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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: markharrison1973 on Thursday 22 November 12 14:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi wonder if anyone can help.
Trying to trace any further Information about John Brown, husband of Elizabeth Hexton.
John is deceased when daughter Elizabeth gets married to Walter Brown in 1871.
John is staying at 47 Shaw Street In 1861
John Brown 64 Head seaman born Glasgow
Elizabeth Brown 55
Margaret Brown 20
Elizabeth Brown 17
William Brown 15
James Brown 12
in 1851 his family are living at 51 Shaw Street.
Elizabeth Brown 50 Head seaman's wife born Paisley, Renfrew
Mary Brown 17 dau seamstree born Greenock
Margt Brown 10 dau born Greenock
Elizabeth Brown 7 dau born Greenock
William Brown 5 son born Greenock
James Brown 2 son born Greenock
Cant find him in 1841 or 1851 Census, possibly away at sea.
Trying to esablish when died so that i can download death Cert and possibly get parents names.
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At age 64 in 1861 it's possible (though not guaranteed) that he died on land rather than at sea
Scotlands People is the only website where you will find that information and it is a paysite (credits purchase)
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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A basic search on the SP index shows only 2 matches in Renfrew for John Brown aged 63-75 who died between 1861-1871
Have you already viewed either of those entries?
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Yeah Carole. I'm aware of that.
Was wondering if anyone else had any leads or resourses.
I've done a search and there are quite a few John browns.
One of which i thought matched perfectly but not to be.
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I've done a search and there are quite a few John browns
As per my reply above - only 2 matches based on the 1861 info given
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unfortunately there are quite a few with no ages against in 1864-1865.
I wish scotlands people would introduce occupation to the search.
The info is there after all.
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Recently discovered John Brown, Mariner, at 47 Shaw Street Greenock in the 1869-70 Greenock Post office Directory. Only Mrs Brown in 1870-71 Directory. I presume he died either late 1869 or early 1870 as these directories were published in June. Regards Mark.
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Trying to find out if there is any records of the Hexton family in the Paisley area.
Elizabeth Married John Brown a Seaman / Mariner in 1829 and lived in Greenock. Details as Above.
Trying to establish parents names. Death Certificate has no details and the marriage was too early for ant parents details be recorded.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Managed to find an Elizabeth Brown on Family Search for 1841 census wondering if its the right family. Should say something like seamans wife and should have a daughter called Margaret 3 or 4 months old. Age would be approximately 40 in 1841. Anybody have any further info. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Struggling to see them so far in 1841 :-\ Margaret born in early March https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYSH-QG6 and census in 1841 on 6 June. She should be on there along with a sister Mary born c.1834? A brother William b. 1839 (who may died by 1841 given name re-used in 1845).
Monica
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A possibility for Elizabeth's details https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJF-87V Elizabeth and Isabel/la are common variants - see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=isabel
Not only do you have to contend with possible first name variants, but you know spellings were very fluid at this time. Not seeing Hexton as a spelling, closest showing is working from Hakston. A possible further child to the same couple is Jean https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJ5-X2R
Maybe the spelling moved to Hexton/Haxton in later years?
Monica
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I have yet to find any further Info on Elizabeth Hexton (Brown) Other than she was Born In Paisley.
Her death Cert has virtually no Info on it. Can't find a death for John (possibly at sea).
Her marriage record from the Parish record however does say Hackston on It.
Neilston Is Pretty Close to Paisley. Will need to look in to that.
I also noted that her Husband John Brown previously spelt his name Broun.
Its no wonder were having difficulty with this lot.
Oh and thanks for your help!!
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Elizabeth's birth could be that one then with the reference to Abbey, Paisley then from census (although you also mentioned Neilston?).
Broun is a common older spelling of Brown.
John's death is a puzzle. You would think he was too old to be still at sea as a mariner, well into his late 60s, by the late 1860s. Elizabeth showed as widow in 1871?
Monica
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Yeah John is Listed in 1869 Post Office Directory but only Mrs Brown in 1870. Listed as Dec. in Daughter Elizabeth's Marriage 1871. The Jean Hackston you posted as a possible relative was born Neilston.
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Of course she was. Can't see a marriage for parents, but then marriages can often be harder to find from the OPRs than births & christenings :-\
Monica
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Of course she was. Can't see a marriage for parents, but then marriages can often be harder to find from the OPRs than births & christenings :-\
Monica
Added: apologies, my postings have got gremlins :-\
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Mark, something that gives me some hope at least that we are on the right track for Elizabeth Hexton is one of the names of the children for Elizabeth Hexton Brown and Steel Harrison (fab name ;D) from your tree on a/try which shows as: Elizabeth Houston Brown Harrison.
Monica
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Monica,
You may well have made a very interesting discovery here.
I've also noted the Middle names of Thomson and McLean in the female line.
I will concentrate on the Paisley/Neilston Hackstons and see If I can piece this together.
Steel Harrison was my Great Grandfather (I love the name too).
What was very Interesting for me was when I went to the Mitchell library and discovered that my Aunt Ina's middle names of Bamford and Ivers were basically the surnames been re-searching on the Harrison side that I had no proof of a link.
Further re-search has allowed me to make the connection. :-)
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Monica,
Managed to find quite a lot of info on the Hackston family on Family Search including John and Mary's Marriage in 1800. Children 1801 Jean, 1802 Isobel, 1807 Fanny Baird, 1810 John. Fanny married George Bruce 1826. Plenty of Census Info on them on FreeCen. John married Susanna Forrest 1836. Got their Census info too. Only thing is the tentative link that Elizabeth and Isobel are one in the same.
Regards Mark
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Mark, you are always going to have doubts given that Elizabeth's death cert didn't include her parents' names. They were common first name variants, if that gives you some comfort.
Are there OPR entries for christenings for the children of Elizabeth and John? Sometimes family names show as sponsors on the entries which can help.
Monica
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Good Point, there are 4 Parish records for 1839 William Brown, 1841 Margaret Mclean Broun, 1843 Elizabeth Thompson Broun, 1845 William Hunter Brown. Presumably the 1st William died. I will try and visit the local library who have these on Microfiche just in case there are no additional details on it.
Thanks Again.
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This is an entry in SP Wills/Testaments for the inventory account of this chap below. He may or may not be your man. I looked at the record it doesn't identify where he lived or his family other than a James Brown co-signing as to the document's accuracy. The purpose of this document is to value his assets to which as a seaman it included the disclosure of a small seaman's life insurance policy.
BROWN JOHN 19/11/1868 ENGINEER ON BOARD THE ROYAL MAIL STEAM PACKET SHIP "DOWRO ", DIED ON SHIP AT WATER ISLAND, OFF SAINT THOMAS, WEST INDIES I GLASGOW SHERIFF COURT INVENTORIES SC36/48/60
Only inland waters deaths were recorded with SP and if he died on open sea it is entered into the ship's logs.
However a quick scan of the British Newspaper Archives suggests there may in fact be an obit but I didn't spend the coin to look there were many, many John Brown's in the Strathclyde area who died 1861-1871.
Btw...the 1866 death in Greenock is not yours, he is single.
Don
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Don, thanks for the Info. i will try and follow this up.
Only thing is, if he died in 1968 he probably wouldn't have been in the 1869 Post office Directory but you never know. Regards Mark
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Recently viewed the burial records and found that John Brown passed away in 1864. A bit strange he is still in the Post Office Directory until 1869. There are 3 records on Scotland’s People that don’t have any age. I’ll need to purchase all 3 no doubt to get the right one. Elizabeth is also buried alongside John along with her Granddaughters who died young Elizabeth Hexton Crawford and Elizabeth Hexton Halliday. Gives a bit more weight to Hexton rather than Hackston.
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I am also looking for a John Brown. I'm wondering if it is the same person you are all talking about.
Mine was born 29 Sep 1828 Greenock Renfrewshire Scotland. He was baptised on 5 Oct 1828.
His parents are William Brown (1798-1875) and Agnes Findlay (1799-1878)
The other siblings are -
Janet 1824
Mary 1826
Elizabeth 1831
Rachel 1836
William 1838
Emily 1843
I am yet to find a marriage but I did find a certificate of competency as a Second Mate.
Look forward to hearing what others think!