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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Saturday 08 December 12 14:59 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if someone could possibly confirm when James BUSHELL arrived in NSW. It seems it may have been between 1861 and 1863, conceivably jumping from a Royal Navy ship.
He spent his entire life near/around Wollongong, marrying Grace CALLAWAY in 1863 (two children) and Jane GILLESPIE in 1871 (nine children), although he died in Clunes, Victoria, in July 1928.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
Tony Cocks
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Well if James did jump from a RN Ship he wont have any immigration records. I take it you have him on the 1861 census and them his marriage in 1863 in NSW. Doubtful any tighter time frame could be achieved?
Neil
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I do not see a Victorian death registration for him in 1928.
However NSW BMDs show this death registration
13635/1928
James BUSHELL, father John, death registered LISMORE district.
In the column for mother's name it says "85 yrs, LISMORE"
I have occasionally come across death registrations which have been made in a particular registration district while the place of death is quite different.
You may find his death certificate gives his date of arrival - if the informant knew it. Victorian certificates often have that information, but I have little experience of NSW certificates.
You probably know that Transcription agents in NSW are a cheaper and quicker source for certificate information. Their names and contacts are on the NSW site:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
I note also an entry perhaps for his son, also in Lismore
17676/1944
James BUSHELL, parents: JAMES, GRACE, registered at LISMORE
Judith
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There is a James BUSHELL arriving Unassisted on the Nimroud (sic), 1857. Appears to be travelling alone. (Obviously it is not an uncommon name.)
James BUSHELL
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1857
Vessel Name: Nimroud
NSW Indexes show a Deceased estate entry which seems to match the Lismore death.
James BUSHELL, resident Richmond River, died 28/07/1928, dairy farmer
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
Judith
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I wonder if someone could possibly confirm when James BUSHELL arrived in NSW. It seems it may have been between 1861 and 1863, conceivably jumping from a Royal Navy ship.
Tony Cocks
Why do you think he jumped ship from the Royal Navy? Do you have evidence that he was in the Royal Navy? In which case his records should show that he deserted?
Have you looked at the various states' police gazettes or government gazettes? These usually list ships deserters.
Dawn M
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I think the above information re the Lismore death is probably the correct man. TROVE has notices from the Lismore Star about the death and funeral of James BUSHELL, 1928. Unfortunately they are not fully digitised but you can see that he passed away at his residence in Clunes, which is in NSW near Lismore (not the Clunes in Victoria).
Mention is made of children:
James BUSHELL, also a farmer of Clunes. There is a birth reg for this man at Wollongong 1870, s/o James and Grace
John H BUSHELL, of Eltham - Birth reg Wollongong 1879, s/o James and Jane
Mrs T NOBLE (dec)
Mrs T S KIRKLAND
Mrs James MORRIS
There are other children listed which are not available on-line until the digitisation is done. There are other mentions of him and his family - again only a summary visible at present.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
Judith
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Good Morning,
I note that in 1885 a James BUSHELL of American Creek, in the PD of Kiama and Post town of Mount Kembla held 180 acres, with five horses, 70 cows and 30 pigs!.
htioi
Terry
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Hi Tony :)
I see a James BUSHELL born c1842 Margate, Kent onboard Royal Navy vessel in Esquimault Harbour Vancouver Island on the 1861 census. It is possible that he jumped ship there and made his way to Australia. If he arrived as a crew I doubt you will find his arrival. Some passenger lists on ancestry list crew as unassisted immigrants but I can't see your James BUSHELL there. Perhaps he worked his way here on a cargo ship.
Many public tree have named James' place of death as Clunes, New South Wales. Clunes is north east of Lismore and was obviously in the registration district of Lismore in 1928. James died on 28 Jul 1928. Perhaps this is were you found the info.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Tony have made contact with an family researcher who has indicated he will have a look at this thread.
Cheers
Cando
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I don't have any specific information on his arrival in NSW from the UK. According to my info., he had 10 children (although the records being as they are, I wouldn't stake my life on it!) with Jane Gillespie and they were all born around the Wollongong area. It appears that sometime after all the children were born, the whole family moved north to Lismore and around the village of Clunes NSW. From memory, all the children were buried in Lismore, NSW. Grace Bushell was my wife's G. Grandmother.
Cheers,
Rex.
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Hi Rex :)
Welcome to rootschat :)
Pleased you found us. I am sure Tony will be pleased you have made contact.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hello Everyone,
Thank you for your responses and my apologies for answering this late, but my laptop and I have not exactly been on friendly terms over the past week!!!
I am fairly convinced that James Bushell's arrival in Australia will remain something of a mystery, except for the fact that in 1861 he was at Vancouver Island (1861 England Census) and, at least, on the right side of the world to reach Australia easily.
There is one more area that I have to investigate, namely, was he an "inmate" of the Philanthropic Institute from January 1855? The records for the Institute are retained by the Surrey History Centre but, sadly, they are annual stocktaking at the moment and it will be the New Year before I have the opportunity to carry on my research. The advantage of the Institute's records is that invariably names, addresses and occupations of parents are identified and the eventual disposal of the boys.......which, in James Russell's case, may show he joined the Royal Navy, a favourite disposal incidentally.
I shall update the thread as soon as possible in the New Year which hopefully, alongside Christmas, will be a happy one for all.
Take care,
Tony
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There is an on-line index for the Philanthropic society.
http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/449213/Philanthropic-Society-School-Redhill-Registers-of-Admissions.pdf
James BUSHELL
D o B 1844
Date of admission 4.1.1855
Notes: Emigrated to Sydney per "Nimrod", age given as 11 plus notes
Document reference: 2271/10/10 Page/Folio No: 175
Obviously there are some further notes to be seen in the actual records.
Seems quite a long way from Kent to Surrey (in those days) and one wonders if he was in trouble with the law as it seems that was one reason for admission.
Now, how do you know that your man finished up at the Philanthropic Society? This boy seems to be the one I found on an earlier post:
James BUSHELL
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1857
Vessel Name: Nimroud (sic)
I wonder if he came with others from the Philanthropic Society. And where did they go to in Australia? By yourself at the age of 11. :o I see a few others emigrating to various states of Oz in the 1850/60s from this institution - many to Canada also. I had a quick look at about half of the entries and didn't find anyone else emigrating on the same ship.
My reason for the query is that there is a family in 1851 census with surname BUSHEL - which may just be wrongly recorded. James BUSHEL, b 1843 Margate, is in the District Union Workhouse, Isle of Thanet. He is listed with what would seem to be his brothers - John aged 13 and George 4. All b Margate and all listed as 'son of a bricklayer'.
This corresponds with a birth reg from FreeBMD for a James BUSHELL, reg Isle of Thanet, Jul qr 1843. (Margate is part of this reg district.)
Seems as though this may be the father of the boys, also in the Workhouse as above - John BUSHEL, 45, bricklayers labourer. I think it says he's married - bit hard to read. Hmm - there's also an older man recorded near to the boys on the Workhouse list, so not sure.... Richard BUSHEL, widower, 63, bricklayer.
Anyhow, these boys may have nothing to do with your man; just seems a bit of a co-incidence. And whether it's your man or this boy in the RN :-\
Do you have the death cert? Just wondered if it gave the number of years in NSW. Dis he name Margate as his birthplace?
Judith
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Looking again at the passenger list for the Nimroud there are at least 2 other boys listed at the Philanthropic Society
John McGHEE; DoB 15.5.1841; admission 25.6.1855 Emigrated to Sydney plus notes, Ref: 2271/10/10 256
Thomas LAUCHLAN, DoB: 1840; admission: 4.1.1855 Emigrated to Sydney per "Nimrod", age given as
"15 nearly", letter plus notes Ref: 2271/10/10 180
Judith
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Hello Judb,
Thank you for the tip........I had not realised the Royal Philanthropic Society had digiitised the admission records in very much an abbreviated form. And thank you also for appearing to have corrected an overwhelming amount of belief that James BUSHELL arrived in Australia via the Royal Navy. I have always questioned the limited amount of time available for him to be recorded on the 1861 Census in Vancouver and marrying in July 1863 in Wollongong.
Certainly my proposed visit to the Surrey History Centre in the New Year is now more important than ever to unravel his parentage, the dates of his discharge from the Institute and eventual emigration to Sydney aboard the "Nimrod". There is so much conflicting Census detail that establishing his parentage will question a lot of the Family Tree answers!! Was he a "Pauper" for instance in 1851 as a James BUSHEL entry suggests?
You pose one other question........How did I know he had been an inmate of the Philanthropic Institute? James BUSHELL, alongside his co-defendant William Henry MOXOM, was sentenced to 4 years penal servitude at Dover Quarter Sessions on 31/03/1854, sent to Parkhurst Prison and from there transferred to the Philanthropic Institute on 04/01/1855. I did my usual research through Ancestry Family Trees and found an enormous number of entries for a James BUSHELL with the 1861-1863 timeframe, but none identifying him as a former inmate of Parkhurst Prison and the Philanthropic Institute. My initial reaction was to discard the Ancestry Family Tree connection........I will never learn!!
So a case of waiting for the New Year.
Regards
Tony
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Both the Criminal Register and the Philanthropic Society's index give the name of James' co-accused as William Henry MOXON. Seems he was discharged into the care of friends from the Society so he wasn't
transported as James did. Wonder which would think he had had a better deal in the end :-\ I see William MOXON an various censuses, with the occupation stonemason.
Judith
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Hello Judith,
I managed to complete my research on William Henry MOXON quite easily with straightforward reference to the Census etc.
As to which of the two boys fared better in the end I would not wish to comment.......I was a £10 POM and spent some very happy years in Hobart and Melbourne when God was a boy!!!
For now,
Tony
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you were probably on the same ship as my husband - he's older than God, I think. LOL. ;) Judith
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Have just read this thread. I am researching the James Bushell Family in NSW Australia. Am finding this very interesting. Anyone out there still interested - would like to share and compare information.
Lyn Kirkland
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hi Lyn and welcome to Rootschat.
Tony (BAC3) is researching many of the 'Parkhurst boys' who were sent to Australia in the mid 1800s, and it seems that James BUSHELL was one of them.
You may already have this information:
Austcemindex has a photo of the grave of James BUSHELL b 1843 and his wife Jane at Clunes cemetery, NSW. There are other BUSHELL gravestones shown: James b abt 1871 and his wife Beatrice (nee Clarke), Beatrice Mabel BUTLER (nee BUSHELL)
You may be interested in a number of KIRKLAND graves plus some with surname MOSES (just going on your surname and your chosen R'chat name). Probably good to look at the whole list of MIs at Clunes as there is at least one 'nee Moses)
http://austcemindex.com/?cemetery=clunes&state=NSW
Judith
(I have no further knowledge of your family - I'm just one of the genealogy fanatics who inhabit this site and enjoy the searches.) ;D
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Thanks Judith for your reply
Hope Tony ( BAC3) sees my post and gets in touch.
We live about 30 minutes drive from Clunes Cemetery and have visited many time over the years.
James Bushell was my husband's great grandfather, his daughter Mary Adelaide married Thomas Ernest Kirkland. Sorry with the confusion with my Roots chat name , no connection to any Moses family.
James obituary states ( if correct) he was 14 years when he came to Australia by himself- so that would make it 1857- which would possibly make the Nimrod right.
I am trying to follow up researching on all the bits of information that have come to light in this thread. Many thanks again, Lyn
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According to the info found by Tony, James may have been as young as 11 when he left for Australia.
Just adding the ref to his obit
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/93688776
Judith
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Hello Judith and Lyn,
Sadly these latest 2016 posts were not filtered through to me and only because of a stroke of complete good fortune I came across them and, obviously, am delighted with the contents.
Hopefully we can now be re-connected and exchange all the information we have.
For the moment
Tony
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for replying and glad you found my post.
My husband is the great great grandson of James Bushell but I am the one doing the research.
Have done a fair bit on the family in Australia.
Would love to make contact and compare info.
Not sure if I am allowed to put my e-mail in these messages - if so will give you my address or leave yours and i will be in touch
We live in Lismore about 30 minutes drive to Clunes Cemetery where James and his wife are burid
Bye for now
Lyn Kirkland
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Moses, you can use the Private Message system.
Click on BAC3's name on the left of one of his posts and you will get to his profile. Again on the left side you will see "Send PM". Click on this and you can send a private message which can include email addresses.
Judith
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James BUSHELL and Jane GILLESPIE
Are listed in my family Tree data
Join
NORTH COAST NSW FAMILIES Past & Present
https://www.facebook.com/groups/661391397329985/
Rod
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Hi Rod, How are you connected to James and Jane?
I am already a member of North Coast Families- Past& Present
Lyn Kirkland
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Lyn the connection I have is remote, John Herbert BUSHELL & Elizabeth NOBLE
1st Great aunt of wife of 2nd cousin 1x removed
Rod