littledyke
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I think you will need a copy of Fredericks marriage cert. No match to an Anstey birthplace pre-1911
See these 1871 entries - quite a number match the birthyear but not the specific birthplace
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X35H-428
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VFTJ-3NJ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X35S-S7L
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X354-1JR
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X35H-N4J
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:) :) :)Hi
my mums work boss lives in Ansty can ask them to ask around for you also a reind whos a hair dresser there .
Danone
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Thanks so much Danone ...ive heard Anstey is a small village or was my line of Knights seem to have come from there, my father also had an uncle Arnold Knight who run an off licence in Cosby in Leicester. The Knights seem to have been deocrators, and fairground painters maybe of gypsy origin. Maybe there is a local church in Anstey where their records could be found.
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Scarlettlady
You really need to answer some of the questions already asked if you want us to help you.
Can't find a family that adds up to the information you've given.
Specifically, when and where was your grandfather William Edward Knight born - and as CaroleW has already asked, where did you get his mothers surname of Robinson from?
As to Frederick - there is certainly no Frederick bc.1864/5 Anstey so we need to know specifics re. your grandfather William Edward Knight to enable us to locate Frederick.
Annette
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Hi scarlettlady yes there is a church just round the corner from were my mum works the libary does have census thereas well ,my mums birth cert is there as well as she was born her in markfield lane newtown linford ,as it was under barrow upon soar and ansty has those censu there if i get some time will go and have a llok ,not been down there for a long time
Danone
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??? hi annette
This is what i have as knowledge of my grantfather
William Edward Knights birthdate: 17.02.1889
he was born in staffordshire i think and his mothers name was Elizabeth Knight nee Arnold she was born in cambridge in or around 1864 and died in 1929 after having married to a second husband named on her death cert as james sylvester she may have married in 1884 or thereabouts. i dont know for certain his father was a frederick knight im only going on what ive been told. i dont have much more information than that im afraid. thanks
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William Edward Knights birthdate: 17.02.1889 he was born in staffordshire i think
The only birth on freebmd was in Kettering which is in Northamptonshire
and his mothers name was Elizabeth Knight nee Arnold
There is no marriage on freebmd between a male surname Knight and a female surname Arnold
and died in 1929 after having married to a second husband named on her death cert as james sylvester
Nor is there a James Sylvester marriage to an Elizabeth Knight/Arnold
There appears to be a lot of unsubtantiated info for it to be reliable. Do you have a copy of William Edward's birth cert which confirms his fathers name and mothers name and maiden name.
and died in 1929
An Elizabeth L Sylvester died in Leics in 1929 - what does the L stand for?
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Believe I have found the family but I'm afraid there is no connection to Anstey that I can see at all and William Edward wasn't born in Staffordshire!
Frederick Knight and Elizabeth Arnold appear to have married in the June quarter of 1880 at Wisbech, Cambridgeshire.
In 1881 18 year old Elizabeth Knight, married, living with a Samuel and Emma Lee as a visitor - ref. RG11 - 3119 - 74 -20. Think Emma was Elizabeth's sister. She is shown as bc.1863 Blaby, Leicestershire. Frederick Knight - shown as married and living by himself at 7 Russell Street, Wisbech - is a Plumber, Glazier and Painter aged 30 i.e. bc.1851 at Huntingdon, Hunts.
1891 - ref. RG12 - 1219 - 5 - 4 - at Middleton, Northampton
Elizabeth Knight 26 (lost a couple of years) shown as the wife of a Journeyman Painter b.Blaby, Leicestershire
Arnold Knight 9 b. Wisbech, Cambridgeshire
Leonard F. Knight 7 ditto
William E. Knight 2 b. Middleton, Northamptonshire
Cannot find Frederick in 1891.
In 1901 - ref. RG13 - 2951 -118 - 5 - is a lodger in Dunton Bassett, Leics. but it states he is single!
I cannot find Elizabeth and the 3 children above plus any others that might have been born after.
1871 - Dingley, Northamptonshire - ref. RG10 - 3224 - 58 - 1
James Arnold 42 Gardener Domestic Servt. b. Brutenthorpe (?), Leics.
Sarah Arnold 42 b. Wanlip, Leics.
Emma Arnold 17 b. Bitteswell, Leics.
Sarah Arnold 12 ditto
Harry Arnold 9 ditto
Elizabeth Arnold 8 b. Blaby, Leics.
1861 Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire - ref. RG9 - 975 - 25 - 12
William Knight 43 Ironmongers Porter b. Papworth St. Everard, Cambs.
Ann Knight 45 b. Huntingdon
Edward Knight 12 ditto
Ellen Knight 11 ditto
Frederick Knight 10 ditto
Emma Knight 8 ditto
Charles Knight 7 ditto
Julia Knight 5 ditto
William Knight 1 ditto
Louisa Knight under 2 mos. ditto
So, from ca.1818 to 1891 there is no connection at all to Anstey, nor to Staffordshire albeit where they may have ended up.
Where were Elizabeth and her boys in 1901??
Annette
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And here's the Sylvester marriage - shown as Silvester
Marriages September qtr 1913
Elizabeth Knight / James Silvester Leicester 7a 622
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thanks so much everyone who helped me on this its solved a family mystery as to where great grandfather fred knight was born and also great grandmother elizabeth knight nee arnold. Her first husband fred knight died young about early fifties i was told in leicesterof a heart attack, their marriage was never a happy one and they both seperated before my grandad william edward was very old. thats why fred is shown as single on the census of 1901.i can quite understand how they were travelling up and down the country so much but ive been told they were gypsies of some sort. once again thanks everyone. anstey was a substantial red herring as starting point for my research but the Arnold family and the knights seem to have had family members in cambridgeshire and leicester.
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:) :) :)Hi scarlett lady
did some checking in ansty village the libary does have some census there so may be they have what you want they do have them printed out as well thats how i found my mums marraige
.Danone
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In Anstey I have a Frederick Knight chr 7 sep 1828 with Parents listed as well.
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Phil