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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: wingtuns20 on Thursday 29 November 12 04:54 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any info on the Lifton surname?
I have traced some family back to Pembrokeshire/Milford Haven area and then it stops there. There is no other information showing where the Lifton family originated from!?
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In the main during at least late 18th to 20th centuries you are looking at Hubberston and Steynton, dependent on which branch of the family you are searching, with odd references to the surname south of the river.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Thanks for the info, currently I am a Lifton who resides in the Bristol area.
Starting further back as 1818 I'll show you the tree roots. Father to father.
Issac Lifton
Born 1/1818
Place W-O-T, Bristol
Married 25/2/1848
Place Bedminster, Bristol
Died 3/1885
Place Bristol
Richard Lifton
Born 1788
Place Milford, Pembrokshire
Married 24/2/1816
Place St Mary Redcliffe, Bristol
Died 9/1858
Place Clifton, Bristol
William Lifton
Born 1761
Place Pembrokeshire, Wales
Married
Place
Died 3/1847
Place
George Roy Lifton (No Further Details)
Is there any info on the family crest, someone stated in the family 'POCO A POCO' but this appears on the Liston family..?
Did you have any further info on the odd references?
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William Lifton mrd Martha Lewis at Hubberston 1785.
Confusion with the Liston surname is a new one on me, most common I have seen previous has been with the Lipton surname which was the situation when I helped out someone searching the surname years ago.
From my transcription of the parish registers of Pembroke St Mary for 1711 to the 1930's I note for your interest
01 Feb 1835 James Lifton otp a bach mrd Eliza Williams otp a spinster by banns in front of James Dalton. Both signed their names in the presence of Stephen Griffiths and George Froyne.
It is possible that Jacob Lifton is a brother to Isaac Lifton of Steynton, when Jacob mrd Ann Eggins at Hubberston in 1810.
Any further follow-up will have to await the re-opening of the R.O. next year.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Oriel thanks for your update, GYPO is kindly helping me out on this as well.
Is there any info on who William Liftons father is?
On the family tree I have it mentions Mary Richards marrying William.?
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Hi there, I was really excited to read your posts as I am researching the Liftons from Pembrokeshire as part of my family tree. I have found many census records on Ancestry.co.uk but have also found it tricky to pin down William Lifton. He doesn't appear on census records until 1841 whereby he was 80 years old and living with Mary Richards and also, among others Esther Lifton, who i assume is either a daughter or grand-daughter. He states his occupation as 'Paper'. I have also found a marriage certificate for a William Lifton in Pembroke in 1844...I am still waiting for this to arrive in the post so I don't know if it is William Lifton (b. 1761) or a son/grandson.
The link with my family is via the Stallard family. It seems William had a daughter, Bridget Lifton, who married James Stallard... James Stallard is also not present on any census (just found him through the marriage certificate and children's names). Bridget lives with Mary Richards for most of her life. I'm confused who Mary Richards is. Did William's first wife die? There does seem to be a strong link with her though. She was a school-mistress so I'm wondering if they weren't allowed to marry as female teachers weren't supposed to in those days!
I have no further info on George Roy...only that he was born in London according to another member of ancestry.co.uk....although they have no evidence to sustantiate this. I'm hoping to find out more when the marriage certificate of William arrives...I will let you know.
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It is rather late but the following may be of interest ;
From my transcription of the parish registers of Monkton St Nicholas 1711 to the 1930’s I note the following
30 Sept 1876 George Robert Lifton age 23 a bach and shipwright of 5 Upper Laws Street Pembroke Dock St John the son of George Lifton a Writer of HM Dockyard married Harriett Lockett aged 21 of Monkton the dau of Joseph Lockett a Writter in HM Dockyard by certificate in front of Henry Simpson Blink. Both signed their names in the presence of Joseph Lockett and William Henry Lockett.
From my transcription of the parish registers of Pembroke St Mary 1711 to the 1930’s I note the following
08 Dec 1830 Joseph to Jacob and Ann Lifton of the Dock a Shipwright baptized by James Dalton
08 Dec 1830 Matthew Robert to Jacob and Ann Lifton of the Dock a Shipwright by baptized by James Dalton
22 Mar 1835 Eliza to Jacob and Ann Lifton of the dock a Joiner baptized by James Dalton.
From the same transcription but for Mrge
02 Mar 1844 William Lifton of full age a bach and Shipwright of Pembroke Dock the son of Jacob Lifton a Shipwright mrd Ann Road of full aged a spinster of Pembroke Dock the dau of Robert Road a shipwright by certificate in front of William Lloyd. Both signed their names in the presence of John Road and George Froyne
(Note George Froyne was parish clerk at this time, a position that had been and would remain in the family for generations)
(Note Beware IGI gives wrong year of Mrge)
Paper = clearly means Pauper
From the same transcription but fur burial 1839 to 1882
William Lifton of the Dock buried 13 Feb 1842 aged 07 mths by James Dalton
William Lifton of West Gate buried 28 Aug 1860 age 03 mths by E. Edwards
From the same transcription but for burial 1883 to 1913
Thomas Lifton of the Union Workhouse buried 25 Apr 1902 aged 08 mths by Charles Hayward-Phillips
Since William son of Jacob was not baptized at Pembroke St Mary, I looked elsewhere, I note two baptism of a William Lifton 1 in 1824 to William & Elizabeth and one in 1828 at Steynton to parents unknown, it appears lightly then that the later may just be the William son of Jacob. I can double check for free and easily if required.
William Lifton had mrd Elizabeth Richards at Hubberston 24 Jun 1813.
Given that the 1828 baptism of William at Steynton is to Jacob, this would then prove the connection between the Pembroke area and the Liftons of Hubberston - Steynton area back to the late 19th when William Lifton had mrd Martha Lewis at Hubberston in 1785.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
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William Lifton was born 1761(do we known exact date.?) in Pembrokeshire, and died 1847. He married Mary Richards.?
On the 1840 Cenus it states he was a Ropemaker. A lot of them were shipwrights.
Will be great to get more info on George Roy or Ray Lifton whom is possibly Wills father, be interesting to see what documents show they are linked etc...
Another rootschat member stated - ( 1 ) George Lifton, b 1743 Pembrokeshire Wales.
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I managed to obtain further information.
One of the earliest baptisms is for a William Lifton son of William and Elizabeth – baptised on
5 Nov 1758. There were two William Liftons in the late 18th and early 19th centuries however.
It is not clear which of these two later Williams this baptism concerns. One William was
married to Martha Lewis in 1785 and was described as ’boatman’ on one of his childrens’
baptism. Some children of this couple were James [1786], Jacob [1789] and Elizabeth [1791].
The other William Lifton was married to a Mary Smith and possibly later an Anne Smith.
He was described as ‘a labourer’ on the baptism of his children which included
Mary [1785], Richard [1788] William [1792].
I am related to the second William Lifton, (via Richard) however not known when he was born!?
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I have found my link now William Lifton b. 1723 d.1796 he died in Hubberston. Not sure where he was born. He was with Mary Smith and Ann Smith also. I believe they are the same person and she was b. 1733 d. 1798.
Findmypast have added a lot of new documents. There appears to be alot more Lifton families.
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anyone else with more info on William b. 1723?
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Hi
I'm another descendant of the Hubberston Lifton's. My connection is through Jacob 1789-1859, son of William Lifton and Martha nee Lewis (m1785).
There seems to have been a couple of William Lifton's around Hubberston at this time. I have found a William Lifton and wife Mary/Ann Smith (I think it's possible they are one and the same like you said), parents of Mary 1785, Richard 1788, William 1792, Henry 1796 and Abra 1798.
There's also another William Lifton and Mary Richards baptising children at Hubberston. Bridget 1806, Esther 1808 and Mary 1812. I don't think that this couple actually married but you can still see them living together in the 1841 census. There's a burial for a William Lifton in Hubberston in 1847 (birth about 1758). This could possibly be the William that was baptised in 1758 in Hubberston, son of William and Elizabeth. This couple also had other children baptised during the 1750s and 60s.
I still haven't been able to find the link between William (father of Jacob) and these other William's.
Josh
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Hi,
I have a burial transcript for a William Lifton b. 1723 d. 1796. Its states he was a Boatman, I know jacobs father was a boatman.
This was on a family tree of a descendant of Richard Lifton before the transcript was on findmypast.
I was told that Jacob was Richards brother but I have no solid proof of this. I was informed that William and his descendants were Quaker whalers from Nantucket. But still not found any information.
There is some other burials showing a few other of the Lifton families.
There was an Ann Smith b. 1733 d. 1798 said she was wife of William Lifton labourer so it must be the same family? I think Mary and Ann were the same persons?
I don't know where William was born.
Only issue is the children born later to Ann William was dead by 1796...!?
I found a William Lifton b. 1740 up north.
I will have to check to see if Ann died giving birth, but she would to of given birth at 63?
Mark,
too note - Wm Lifton b.1758 had brothers and sisters named Robert, Henry, Richard, Ben & Ann.
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Hi, Does anyone interested in the Lifton Families, have a John Lifton Davies b 1852 in Steynton. Pembrokeshire, I am trying to find the marriage of his daughter Gladys Mary Davies b 17 July 1891, John Lifton Davies was also a shipwright at Pembroke Dock.
Best wishes Rowley
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Hi Mark,
I have seen that burial of William in 1796. The only problem I have with that is that William would have been in his sixties by the time Jacob was born, so I'm not sure if that burial burial belongs to the father of Jacob.
I've only been able to find 2 other children of William and Martha nee Lewis myself, that is James 1787 and Elizabeth 1791. The only Richard I have found so far, is one baptised in 1788 to William and Mary Smith. Yes, I've also been informed about the Quaker connection too from a relative.
I think it's possible that Ann and Mary could have been the same person, unless Mary died and then William married a Ann Smith. Yes, the age does seem a little old in my opinion, so perhaps its a generation before?
What is the William Lifton you have found up north?
@Dudley, I haven't yet come across the names you've mentioned, but perhaps someone else may have done so.
Josh
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The one I found was
Name: Willm Lifton
Baptism: 2 May 1740 - Epsom, St Martin, Surrey, England
Vital: 2 May 1740 - Epsom, St Martin
But reading, could be Liffen?
I did find a Wm Selton b. 1723 looks like Lifton born/baptised in Lancashire area to a John.
I think John was a Quaker?
For William baptised 1758 to Wm and Elizabeth there were in Hubberston also.
Ann baptised 1754
Elizabeth baptised 1756 (earlier spelt Ellezebeth)
Richard baptised 1760
Henry baptised 1762
Benjamin baptised 1766
Robert baptised 1768
Henry baptised 1762
On BMD website when you search for Lifton there are RG6 Quaker records in the 1600s.
This is most likely not linked but I did find a Mary Smith who married a William Liston in Bristol in 1748!?
In 1720 there was a William Liston whom married an Elizabeth like to the children above, but all probably a coincidence.
However there appears to be a Lifton in bristol in the 1600s.
There was a chap on here who had a book saying the Liftons were Quakers who came over.
I found on some website Privateers-Bucaneers a Richard Lifton over there in the mid 1600s u/k if it is linked.
Someone whom was a desendant of my grandfathers brother on mundia.com (ancestry tree) wrote that William Lifton b.1723 was our link. That was before the record was around and the chap who wrote it passed away in 2012. My nan had a bible somewhere where all the Lifton descendants were wrote down. It was said that the Arundel family were written in it.
I don't know where it is at the moment!
There is on a few other trees a George R Lifton b. 1743 I dont know where that came from!?
I never seen any records.
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In relation to my lancashire comment this is interesting.....
Willm: Lifton
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
spouse:Elizabeth
NameElizabeth
GenderFemale
Burial Date28 Sep 1729
Burial PlacePlumpton-Wood, Lancashire, England
Death Date
Death Place
Age
Birth Date
Birthplace
Occupation
Race
Marital StatusMarried
Spouse's NameWillm: Lifton
Father's Name
Father's Birthplace
Mother's Name
Mother's Birthplace
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberI04737-5
System OriginEngland-EASy
GS Film number1502471
Reference ID
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Hi,
Sorry for the delay!
Very interesting regarding that information. I've saved it all to my records as you never know. I've been trying to connect the Lifton families of Hubberston and the area. However it's proving very tricky to do so. There's so many names that have been re-used throughout the generations which makes it complicated.
And wouldn't that Bible be brilliant to look at! I've never seen a George R Lifton record anywhere myself either. I wonder where that came from?!
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It would be really useful to have but unknown where it is currently at the moment! I remember word in the family we originated from the village of Devon? But i never seen the proof!
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Chatting to a family member the other day, someone did a tree. They managed to get back to a Ginger Lifton then supposedly went quiet? I cant find this person anywhere. I know Ginger is another name for Virginia and the england colonists in usa name their first child this, apart from that cant find much else. The person who did this tree said we came from branch of 'Poco A Poco'Liston? Im keeping open minded at the moment. There was no mention of us being in pembrokeshire either.......
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Since my last post here I am still stuck on the family history.
I been bought to the attention of the Listun (also prenounced Lisson/Liston) family of Bristol who seem to have links to Wales.
There are no actual records of this family name only in Church books. It appears that they were Baptists and Ministers.
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I am also descended from the Hubberston Liftons. We have an oral history that was passed down to me that the Liftons were Jews who came to England from Flanders with a group of weavers. I wasn't told a date. Weavers from Flanders moved to the UK over quite a long period of historic time and records show that these groups included Jews. The surname Lifton is a variant of Levitan that occurs in Lithuania and Poland.
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Hi,
I remember hearing a similar story from a Lifton who lives in the USA.
I was informed that we were Whalers/Quakers from USA.
There appears to be different variants of the surname involving the Whalers/Quakers.
I have noted that Lisson was also spelt Liston/Lifton etc....
There is different lineages of Lissons and I have found that a group were French Huguenots who came over from Flanders and settled in Ireland around 1500s or before.
I read about the Huguenots descending from Sephardic Jews??
I know the Lifton in the USA has done a Y-DNA test, it shows that he is descended from the group 'PF5456', it states Roman/Phoenician dna?