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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Nookie on Tuesday 04 December 12 12:54 GMT (UK)
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I have an original counterpart lease between Elizabeth Thomas Watson Strugnell & Edward George Thomas and Alfred Barber, dated 23 December 1899. The lease was for Havering Well House, Hornchurch Road, Romford, and is signed by Alfred Barber.
This was found amongst my grandmother's papers, and appears to have no direct connection to her (Dorothea Fulton - born in South Africa). However she was married to a John Frederick Morris (previously known as Perrins) as well as an Frank P. Bellingan but I have not been able to find a connection there either.
I would appreciate it if anyone could give me more information on Albert Barber as I would assume he is the key as it is his signature on the document. :)
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Nookie,
In the 1901 Census the property was listed as Havering Well House, Hornchurch Road, Hornchurch. The occupants were listed as Alfred Barber, aged 44, born in Islington and described as a Sack and Bag Merchant and Manufacturer. His wife Mary aged 32, born in Lavenham Suffolk, together with two female servants.
Then checked the 1911 census and the house was occupied by Edmund Tanton and five other members of his family.
Regards,
fifthwheel
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Thank you so much for the information. I had wondereed if the Alfred Barber was not the horticulturist in the area at the time, but could find no link there.
It is just such an honour to own a piece of history - just wish that I knew why our family had it!
Will now try and trace Alfred and Mary and their descendants.
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I have run into a dead end again!
I know that Alfred Barber was alive in 1909 living at Nelmes House, Hornchurch as he sold off a piece of land. His wife Mary was alive in 1933 (64 years old) as she was granted freehold of 133 and 135 High Street, Stratford, Essex. At that time she was living at Nelmes Way House, Nelm Way, Hornchurch.
I am really interested to know whether they had any children, and would appreciate it if anyone out there could please assist.
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Hi
Moderator comment: details from 1911 census removed in accordance with Rootschat policies, only information from the free index may be posted
Alfred died in 1934 - he left over £33,000! A lot of money then.....
Sue
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Thanks so very much. I will now see if I can get further down this tree. :)
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Nookie,
Following on from what Sue has said I found a record of the following Marriage :-
Charles D. Barber married Dorothea Garbe in 1916 in the Romford Registration District, Volume 4A, Page 1019.
Could this possibly be the son !
Regards
fifthwheel
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I do hope it is him and that they had children .... and that the children would be interested in this counterpart lease! Onward with the search.
Thanks for the help.
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Hello, I have just discovered this forum and joined, correctly I hope! Dorothea Fulton who was married to a Frank P. Bellingan appears to be someone's grandmother who had documentation referring to the Havering Well House. My husband Terence Bellingan's father was Leslie, son of Frank Bellingan. Frank was married 3 times we think, but as Leslie was killed in Burma in 1945 when my husband was 4 we cannot find out the name of Leslie's mother. We are hoping that a relative of Dorothea Fulton (Bellingan) may be able to help. Frank was previously married to Madge who had two children, Denzil and Wendy
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My grandmother was Dorothea Fulton!!
I will send you a PM right now.
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Charles Douglas Barber married Dorothea Ida Garbe 03/04/1916 he was a chemist living at Nelmes House his father was Alfred Barber a gentleman Dorothea's father was also a gentleman. Freebmd has children starting 1917. Married at St Andrews Hornchurch
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Thanks so much. I managed to trace his g/g/son (through Rootschat) who had died in 2000 which means that there could still be living relatives! This means that my research has ground to a halt.
Despite emailing every Barber in the area I have not managed to trace anyone who was related to Charles. Such a pity as I am sure there is someone out there who would love to have an original document that their great/great/great relative signed.
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Hello everyone,
I would be the grandson of Douglas Alfred Barber, the great Grandson of Charles Barber and Doretha ida and great great grandson of Alfred Barber.
And I have photos of everyone.
What is it you would like to know?
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I missed a great out, yes the man who died in 2000 was my dearly loved and painfully missed Granddad,
He taught me about my family history and my great uncle has it traced back to 1600.
My granddads eldest sister is alive still in her late 90's.
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I am absolutely thrilled to hear from you. I have been trying for years to contact someone from the family as I have an original counterpart lease dated 23 December 1899 signed by Alfred Barber which I found amongst my grandmother's papers.
I will send you a PM immediately!
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Hello Linda.
Not sure whether you are still active on this forum.
I have traced a Baptism record for Leslie Bellingan, from Cape Town in Feb 1918. Parents are shown as:
Frank Peter Bellinghan (on active service)
Florence Marion Bellingan.
I have a copy that I can forward if of interest.
I have been trying to trace details of Leslie Bellingan and his war service, for a project recording Rhodesian military casualties. Leslie's tragic death at the hands of the Japanese is well recorded. What I have not been able to establish is what links Leslie had to Rhodesia. Does Terence have any further details that would help shed light. Leslie is definitely a man who deserves being honoured and remembered.
Any help would be appreciated.
Best wishes.
John
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Hi John
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Unfortunately, Linda didn't return to the forum after her initial posting in 2014 so won't have seen all the others posts, neither does she have a high enough post count to be able to send her a personal message.
I will ask the site owners if there is anything we can do.
Dawn
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Hello Linda.
Not sure whether you are still active on this forum.
I have traced a Baptism record for Leslie Bellingan, from Cape Town in Feb 1918. Parents are shown as:
Frank Peter Bellinghan (on active service)
Florence Marion Bellingan.
I have a copy that I can forward if of interest.
I have been trying to trace details of Leslie Bellingan and his war service, for a project recording Rhodesian military casualties. Leslie's tragic death at the hands of the Japanese is well recorded. What I have not been able to establish is what links Leslie had to Rhodesia. Does Terence have any further details that would help shed light. Leslie is definitely a man who deserves being honoured and remembered.
Any help would be appreciated.
Best wishes.
John
My grandmother, Dorothea Fulton married Frank. Although I don't have any information on his children from a previous marriage I will see what I can find out for you. Frank and my gran lived in Rhodesia for many years. My uncle might well have known Frank's children. I will come back to you.