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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Idw on Friday 07 December 12 17:53 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any information of the families of Henry John Jolly b 1844 ( M Emily Louisa Goodenough b1848) and his father Benjamin Jolly b1811( M Mary Chinery b1811) who were both Blacksmiths in the village of Garboldisham Norfolk? or know of the whearabouts of the old Forge, which later became a garage?
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The burial PRs of St John the Baptist, Garboldisham, Norfolk record the following 2 burials which may very well be yours?
09/06/1861, Benjamin JOLLY, aged 50
06/02/1869, Mary JOLLY, aged 58
Victor
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Hiya Idw and welscome to Rootschat
www.familysearch.org
jolly
birth
Garboldisham
1835-1860
parents Benjamin - Mary
search....
results - as they appear
Selina Ann Jolly baptised 5th sept 1847
Edward Herbert Jolly baptised same day ....( possible twins ? )
Susan Jolly 7th january 1840
Jane Jolly 26th dec 1841
Henry John Jolly 5th september 1847 ( that`s 3 now baptised on this date )
Caroline Eliza Jolly 5th january 1851
Charles Youngman Jolly - same date
Henry Jolly 26th may 1844 ..(I presume this young boy dies and your HENRY JOHN JOLLY is born a little later ...2 baptisms Henry Jolly and Henry John Jolly with 3 years between them
hope this helps
allan
so 8 children
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Benjamin Jolly married Mary Chinery 10th december 1838 Garboldisham, Norfolk
Groom aged 21 born 1817
Bride aged 21 born 1817
Grooms fathers name JOHN JOLLY
parish notes
allan :)
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Think Mary may have told a little fib..this looks like her -BUT it isn`t Garboldisham..?? so only a possible
Mary Chinery baptised 17th sep 1816 at Particular Baptist Church,Salhouse,Norfolk
parents Benjamin Chinery and Elizabeth
allan
ADDED....It`s a long way from Salhouse to Garboldisham...so I think this baptism is a bit suspect !!!
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Looks like Mary was a widow when she married according to this!
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=2728624
possible baptism for Benjamin??
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=6328161
possible marriage for parents of Benjamin,John Jolly and Frances Baxter??
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=2728769
possible death for 1st wife Tabitha
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Burials&RecordID=4004257
other baptisms for children of John & Frances on freereg
A possibility for where the Youngman name starts in your family???
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11686-108524-78?cc=1416598&wc=MMVP-4DD:n1767262651
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I visited Garboldisham about 12 years ago, looking for information on John Jolly, Benjamin's father. He was my 3 x great grandfather. I tried to find the Old Forge, but without success, although I do have a photo of it as it was plus one of the church where the Jollys were married and buried. Is there any way to upload photos to this site?
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Hi There,
I live near Garboldisham. Are you looking for the forge or the blacksmiths shop? as they were two different places.
Regards Mark Reeve
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Hi There,
I live near Garboldisham. Are you looking for the forge or the blacksmiths shop? as they were two different places.
Regards Mark Reeve
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I'm not sure. All my Jolly ancestors in Garboldisham claim to be master blacksmiths. The 1841 census shows my 3 x Great Grandfather, John Jolly, living with his son Benjamin at Further Street, the 1851 census shows Benjamin (John had now died) at Church Farm and the 1861 census says Lower Street. Do you know where the Forge or the Blacksmiths shop were?
Many thanks. Tricia
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I understood the Forge eventually became a garage, but it may not be there any more. I have not been to Garbaldisham myself - maybe one day I'll take a trip down from Yorkshire!
IDW
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Here's the current "old forge"
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.402429,0.94837&num=1&t=h&z=19
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/the-old-forge/manor-road/garboldisham/diss/ip22-2sg/11348768
But the garage is/was a different building:
http://www.francisfrith.com/garboldisham/photos/the-garage-c1955_G188027
Perhaps a bit of playing in google Street View would find it?
BugBear
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Coupla' directories:
http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/places/g/garboldisham/white1845.shtml
http://apling.freeservers.com/Villages/Garboldisham54.htm
Found this old post :)
http://boards.ancestry.ca/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=614&p=surnames.jolly
And this:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-fb131&cid=-1#-1
Apprenticeship indenture FB131/G1/19 22nd May 1801
Contents:
John Kealey, singleman, to John Jolly of Garboldisham, Norfolk, blacksmith
It appears from that page that there were a family of Blacksmiths called
"Jolly" over at Wortham nearby.
BugBear
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Re the Jolly Blacksmiths of Garboldisham, there is a gravestone in St John the Baptist Church of John Jolly who died in 1815 aged 73 years, and his wife Frances died 1837 age 65 both born round 1772. Does anyone know who they are? I have a picture of the gravestone and the dates are very clear.
I have a John Jolly and wife Frances in my family tree -but John (c 1776) died in 1847 and Frances (c 1772) died in 1837 aged 65. John was a widower living with his son Benjamin in 1841.Is it likely that the dates on the gravestone are wrong and that these are in fact my John and Frances??
IDW
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Have you seen this, http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gpz.
Check out Jolly, there is also an email. Dave.
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Thanks Berkeley. In fact, I submitted the information there .
IDW
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The Francis Frith postcard is almost certainly the Old Forge that I have a photo of, courtesy of the Norfolk Record office. It had the most elaborate chimneys, both on the house and the forge.
According to the 1881 census it was in Further Street Garboldisham. In the same census Charles Jolly was a Whitesmith in Back Street Garboldisham, and this is probably the 'Old Forge' on the googlemap.
My great, great grandfather Henry John Jolly was the blacksmith. I am descended from his son Youngman C Jolly who married Emily Collis of Aldeburgh and moved away from the area to Sheffield (where his son, my grandfather was born) and thence to Weston super Mare where he met and married my grandmother. My mother (Youngman's grand daughter) told me that seated Henry Jolly apparently looked a mighty man; standing he was quite small as he had very short legs.
I am intrigued by the name Youngman. The husband of the crime writer Margery Allingham was Philip Youngman Carter. They were Essex/Suffolk people. Was there a famous Youngman of the area?
The Cawthorn family were wheelwrights in Lower Street. By 1881 William Cawthorne was a tailor at the Royal Naval College, Greenwich. His daughter, Mary Matilda was my father's maternal grandmother. Odd that the two halves my family should have originated in the same Norfolk village.