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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Forfarian on Saturday 08 December 12 15:46 GMT (UK)
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I have in my tree Margaret Rowan Waddell, daughter of William Waddell, and Jean Buchanan, who married James Anderson in Lanarkshire in 1850. Margaret died in Scotland 1878, and I have her death certificate, which describes James as 'Landscape Artist'. I have also seen the marriage certificate of their daughter Elizabeth, born about 1856/7 in Melbourne, Victoria, who married William Richmond in Scotland just five months before her mother's death. This certificate also describes James as a Landscape Artist, and he was deceased by the date of Elizabeth's marriage on 5 June 1878. I have Elizabeth in the 1881 and 1891 census in Scotland, but I have not found any trace of James or Margaret in any census, or Elizabeth in 1861 or 1871.
Has anyone come across this family in Australia?
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I'm not sure if this is the right man as he is described as a portrait painter (rather than landscape) but the dates and residences match to some extent.
http://www.daao.org.au/bio/james-anderson/
regards,
Ros
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Thank you for the link. However the attached biography says that Anderson married Mrs Macleod some time after 1858. This won't fit with him marrying Margaret Rowan Waddell in 1850 and her outliving him and dying in 1878, unless they were divorced between the birth of Elizabeth and his marriage with Mrs Macleod. In which case it would be understandable that Margaret would have taken Elizabeth back to Scotland and given out that she was widowed.
Are there any records of divorces in Australia?
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Divorces in NSW http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ - can't see them
I don't think Victorian divorces are online http://prov.vic.gov.au/
regards,
Ros
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Getting late here and I'm flagging (4am!). ;D
I did look on http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54 for a will in Victoria. There are no James Anderson described as painter/artist but some just described as gentleman. They take a while to download so you need some patience.
regards,
Ros
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Not surprised you're flagging if it's 4 a.m.! That is dedication beyond the call of duty. Thank you very much indeed.
There are two James Andersons described as 'gentleman' in 1864 and 1869. One has a wife named Agnes, the other a wife named Hannah. So unless Mrs Macleod was either Agnes or Hannah, it's not him.
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Birth in Victoria
ANDERSON Edith ?
Father James
Mother Margaret Rowan WADDELL
Birth Place PRAHRAN
Year 1855
Reg Number: 6856
Sue
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Please can you tell us the names of JAMES ANDERSON's parents.
Sue
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Thank you, Sue. That's a great find. She
could must be an older sister of Elizabeth.
Wish I could tell you the names of James Anderson's parents. That's one of the things I'd eventually like to know.
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EDITH iseems to be the only birth recorded to the couple in Victoria.
Are the names Elizabeth and Edith interchangeable?
Sue
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Just spotted this--
Sadly she died young
ANDERSON Edith
Father James
Mother Margaret Rowan UNKNOWN
Age 4M
Birth Place PRAHRAN
Year 1855
Reg 4518
Sue
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Are the names Elizabeth and Edith interchangeable?
Not that I know of. On her marriage certificate she is Elizabeth Agnes, and in the 1881 and 1891 she is Elizabeth A.
But finding Edith, even if she died so young, is something positive, because it does prove that they were in the Melbourne area then.
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Hi, Don't know if this is much use or if you have all of his details but!
James Anderson was a British photographer who was born in 1813. James Anderson has had several gallery and museum exhibitions, including at the UCI Art Gallery and at the Impressions Gallery. Numerous works by the artist have been sold at auction, including 'VIEW OF ROME FROM THE FRENCH ACADEMY, MONTE PINCIO' sold at Christie's South Kensington in 2002 for $9,599. There have been Several articles about James Anderson, including 'Palm Springs Art Museum Receives Gift of Major Photography Collection' written for ArtDaily in 2008. The artist died in 1877
FROM
http://www.mutualart.com/Artist/James-Anderson/EF3ED7C365052572?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=james%20anderson&utm_campaign=Artist%20(2)&KEYWORD_K=james%20anderson&TRACKING_ID_K=42793697-7f45-f348-0ac7-00001afab65b&CHANNEL_K=google&CAMPAIGN_K=Artist%20(2)&AdGROUP_K=James%20Anderson&gclid=CKay7sbri7QCFQRLpgodHhoABA
Oops thats a very long URL. :D
Neil ;)
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Thanks, Neil
However I have already been able to eliminate this James Anderson. He married Maria de Mutis, and their son Domenico was born in Rome in 1854. As this is between 1850, the date of marriage of James Anderson to Margaret Rowan Waddell, and 1855/7, the dates of birth of their daughters Edith and Elizabeth, it can't be the same James Anderson.
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Hmm sorry I had thought that I was onto something there. However reading on he spent most of his time in Italy, strangely noted as a landscape artist. How odd! But there are an awful lot of James Andersons from Scotland. I did come across one in the 1841 census in what seems to be Trinity College. Wonder if that is him?
Neil
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Hmm sorry I had thought that I was onto something there. However reading on he spent most of his time in Italy, strangely noted as a landscape artist. How odd! But there are an awful lot of James Andersons from Scotland. I did come across one in the 1841 census in what seems to be Trinity College. Wonder if that is him?
No idea! As you say, it's a very common name in Scotland. I too thought I was on to something when I found him.
Bizarrely, the Roman photographer one wasn't a genuine James Anderson. Apparently he was born Isaac Atkinson in Cumberland in England, and later changed his name twice, eventually becoming James Anderson!
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,626881.0.html
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I wonder whether your search may benefit from seeing the birth or death certificate for EDITH
An uncertified image can be downloaded to your computer immediately upon payment of about Aus. $20.00. You will need the registration number which are given above on the index entries.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
This link shows what you may see on all Victorian certificates.
They hold a lot more information than most in the world. :)
Have a look in the VIC column here !
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Sue
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Thank you.
It looks as if a Victorian 1855 birth certificate contains pretty much the same information as a Scottish 1855 one, except that the Scottish one has the parents' full dates of birth as well as their ages :)
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Could be worth looking into Northern Ireland sources?
Free excerpts from http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Tuesday 24 September 1850 , Belfast News-Letter
Advertisements & Notices
James Anderson, artist, Belfast, to Margaret Rowan, only daughter of the late Wm. Waddell, Esq., writer, Glasgow ...
Monday 20 September 1852 , Belfast News-Letter
Advertisements & Notices
Mr. James Anderson, a young artist of rising celebrity in this town, but about to emigrate to Australia ...
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Fantastic, Gali - thank you very much indeed.
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Given the Belfast connection between the husband of Margaret Rowan Waddell and the artist detailed in the link (provided by rosball) as marrying Mrs M(a)cleod I've been looking into the possibility of these James Andersons being one in the same ... and of course I've found absolutely nothing concrete!
Mrs M(a)cleod's maiden name was Julianna Mary Esner ... can't see any marriage in VIC or NSW between her and Anderson? It looks as if she died in Mosman in 1908, death registered in the name of 'Julia Macleod'.
A short biography of her son, William Macleod, explains that the relationship was not a happy one: 'Unhappily Anderson became a drunkard and the boy had a miserable childhood. At 12 years of age he obtained a position with a photographer, and he began studying at a school of arts where he won prizes. Five years later he was earning enough to be able to make a home for his mother'
http://gutenberg.net.au/dictbiog/0-dict-biogMc.html
The NSW State Library has James Anderson (the 'husband' of Mrs M(a)cleod) passing away in 1877 ... but I can't tie this in with any deaths on the NSW BDM site or any hints on Trove either. http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/simpleSearch.aspx?authority=creatorauthorartist&ID=109708
So still no further sadly!
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Index to Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK, NZ and Foreign Ports 1852 - 1923
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=42
Passenger list of 'Chimborazo', leaving Melbourne Nov 1877 to London includes:
Anderson, Eliza, Miss, aged 21
Anderson, Margt, Mrs, aged 53
Richmond, William, aged 28
The ages look right I think? - so somewhere to start from?!
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Thank you again, Gali
That passenger list is very interesting. It does look very much like Elizabeth with her mother and her future husband. All three ages match exactly.
As Edith and Elizabeth were both born in Melbourne, and they embarked on the 'Chimborazo' in Melbourne, would it be reasonable to suppose that James died in VIC rather than NSW?
And James didn't actually marry Mrs M(a)cleod because he already had a wife?
Interestingly, Margaret died of an overdose of alcohol.
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There look to be 63 deaths registered in the name of 'James Anderson' in VIC between 1856 and 1878!
Have you seen the 7 page Will and 3 page Inventory for Margaret Rowan Anderson on SP?
I wonder if this snippet might be worth investigating:
MR. JAMES ANDERSON, Artist, supposed to be in Sydney, New South Wales, is requested to communicate with Messrs. CLAYTON and ATKINSON, Solicitor, Melbourne, who has communications from his relative, Sir James Anderson, of Glasgow, requiring his immediate attention.
The Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday 1 September 1859
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Here's one Sir James Anderson http://atlantic-cable.com/CablePioneers/Anderson/index.htm - he must have been a contemporary of 'my' JA, artist
and another: "James Anderson was the eldest son of John Anderson, the founder of Fermoy, by his second wife, Elizabeth, the only daughter of Mr James Semple, of Waterford. He was created a baronet on 22 March 1813, of Fermoy in the County of Cork, for the great public services rendered to Ireland by his father. Sir James was a celebrated experimentalist in steam-coaching, and took out various patents for his inventions. He lodged specifications in 1831 for "improvements in machinery for propelling vessels on water", in 1837 for "improvements in locomotive engines", and in 1846 for "certain improvements in obtaining motive power, and in applying it to propel carriages and vessels, and to the driving of machinery". He died in London 4 April 1861"
I've have seen the will now - would have found it earlier if it had come up in a search for Waddell. Basically she left her estate to her children Elizabeth and Arthur, who was in Brighton, VIC. So he remained in Australia after his mother and sister came back to Scotland.
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Burial of an Arthur Waddell Anderson at Fawkner 26 July 1932 aged 71
http://www.heavenaddress.com/Arthur-Waddell--ANDERSON/204490/
Death reg says father Anderson :( at Burwood Vic age 71 reg 8602
There is a marriage for Arthur Waddell Anderson and Grace Ellen Gellie in 1880 in vic reg 5038
regards,
Ros
adding : do we know when Arthur was born? Am I on the wrong track?
Here is the death notice which gives children and family (but not parents)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4464771
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A public tree on A/try says place of birth Inglewood, VIC c. 1861, apparently this from the marriage certificate?
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On electoral rolls I see he is a painter :D (probably a house painter?)
1914 Fitzroy
Anderson Arthur Waddell, 361 George St, Fitzroy, Painter
Anderson Ellen Grace 361 George St, Fitzroy Home Duties
1919 Carlton
Anderson Arthur Wadell, 196 Canning St, Carlton, Painter
Anderson Ellen Grace 196 Canning St Carlton, Home Duties
1924 Fitzroy
Anderson Arthur Waddell 128 cecil St, Fitzroy, Painter
Anderson Ellen Grace, 128 cecil st, Fitzroy, Home Dutie
Anderson Evelyn 128 cecil st, Fitzroy, machinist
regards,
Ros
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Death notice for Ellen Grace Anderson in 1951
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23073157
regards,
Ros
ANDERSON.—On August 26 at her home 527 Brunswick street
Fitzroy, Ellen Grace dearlv loved wife of the late Arthur Waddell loving mother of Walter,
Leslie, Herbert and Evelvn (Mrs Smith) also the late Nellie, Alfred, Mabel and Percy In her
93 rd vear At rest
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So, not yet finding a birth for Arthur Waddell Anderson in VIC c.1861.
Also not yet finding a birth for Elizabeth Anderson in VIC c.1856/7?
Was the recording of births statutory in VIC at this time?
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Thank you! That's wonderful. I did look for a birth for Arthur, but without success.
That 1932 death notice is very hard to read but the 1951 one is better.
Also found an article about Arthur getting himself into bother with the law over a tram ticket in 1924!
I wonder if James' father could have been Arthur? There are no Arthurs that I know of in Margaret Waddell's family.
I found these in the nla newspapers
On the 20th inst, at Auckland-street, St Kilda, Mrs James Anderson, of a daughter. [Melbourne Argus, 23 April 1856]
On the 3rd inst, at Ackland-street, St Kilda, Mrs James Anderson, of a son. [Melbourne Argus, 6 July 1858]
On the 31st ult, at Ackland-street, St Kilda, Mrs James Anderson, of a son. [Melbourne Argus, 1 February 1861]
The first and last would fit very well with Elizabeth and Arthur. Are there street directories for around 1860?
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Listed in my previous post is the recorded birth to JAMES and MARGARET ROWAN .....
There are dozens of JAMES ANDERSONs having families etc. in Vic
FYI
ANDERSON Unnamed Female
Father James
Mother Ann TURNBULL
Birth Place: ST KILDA
Year1856
Reg 4279
ANDERSON William Archer
Father James
Mother Fanny VICK
Birth Place ST KILDA
Year 1861
Reg 1548
ANDERSON James
Father James
Mother Fanny Vick
Place St Kilda
Year 1858
Reg 11001
Sue
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Ah, well there goes a nice theory. Thank you.
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Free excerpts from http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
Tuesday 24 September 1850 , Belfast News-Letter
Managed to find the full text .... they were married by Rev Andrew Thomson, uncle of the bride .... that led me to unearth a whole new branch of the family. Thanks again!
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Great!
As the trail for 'your James' seemed to go cold in AUS I thought it might be worth looking again at early 1850s Belfast and turned up a few other snippets, with the disclaimers that they may or may not be 'your' James Anderson of course:
Belfast Street Directory from 1852
Anderson, James, portrait painter, 26 Hamilton Street
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852names.htm
Monday 14 June 1852 , Belfast News-Letter
Records the death at 'No. 23, Hamilton Street, the infant son of Mr James Anderson'
Also, I copied this excerpt before, but have now read the full article:
Monday 20 September 1852 , Belfast News-Letter
Advertisements & Notices
'Mr. James Anderson, a young artist of rising celebrity in this town, but about to emigrate to Australia ...'
The full text of the excerpt mentions that the toast at this event to mark the departure of Anderson was given by a 'Washington Murphy' ...
The 1852 Belfast Street Directory lists:
Murphy, Dr. Washington, surgeon, 11 Donegall Street
Melbourne Argus, 22 Aug 1853:
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. ARRIVED.
Washington Murphy, Esq , M D., Surgeon
Melbourne Argus, 26 July 1856:
DOMESTIC INTELLIGENCE
James Washington Murphy, M.D., to be Coroner for Beechworth
The DAOO biography of 'James Anderson' posted by rosball lists that Anderson was in Beechworth in c.1857
August 1856 Victoria Government Gazette
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1856/V/general/92.pdf
you need page 1258, a list of Beechworth worthies which includes 'Washington Murphy MD JP' at the top and 'James Anderson RHA', the penultimate name in the first column
RHA = Royal Hibernian Academy? Another avenue to explore?
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And ...
I already mentioned that 'Mrs M(a)cleod's maiden name was Julianna (and variants Julia, Juliana) Mary Esner ... can't see any marriage in VIC or NSW between her and Anderson?' BUT ...
I note the 1857 Sydney marriage of a 'James Anderson' and a 'Mary Mcleod', reg 911/1857 and a 'Mary Macleod', also reg 911/1857
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James Washinton Murphy died in Vic.
MURPHY James Washington
Father: John
Mother:
Age 50
Birth Place IRELAND
Year 1877
Reg Number 6711
I note the 1857 Sydney marriage of a 'James Anderson' and a 'Mary Mcleod', reg 911/1857 and a 'Mary Macleod', also reg 911/1857
The apparent double registration is part of the online seach mechanism to avoid the confusion between Mc and Mac. All surnames with the prefix are listed under both variants.
Sue
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Dated June 1877
QUOTE
Notice is hereby given, that aftor the expiration of fourteen days from tho publication hereof application will be made to tbe Supreme Court of the colony of Victoria, in its Probate jurlsdition, that LETTERS of ADMINISTRATION oí the real .........estate of JAMES WASHINGTON MURPHY, Inthe town of Towong, in the colony of Victoria, doctor ......deceased, intestate, may bo granted to Viviian Murphy, of Towong aforesaid, gentleman, tbe eldest son of the deceased.
End QUOTE
Sue
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Hi sparrett, yes, Washington Murhpy's will is online at http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54 f but sadly (for us!) doesn't mention old drinking partners!
Are the contents of the Anderson-M(a)cleod NSW marriage certificate only available by purchasing the certificate from NSW BDMs?
Also (not being as familiar with AUS records as I am with English and Scottish ones) what is the explanation for not being able to locate VIC birth certs for Elizabeth Agnes and Arthur Waddell Anderson? When did the recording of births become statutory in VIC?
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Yes to find further details many people use the option of a transcription through an agent, rather than a certified copy. Cheaper.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Here is a link to what you may find on Australian certificates- Also the link will show you the starting year of statutory registration in the states.
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Sue
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Excellent Sue, thanks for that ... it looks as if VIC birth records were statutory from July 1853 ... so that's not the explanation for a lack of VIC birth record for Elizabeth Agnes Anderson c.1856/7 and Arthur Waddell Anderson c. 1861 ...
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More thanks to both. That's all very helpful, even if the birth certs are apparently missing.
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Just got home and looked in my 'Australian Vital Records' CDs.
There is a death in 1878 in VIC of James Anderson, aged 45, born Ireland, mother Maria Robertson. 45 is a bit on the young side, but not impossible, though it would make him about 8-10 years younger than his wife.
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Hi Forfarian, yes, certainly a very young groom but as you say, not impossible.
I have definitely drawn a blank in trying to link 'your' James Anderson with 'the' James Anderson of the DAOO biography!
But a few final interesting finds via Trove:
Friday 17 June 1853, The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
FINE ARTS- James Anderson, Portrait Painter, in Oil, 150, Stephen-street, between Rowe's Circus, and La Trobe-street. Specimens to be seen at his rooms
Tuesday 23 August 1853, The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
LOCHIEL, Ship - Washington Murphy MD will find his friend James Anderson from Belfast at 150 Stephen Street
Wednesday 2 September 1857, The Star (Ballarat, Vic. : 1855 - 1864)
MYSTERIOUS MURDER AT BEECHWORTH.
Mr.MacLeod, landlord of the Southern Cross Restaurant, in Beechworth, was an habitual drunkard. For the last two months he was incessantly drunk-and a few days ago he was discovered kneeling in his bedroom dead. At the inquest, his wife was one of the witnesses, and she admitted that the night before his death, she had given him some laudanum in a glass of brandy. She could not say how much - " could not be certain to a drop or two." He had been accustomed to use laudanum when menaced by delirium tremens. Medical witnesses were of opinion that MacLeod had died of a narcotic poison. It leaked out that deceased was jealous of one of his lodgers, and that he had had a quarrel with his wife the night before his death. The jury returned a verdict that "the death of MacLeod was occasioned by drunken-ness and a narcotic poison," but the coroner refused to receive it, on the ground that it was contrary to the evidence. They then brought in a verdict of wilful murder against some person or persons unknown.
Wednesday 2 September 1857, The Star (Ballarat, Vic. : 1855 - 1864)
ALLEGED MURDER AT BEECHWORTH
Juliana Macleod, the wife of the deceased, William Dixon, and Andrew Simmons, charged with being concerned in the death of William Macleod, of the Southern Cross restaurant, High-street, were brought up at the Police Court on the 24th and 25th of August. The various witness underwent a long examination, ultimately the Bench discharged the two male prisoners, re-marking there was not the slightest evidence against them. In the case of Mrs Macleod, it was thought there was sufficient evidence to warrant sending it to a jury. the accused was therefore committed to take her trial for the capital offence, at the next Circuit Court, on ¡he 4th November. Bail has been refused upon a first application
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Friday 9 October 1857
Mrs. MacLeod.-This woman, who was accused of poisoning her husband, at the Southern Cross restaurant in Beechworth, has been set at liberty, the Attorney-General being of opinion that the evidence would not warrant a conviction.
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Fascinating!
Mrs Macleod's son William is said to have been born in England in 1850, and to have emigrated in his fifth year, shortly after which his father died. Then he had a miserable childhood with his drunken stepfather James Anderson, before becoming an apprentice at age 12, after which he was able to earn enough to provide a home for himself and his mother.
Arthur Waddell Anderson, to whom his mother Margaret Rowan Anderson left part of her estate, died in 1932, aged 71. Therefore he would have been born in 1860 or 1861. Therefore it looks as if James Anderson and Margaret Rowan Waddell were still living as man and wife in 1859/60. There's hardly time for James to leave Margaret, get divorced, marry Mrs Macleod and give William a miserable childhood, given that William was already 10 years old when Arthur was born, and that he left home within, at most, 2 years of Arthur's birth.
Unless of course Arthur wasn't in fact the son of James Anderson. Or there were two or more James Andersons who have subsequently been merged into one.
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It did occur to me that one explanation for there being no birth certs evident in the names of 'Elizabeth Anderson' or 'Arthur Anderson' could be that their births were registered in another name.
But I'm sure there are also lots of other alternate explanations!
One that will have to remain a mystery perhaps.
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There is a death in 1878 in VIC of James Anderson, aged 45, born Ireland, mother Maria Robertson. 45 is a bit on the young side, but not impossible, though it would make him about 8-10 years younger than his wife.
I looked again at that death. It names his wife as Charlotte Eliza Alsop, which seems to rule him out as being the artist. They were married in VIC in 1864, which is before his wife Margaret Rowan Waddell and their daughter Elizabeth Agnes returned to the UK.
Have also been thinking about William Macleod's abusive and drunken stepfather, and wondering if it was the Mr Macleod who was murdered in 1856 who was the drunken stepfather rather than James Anderson?
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Drat, that last theory won't wash either.
William Macleod and Julianna Mary Esner were married in Reading, Berkshire in 1848 and had two children, William, born 1850 and Charlotte Mary, born 1852, both in London Marylebone. The 1851 census lists them in London: William Macleod, 40, fruiterer and greengrocer; wife Julianna, 26, and son William F, 5 months, all born London.
Maybe it was a case of a drunken father rather than a drunken stepfather.
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The only progress I made with this one was I found that the 1878 will of William Semple Waddell which mentions the executrix 'Mrs Margaret Waddell or Anderson, widow of James Anderson sometime artist in Melbourne thereafter in Sidney' (sic).
This led me to look into NSW records a bit further and I found mention in the A'try dataset 'NSW Gaols 1818-1930' mention of a 'James Anderson, artist' born in Belfast who spent time in, I think, Darlinghurst gaol ... but no clear evidence as to which 'James Anderson, artist' this might have been of course. This was a while ago and I no longer have a subscription so sorry I can't give more detail.
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The only progress I made with this one was I found that the 1878 will of William Semple Waddell which mentions the executrix 'Mrs Margaret Waddell or Anderson, widow of James Anderson sometime artist in Melbourne thereafter in Sidney' (sic).
Ah yes, I have that too.
William Semple Waddell died on 29 July 1877 in Auchingramont Road, Hamilton. So I speculate that Margaret was notified of the death, and that she was executrix, and she got on the next available boat home. Maybe William Richmond, who was born in Hamilton and still living there in 1871, actually went to Australia to escort her and Elizabeth Agnes home, where they moved into William's house.
This led me to look into NSW records a bit further and I found mention in the A'try dataset 'NSW Gaols 1818-1930' mention of a 'James Anderson, artist' born in Belfast who spent time in, I think, Darlinghurst gaol ... but no clear evidence as to which 'James Anderson, artist' this might have been of course. This was a while ago and I no longer have a subscription so sorry I can't give more detail.
Now that is new to me! I don't have a subscription either but I should be in Aberdeen soon, and the Family History Society has a subscription so I can use that to take a look. Thanks, Gali!
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Awwww :(
The NSW State Archives has an online index to prisoners, and the oldest James Anderson in Darlinghurst was born in 1844. There is an Irish-born one, but he was born in 1862.
There was also an Irish-born James Anderson in Maitland, but he was born in 1841 so again he's far too young.
And there are no James Andersons at all born before 1841.
Back to the drawing board.
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I think it's A'try dataset 'NSW, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930' that had the information I found. I'm not sure it's available via the NSW State Archives online search.
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Ancestry's source is the NSW archives. Ancestry has a commercial partnership with them at present. Ancestry's dataset is complied from several of the online indexes available from NSW archives.
I will phone the Archives tomorrow to see if they can check.
JM
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Yes, says here that the records are accessible online via A'try and via microfiche from NSW Archives ...
https://blogs.ancestry.com.au/ancestry/2010/12/13/new-south-wales-gaol-description-and-entrance-books-1818-1930/
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Thanks, but since the NSW Archives' own online index to prisoners in the Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930 doesn't list any James Andersons born before 1841, whoever it was, it wasn't mine, because he got married in 1850.
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Found the mention of Belfast in the Darlinghurst Gaol book, 1871-1872.
No. 4668
Name James ANDERSON
Ship See No. 4499, 1850 (see below for JM note #1)
Where Born Belfast (see below for JM note #2)
Religion Non conf (as in Non Conformist, so Protestant but not C of E)
Trade …. No entry recorded
Age … no entry recorded
Height … no entry recorded
Mark … no entry recorded
Complexion … no entry recorded
Color of Hair … no entry recorded
Color of eyes … no entry recorded (see below for JM note #3)
Education RW (as in Read and Write)
Remarks … no entry recorded
Note # 1
See 4499 means to go back through and find the entry numbered 4499
1850 is the year of arrival, so I went back to entry number 4499 (image 164) and found: James Anderson, not known, Ireland, Non conformist, 52, RW… so the ‘not known’ is for the ship of arrival …
Note # 2
Belfast I carefully note that it does NOT say Belfast, Ireland. Other entries on same page read Emu Plains NSW, Sydney, Scotland, London, Liverpool NSW, England, Sweden, Ireland … etc
So BELFAST may mean Belfast, Ireland, BUT in 1870s it may be pointing to Belfast, Victoria… I am sure that Belfast in the 1870s could well refer to what is now known as Port Fairy, in Victoria, I think it was one of the Whaling Stations in the 1870s. BUT if we take into consideration the entry 4499 and the entry 4668, then it is referring to Belfast, Ireland.
Note # 3
And at line 4499, still no info re height, complexion, or similar , not even a trade...
I have not yet heard back from my Archivist contact, but I will post again once I have heard back.
I am doubtful that this could be the elusive Landscape Artist. ;) ;) ;D
JM
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Thanks, JM, that is very kind of you.
The information sort of fits. Coming from Belfast (Ireland) my James Anderson is very likely to have been a presbyterian. I know that he was in Belfast on 20 September 1852 and in Melbourne in time to set up a business and advertise it on 17 June 1853, which considerably narrows down his date of arrival. Assuming that his journey took 3 months, he cannot have arrived until late December 1852, and he surely must have arrived by the end of May 1853.
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:D :D
I will keep at this one then...... ;D
Darlinghurst Gaol in the 1870s ...
Landscape artist .... well the buildings ... they are now used as a centre for the fine arts .....
JM
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There's something odd about James Anderson's son-in-law William Richmond too. His family are in the 1901 census in Glasgow and the 1911 census in St Albans in England but he is not, even though his wife says in both that she is married, not widowed, and I can't find him anywhere. Weird.
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Just found an article in The Age of 1 September 1857, which is a report of evidence about the death, or possibly murder, of Mr MacLeod. Among other evidence was a statement by Mr MacLeod, reported by one of the witnesses, that Mr MacLeod had found his wife in bed with an artist by the name of Anderson, who had been lodging in the Southern Cross Hotel, Mr MacLeod's establishment in Beechworth, and who had 'estranged the affections of his wife'. Anderson denied it, as you would expect.
Interestinger and interestinger, to coin a phrase.
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Darlinghurst Gaol, 1870
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James ANDERSON, per Andromeda, 1852, Ireland, Protestant, Artist, aged 50,
JM
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Fantastic, JM. That's definitely got to be him.
Which explains why he seems to vanish from the scene in 1870. And of course raises 1001 new questions. What was he jailed for? How long was he in jail? And so on.
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Yes, loads of questions, and I am scant for spare moments....
Likely he would have been residing in Sydney, so may I suggest trying the free to search City of Sydney Sands Directories ... both by surname and by occupation
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
I have electoral rolls covering NSW in 1870, hard copy at home, and I am not at home, could be a week or so before I get home ::) ::) ::)
JM
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Thank you! That is all very useful.
I have just trawled through Trove for 1870, and there are three reports of James Andersons being jailed. Unfortunately two of them were in VIC and I'm not sure about the last one. I will try again in the morning as I am just about cross-eyed now.