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Wanting to find anything about Ernest Alfred Reade b.Oct 1868 Taiharuru father Redmond,Mother Esther nee Lawrence.
Redmond drowned 1869 & Esther remarried Henry Evans 1879 in Auckland.
Wanting to find anything on these people Ernest Alfred Reade / and or Evans, Esther Lawrence b.cir 1831 N.Z. &
Esther's parents.
Henry Evans.
Where were they between 1869 & 1879 & where are they after Esther's marraige to Henry Evans.
Any help would be greatfully recieved.
Cheers
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Where were they between 1869 & 1879
Hello...
The following probate may mention where Esther is in 1870. Possibly start a look-up request thread
READE Redmond - Taiharuru - Husband of Esther - 1870
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=8081001
Regards
Beg
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Hi Snook
It appears the name is spelt incorrectly on BDM's
1879/2351 Esther Meade to Henry Evans
Cheers Janette
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It appears Esther and Henry had 2 children before they married
1874/16980 Evans Henry Embleney / Esther /Henry
1876/5617 Evans NR/ Esther/ Henry
Cheers Janette
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Hi again...
The 1881 electoral roll has a Henry EVANS, labourer living in Kawakawa (which is fity-ish miles north of Taiharuru). Maybe Esther's second husband. Maybe not.
And there is an Ernest ALfred READER buried at Omaka Cemetery in Blenheim but I suspect it's a different person because there's a ten year age difference. Maybe start a digitisation request thread for his WW1 file which might/should list his parents.
READER, Ernest Alfred - WW1 80379 - Army -1914 - 1918
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20804537
Actually, how likely is it for a 46 year old to have served in WW1....so maybe don't bother :-)
Regards
Beg
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Not exactly the name Janette found in the births but this death
1875/332 Evans Henry Embling 13M
this matches a name in the certifcate collection
Death place given as Gisborne 19/2/1875
Bye
Althea
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Hi Snook,
I'll request the WW1 file Beg mentioned:
READER, Ernest Alfred - WW1 80379 - Army -1914 - 1918
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20804537
He might have lied about his age.
Spades
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Thanks to all.
Beg, I have the probate, nothing of interest there, Readers Hmm dont kwow.
Janette, I have the marraige cert, folio 2392 correct spelling.
Children could be, will have try & trace them forward?
Cheers Snook
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Hello,
Interested to know if you found anything useful on the WW1 file for Ernest Alfred READER?? Were you able to establish as to whether or not he was one and the same as Ernest Alfred READE?
Was the name of the Reader wife, Mary Lilian?
Minniehaha.
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Hi Minnie and Snook,
I've just checked and the file hasn't been digitized. I'll try again.
Spades
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Apart from the possible WW1 file there appears to be no trace of the READE name relating to Ernest.
However Snook, have you looked in Australia for Ernest Alfred READE?
One item comes up in the Australian newspapers (trove.nla.gov.au) for Ernest A. Reade. Appears in the 'Bendigo Advertiser' dated 10.7.1900 when he was a patient in Bendigo Hospital.
A search of the historical index www.bdm.vic.gov.au/ shows there is a death record for an Ernest Alfred READE. Without payment however, it is not possible to obtain further information.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks minniehaha,
Bendigo hospital could be??
Death record is not my Reade,& is not related to the hospital record.
Cheers Snook
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Oh well, a negative can be a positive in this game. It looks as if we are left with the WW1 file..........
Minniehaha.
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But maybe not.......... Have you looked for Esther Evans death?
I see two possible candidates from the NZ BDM website index:
1908, aged 78 years &
1917, aged 84 years.
Both within the range of Esther's birth date, abt. 1831. A death printout may well have details of her parentage.
Minniehaha.
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A little more...........
Probate (1908) for an Esther EVANS of Addington, married woman, held in Christchurch Archives.
Minniehaha.
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Can ignore the 1908 death, as I have now found that this Esther was the wife of George Evans. (From Papers Past.)
Minniehaha.
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READER, Ernest Alfred - WW1 80379 - Army -1914 - 1918
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20804537 (http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20804537)
Hi Snook
The above-named Ernest Alfred READER would seem to be an entirely different person to Ernest Alfred READE.
Ernest Alfred READER - farm hand of Blenheim - Regimental No. 80379, lists his wife > Mrs. E. READER , of Meehan Street, Islington, Blenheim > as his next of kin.
[Electoral Rolls (for Marlborough district) covering a good number of years, show this man living at the Meehan Street address with his wife who is named as Elizabeth.]
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Marlborough Express" - 3 March 1904 - page 3
... has a report on the wedding of Ernest Alfred READER - the son of Mr William READER, of Fairhall, Blenheim ... to, Elizabeth TEE.
~ Lu
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NZ Birth
1878 - READER - Earnest [sic] Alfred
s/o Maryann Elizabeth and William READER
The burial (mentioned here earlier) at Omaka Cemetery, Blenheim - 1941 - would appear to be the same E.A. READER.
~ Lu
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Hi again Snook
Just so we can try to help with finding info for the people you asked about in your initial post ...
> do you maybe have later information (after 1879) for Esther ??
I'm just curious, because if you are working backwards in the usual manner, (and you don't have details of Esther's son Ernest Alfred READE - other than his birth), then it would seem that you have possibly traced back from Esther ?
~ Lu
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Hi Lucy2,
Thanks for all you have done.
I have no more info on Ernest.
Esther was born cir 1831 n.z.
married Redmond Reade 1867 whangarei i have the marraige cert,no mother or father listed.
married Henry Evans 1879 auckland i have the marraige cert,no mother or father listed for either.
Poss electrol roll 1893 Sarsfield st Auckland.
After that they all disappear.
Cheers Snook
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Hi Snook
Thanks ... but I'm still a bit puzzled as to which "line" you are following here ?
> Did Esther have other children ?
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Ernest Alfred Reade is the main line i need.
But did he change his name to Ernest Alfred Evans??
Also where did Esther Lawrence come from??
I have not found any other children.
Cheers Snook
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Hi Snook
Sorry, I don't want to confuse you. :) But I do want to "un-confuse" myself. ;D
Usually when we do our family histories, we work backwards from a known person e.g. let's say a great-grandfather named Ernest Alfred READE. Then we find out who his parents were (his marriage cert. is generally the best source of information). And from that we learn the names of his parents ... say Esther and Redmond.
So, do you already have an "Ernest Alfred" in your tree ?
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Yes everyboby named is in my family tree.
All i'm trying to is find where Ernest was after 1869.
Cheers Snook
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Hi Snook
I've done a comprehensive search of NZ (and some Australian) records, and haven't been able to find Ernest Alfred READE (and var.) or EVANS, sorry. :(
If he had remained in New Zealand, then you'd expect him to probably show up on Electoral rolls from 1890.
While I have access to images for NZ electoral districts, 1893 is not amongst them unfortunately so am unable to view the earlier reference you gave for EVANS at Sarsfield Street, Auckland.
> Did that (1893) roll show Esther and Henry EVANS at Sarsfield Street ?
> So you know the occupation of Henry EVANS ?
~ Lu
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Hi Snook
Somebody has a tree (online @ ancestry website) which mentions Redmond READE - 1829-1869 born Kilkenny, Ireland.
The entry for his wife, Esther LAWRENCE, only shows she was born about 1831.
The child named as the son of Redmond and Esther, is listed as >>
Redmond READE - Birth: 1868 - Taiharuru
[Obviously that listing does not tally with what is recorded in the NZ Birth Index.
The tree seems only to follow the line of Redmond READE (b. 1829) and his Irish roots. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Does this help, it is from my disc of E/R for 1893?
Source 1893 Electoral Roll
Electorate City of Auckland
Record Number 14891
Surname EVANS
Given Names Esther
Place of Residence Sarsfield St
Occupation Home duties
Nature of Qualification Residential
I can not see a Henry at the same Residence.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KHP .... thanks. :)
Is there any sign of this Ernest Alfred (READE or variants) or EVANS in 1893, please ?
Cheers
~ Lu
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Hi all,
Yes i know about the ancestry Reades much of it is wrong!!
Henry's is listed as Storekeeper on his marraige to Esther 1879
Cheers snook
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Hi KHP .... thanks. :)
Is there any sign of this Ernest Alfred (READE or variants) or EVANS in 1893, please ?
Cheers
~ Lu
Nothing comes up for an Ernest Alfred Read/e, Reed, Reid ..... there is one Alfred Evans in 1893 but he is living in Hobson Street and is a Labourer.
Cheers
KHP
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Hello,
1874 birth for Henry Embling EVANS was reg. March quarter @ Turanga.
1875 death for the above-named was reg. March quarter @ Turanga.
1876 birth for unnamed female was reg. March quarter @ Turanga.
Turanga was (I think) the old name for Gisborne, Poverty Bay. If not the old name, Turanga was certainly in the Gisborne area.
This pinpoints the location of Esther & Henry during those years.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks again KHP. :)
I've tried all manner of combinations in the search for Ernest Alfred ... ;D
I'm guessing there are no school records either ?
Cheers
~ Lu
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Sorry was just saying bye to the Grandies :D Been a long day with them ::)
Not that I can see under Read/e. But perhaps this might be the likely candidate?
Name EVANS Ernest
School Templeton
Register Number 20
Admission Date 1880
Parent / Guardian Henry EVANS
Address Templeton
Birthdate 24 Aug 1868
Last Day 07 Jul 1881
Destination Left District
Perhaps Canterbury NZSG might have some info on the family.
Cheers
KHP
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I realise the birth date mentioned is different to October, but school records with birth dates are taken with a pinch of salt and need to be verified.
Cheers
KHP
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Oooooooooh, another record being admitted to Halswell School on the 12 Sept 1881 gives the birth date of 24 October 1868
Cheers
KHP
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1917, aged 84 years.
Minniehaha.
That one is buried Cabbage Bay Cemetery, Colville. Was a District Nurse. Unfortunately the headstone is no help.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t9r/
Forename is spelt Ester.
Cheers
KHP
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Belated thanks for school record info, KHP. :)
~ Lu
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Hi Snook,
I have re-ordered the WWI Army personnel file for Ernest READER. Once it appears can you please advise me by replying to this topic.
Spades
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I recently started researching my grandfather's family, Reades of Kilkenny. My great grandfather, James Reade, had a brother Redmond, who, I believe, is your Redmond. I had no idea what happened to him, until I saw your post. Many thanks for that.
I'm sure I saw an Earnest in my search. Try looking for him back in London, where his father and most (possibly all) of his siblings were born. He might have gone to Kilkenny. If I can find him again, I'll be back.
Cheers ~ Tracy
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Hi Tracy,
Great to hear from you.
James Reade b.1831 Kilkenny is my gt grandfather.
If you want any info on the Reades in NZ & elsewhere contact me,
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Any help on finding Earnest would great.
Cheers
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Hi
I believe the Esther Lawrence your talking about here is my 3rd great grandmother.
I have a transcript of her death certificate.
Born Liverpool, England.
20yrs in NZ, 23yrs in NSW, AUS.
Marriage 1
Redmond Reade, wanganui, NZ
Children Ernest A. Living. None deceased.
Marriage 2
Henry Evans, Auckland, NZ
Children Eva M. L. Living. 1 male deceased.
Date of death 12 Jan 1907
Parramatta, NSW age 55
Cause of death injuries accidentally received by being knocked by a railway engine while in motion.
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Hello & welcome to Rootschat.... :)
You may have seen these newspaper reports of the accident and inquest?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115220784?searchTerm=esther%20evans
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112502649?searchTerm=esther%20evans
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/136608895?searchTerm=esther%20evans
Minniehaha.
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Ezbm22
Thanyou for your post,sent PM to you
Cheers Snook
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Ezbm22
Thanyou for your post,sent PM to you
Cheers Snook
Snook, Ezbm won't be able to acknowledge your PM until they have posted at least twice on here. Just a couple of smilies will do.
Cheers
KHP
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EZBM22
Hi, have i got the right parents for Esther John & Mary nee Slater.
Would like to know what happened to Ernest?
Cheers Phillip
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Hi Phillip,
Esther has been very much a brick wall for me. & still trying to find information on her & her family. Not having much luck. The only stuff I have is a transcript of her death certificate & I only got that in the last week or so. & newspaper article about her accident. It wasn’t till I got Esther death certificate that I found out about her 1st husband & that Ernest & Eva had different fathers.
The death certificate say her father is John bates Lawrence & mother Mary maiden name unknown. & her father occupation as retired.
I have checked with the UK birth, Death & Marriage. & there is a birth for Esther Lawrence born Liverpool 1849 & her mother is Mary née Slater. I have not found her father listed as John bates Lawrence anywhere in the UK. But there is a death record in NZ for one & a grave 1904 aged 88. Which say his with his daughter Elizabeth. She was born Liverpool 1852. Mother née Slater.
Give the years on the death certificate. She would have gone to New Zealand in about 1864. & then to NSW in about 1884. I wouldn’t hold these years as 100% actually tho. As the certificate also says she was 55 at the time of death. Some newspapers said she was 59. & the birth record in UK says 1849. It also said her 1st marriage she was 19 & 24 for her 2nd.
I haven’t been able to find anything on Ernest or Henry her sons. I also don’t have anything on Esther 2nd husband Henry other then he worked for the New Zealand insurance company. But I have not found a birth or death for him.
My 2nd Great-Grandmother is her daughter Eva. She married Reginald Buist in NSW, 1900. They when to Western Australian. Where they had two children. Where when Esther accident happened.
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Where and when did Esther die?
Can you please list all the information on the death certificate that you have.
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NSW BDM death
2402/1907 EVANS Esther parents John B / Mary @ Parramatta
Sydney Morning Herald 15 Jan 1907 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14815113?
EVANS.—The Friends and Relatives of the late Esther EVANS, dearly beloved wife of Henry
EVANS, late of Guildford, who was killed through railway accident on the 12th inst, are kindly invited to attend her Funeral, THIS DAY, at 9, from Parramatta Hospital, to Necropolis.
Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser 16 Jan 1907 p185
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165388071?
EVANS.— January 12, at Parramatta District Hospital, Esther Evans, aged 54 years.
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Ancestry Sydney Anglican Parishes BDM
St John Darlinghurst 24 May 1900
BUIST Reginald Templeton bachelor b. Woolloomooloo Sydney Hairdresser 27y
Residence: 106 Oxford St Paddington
Parents: Robert BUIST, tobacconist, Elizabeth Ann TEMPLETON
EVANS Eva Mary Laura spinster b. Gisborne, NZ 23y
Residence: 34 The Avenue Camperdown
Parents: Henry EVANS, insurance agent, Esther LAWRENCE
witnesses Sara COLLINS *********
Scrutineer and Berrima District Press 16 Jan 1907 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/125559038?
........Mrs. Esther Evans, wife of Mr. Henry EVANS, district fire insurance agent, of Argyle street, Moss Vale, had been fatally injured on the railway line at Guildford on 8aturday evening. Mrs. Evans, who was very hard of hearing, had been out shopping on Saturday afternoon, and had left a parcel at the Guildford railway station.....
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Scrutineer and Berrima District Press 3 Jan 1917 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132977430?
Death.— Oa Dec. 8th, 1916, at Aldgate, Preston Point road, East Fremantle (W.A.), the death took
place of Miss Alice Margaret (Wylie) Evans, daughter of Mr. E. A. Evans in her 20th year.
Deceased was the grand- daughter of Mr. H. Evans, our popular townsman ; she was in
Moss Vale a few weeks ago on a visit to her grandfather, and made many friends during the time spent here..........on her return journey (at Adelaide) that the late Miss Evans became ill, which on
her arrival home resulted in acute appendicitis........
The West Australian 9 Dec 1916 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26999654?
EVANS.—On December 8, 1916, at Aldgate, Preston Point-road, East Fremantle, Alice Margaret
(Wylie), dearly beloved and only daughter of Ernest Alfred and Blanche Rose Evans, aged 20 years.
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Ezbm22
John Bates Lawrence is the 8th child of John & Mary.
PM me with a email & i'll send you the images of what i've got to you.
You may see the PM i sent you a few days ago.
Cheers Phillip.
Ps Thanks to all that has added to this post :) :) :)
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to anyone who is interested in the descendants of Esther Lawrence , Redmond Reade and Henry Evans . My name is Barbara (*) my husband (*) (82yrs old) is the illegitimate great grandson of Redmond Reade and Esther Lawrence. This information has only been authenticated through Ancestry dna in 2020/21. I may be able to fill in missing information sort after for Esther and her descendants after she came to Australia.
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