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I am researching this person who was a decorative artist in Ballarat in the late 1850s and left for NZ at the end of 1863. He may have returned to Australia in early 1870s. Any information is welcome. I have consulted Prof Google and usual sources of information - anyone out there related to him???
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I am researching this person who was a decorative artist in Ballarat in the late 1850s and left for NZ at the end of 1863. He lived and worked in Christchurch from 1863 to 1870ish. He may have returned to Australia in early 1870s. Any information is welcome. I have consulted Prof Google and usual sources of information - anyone out there related to him???
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Hi Tommyonions,
You probably already know that he appears in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography, but just in case.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1s20/1
Spades
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Death in Victoria:
ST QUINTIN John Calcott age 68yrs d. 1886 CLIFTON HI #8673
Inquest:
ST QUINTIN John Calcott age 68yrs 1886
Place: Yarra Bend
Reference: 898
Cause: Brain Disease
He died at Yarra Bend Asylum.
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I can't find any ST QUENTIN's in the new Zealand White Pages.
There are over a hundred references to him on Papers Past http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ between 1865 and 1870. One advertisement in The Press describes him as an architect.
Search term; 'j c st quentin', but try other terms.
Spades
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There is further information in his records here:
http://210.8.122.120/publications/documents/07446-P0001-000001.pdf
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Duplicate thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,627154.0.html
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Duplicate thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,627155.0.html
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Hi,
Melbourne (Sands) Directory 1875.
PRAHRAN
Princess St N-side.
11. St Quentin, John C.
ALPHABETICAL
St Quentin, J, C., designer & decorative artist, 11 Princess St, Pra.
Regards
Gerry
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Checked out ALL usual places, Papers Past, BDM, census etc; found some refs to him in digitised Aust papers named as the contractor for the building of a United Prespyterian Church and getting poked in the eye by an angry Italian drummer at an opera in Ballarat- I kid you not.
He was a well known figure in ChCh for a few years and then disappeared. Painted the ceiling of the Stone Chamber of the Provincial Council Building - and a lot of other stuff; started calling himself an architect in 1869 after he sold his painting business; was a mate of my great great grandfather William Brassington.
He had a son also called John, who was also a painter and went bankrupt in 1882 or thereabouts and may have gone to Australia; and a daughter Sarah Priscilla Ellen who married William Dawe and had 6 children in NZ.
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Now I am confused - - I put same post on two boards.
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Why are you confused :o
You asked a question... we are giving you the answers :D
His wife's death in VIC:
STQUINTIN Sarah Ann age 61yrs d. 1877 #2663
Birth Place: ENGLAND
Father: Toll William
Mother: Mary STEVENSON
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The mods pointed out I had duplicated the post - I had put it on Aus and NZ boards.
Was not confused by your response Merlin - thanks for the information.
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The mods pointed out I had duplicated the post - I had put it on Aus and NZ boards.
Was not confused by your response Merlin - thanks for the information.
You can have the two threads merged to stop your confusion if you like :)
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That might confuse me even more.
Never managed to find St Q in UK census. Where did you get the medical info and wife's info from?
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A possibility for the 1841 England Census.
Parish of St Benedict, Norwich.
Upper Newstead Street.
Charles St Quintin, 50, painter,
Susanna St Quintin, 50.
John St Quintin, 23.
Sarah St Quintin, 24.
Mary St Quintin, 20.
Elizabeth St Quintin, 15.
Emma, St Quintin, 13.
Charles St Quintin, 4.
All born in the County.
For the John, the age is about correct and his father was a painter.
Gerry
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Great. Thank you.
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The Sarah Quintin must be his wife as she was a year older than him.
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John St QUINTON, baptised 8th Feb 1818, St Benedict Parish Church, Father, Charles, painter, mother, Susanna.
There are other children.
Gerry
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John St QUINTIN m. Sarah Ann TOLL 26 Aug 1835 St Benedict, Norwich, Norfolk, England
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Yes, Sarah would have been his wife in 1841.
A baptism of a child for John & Sarah.
Charles William Quinton, baptised St Benedict Parish Church 18th Oct 1836, father, John & mother, Sarah.
Gerry
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1851 England Census.
St Peters, Mancroft, Norwich, Norfolk.
John St Quinton, head, married, 33, Plumer glasier & decorator, employing 10 men & 3 apprentices, born in Norwich.
Sarah Anne St Quinton, wife, 34, married, born in Norfolk.
Charles Wm St Quinton, son, 14, born in Norwich.
John Alfred Ernest St Quinton, son, 3, born in Norwich.
Sarah Priscilla, Ellen St Quinton, daughter, 1, born in Norwich.
Jane Southgate, Servant, 17.
Gerry
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Marriage in NSW in 1871
John Callcott St Quentin & Elizabeth Dedden.
125/1871.
District: Sydney.
Gerry
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Newspaper marriage notice in 1871.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60870070?searchTerm=
Looks like it states that John was formerly of Picardy France!
Gerry
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Great stuff. Thank you all for your efforts! I am new at all this and have been on this character's trail for a while now.
i had already found a ref to St Q being the 'contractor' for the building of the Ebenezer United Prespyterian church Armstrong St Ballarat when the foundation stone was laid in in 1862. He declared himself insolvent at the end of 1863 - departed for NZ around that time. Any info anyone can dig up on that would be great.
Also he got punched in the eye by an angry Italian drummer at an opera in 1859. :) Drink was involved. Wonder if his brain disease was alcohol related? He was partial to brandy.
So we know he went to Oz between 1851 and 1859. To NZ at end of 1863 and back to Oz before 1875 when he appears on the Sands directory.
Will have to track down Charles. He might have stayed in England of course.
'Formerly of Picardy' would be pretty much in keeping with what I know of St Q but may have been a bit of journalistic license given the town of St Quentin is in Picardy.
Thank you all again.
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A possibility for his return trip Australia.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
ST QUENTIN —- MR Aged 46 MAR 1870. Per CLAUD HAMILTON N 103 002
(N= Departed from NZ)
The age is not quite right, but there are often errors.
Sue
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He and SARAH had four children in Victoria.
Do you have them?
Mary Victoria St Quentin
Father John Calicott St Quentin
Mother Sarah Anna Toll
Ballarat East, Victoria
Year1858
Victoria
#11550
Victor Frederlck St Quentin
Father John Calicott St Quentin
Mother Sarah Anna Toll
Ballarat East, Victoria
Year1856
Victoria
#1601
Frances Jane St Quentin
Father John Calicott St Quentin
Mother Sarah Anna Toll
Victoria
Year:1855
Victoria
#1908
Emma Susanna St Quentin
Father John Calicott St Quentin
MotherSarah Anna Toll
Ballarat East, Victoria
Year:1858
Victoria
# 11549
Frances Jane St Quentin
Died Victoria
Age3 Months
Father John Calicott
Mother Sarah Anna Toll
Year 1855
Victoria
#3454
Sue
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No I didn't, thank you. No information about any of them in NZ. Only known to have had 2 children here - John and Sarah (Ellen)
So we have :
Charles William born in Norwich 1836
John Alfred Ernest born in Norwich 1848
Sarah Pricilla, Ellen born in Norwich 1850
Frances Jane born Victoria 1855; died 3 months
Victor Frederick 1856
Mary Victoria and Emma Susannah 1858
What happened to Charles, Victor and the twins? 12 year gap between Charles and John is interesting.
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A possibility for his return trip Australia.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=23
ST QUENTIN —- MR Aged 46 MAR 1870. Per CLAUD HAMILTON N 103 002
(N= Departed from NZ)
The age is not quite right, but there are often errors.
Sue
Hmm he'd have actually been 52 - might have wanted to turn the clock back.
Was that record just for him?
I found :
Mrs Miss and Master St Quentin left for Newcastle on the Australind Saloon but stupidly didn't note the date. Will have to retrace my steps on that one.
1874 Aug 29 Mr and Mrs St Quentin left on the Albion - This might be the son John and wife because he went bankrupt in 1874 and left for Aust.
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5th August 1861 the Victorian Lands & Suvey Office gazetted a list of Title Deeds that could be received once paid for at the required Pay Office.
Listed under file 252 was St Quentin. J. C., for 20 p at Ballaarat once the deeds were paid for at the Ballaarat Office.
20 = 20 perches.
Gerry
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John's Insolvency was Gazetted on page 2339 12th October 1863.
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Gerry
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New Zealand Directory (Stevens) 1866-1867.
CHRISCHURCH ALPHABETICAL DIRECTORY 1866
St Quentin. J. C., painter & paper hanger, High St.
Gerry
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sii/
Heading to Sydney in 1870
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sij/
Birth notice of the twin girls in 1858
Sue
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A John Colcott St Quentin Esquire, was appointed Adjutant of the Geelong Volunteer Rifles Corps on 8th January 1855.
Gazette Notice 26th April 1855, John Anthony Layard replaced John Colcott St Quentin Esquire whom had resigned.
Gerry
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This could be the arrival of ELIZABETH DEDDEN in NSW. Assisted immigration
DEDDEN Elizabeth aged 3 per Tamar Date 1853 for Sydney and/or Newcastle and family
Reel 2136, [4/4790]; Reel 2465, [4/4935]
With
DEDDEN Charles 7
DEDDEN Sarah 1
DEDDEN George 8
DEDDEN Esther 31
DEDDEN Charles 32
Possibly her birth in UK
DEDDEN Elizabeth Sarah
Poplar
2/365
June 1/4/1849
I add this NSW marriage as being of possible interest :-\
Though I see no divorce from JOHN St QUENTIN
Reg 717 In 1873 MORLAND JOHN
To DEDDEN ELIZABETH
SYDNEY
Sue
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John's Insolvency was Gazetted on page 2339 12th October 1863.
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Gerry
By which time he was already in NZ - in Dunedin
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New Zealand Directory (Stevens) 1866-1867.
CHRISCHURCH ALPHABETICAL DIRECTORY 1866
St Quentin. J. C., painter & paper hanger, High St.
Gerry
Got pretty much all NZ stuff now I think although only just established he went to Dunedin before ChCh.
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A John Colcott St Quentin Esquire, was appointed Adjutant of the Geelong Volunteer Rifles Corps on 8th January 1855.
Gazette Notice 26th April 1855, John Anthony Layard replaced John Colcott St Quentin Esquire whom had resigned.
Gerry
Yes found that - was quite a to do with all manner of accusations been thrown around. St Q also claims in NZ to have been an experienced digger. Possible that he was on the gold fields?
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Found a reference to Mary St Q at school ChCh June 1870; the 'Mrs Miss and Master' who left on the Albion in November 1870 may have been Sarah Ann, Victor and Mary. Did the other twin die?
Found ref to an anonymous and seemingly threatening letter sent to St Q in Feb 1870. Was that what prompted him to flee NZ?
Strange coincidence in light of the Melbourne connection - the carpenter killed in the steam boat collision in Port Chalmers in 1863 had been employed by St Q in Ballarat; the boat's name was the Pride of the Yarra.
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Thanks everyone - great help! Any other stuff welcome.
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=John+Calcott+St+Quentin
Is this him?
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Hmm he'd have actually been 52 - might have wanted to turn the clock back.
Which is likely with the age difference between him and the new wife ELIZABETH :-X
Sue
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Indeed - more than old enough to be her father. By all accounts he was a charisimatic and good looking man but even so she was 12 years younger than his oldest son!
Speaking of whom - "Feb 5th 1886 Montague Street South Brisbane the wife of WC Quinton Esq of a son" - would have been 49 if St Q's son.
Might not be him but spelling same as earlier family records and he may not have reinvented himself as a St Quentin.
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John Alfred Ernest St Quentin married Mary Ann Emerson in New Zealand in 1870.
1870/7665
They may have come back to Australia.
Gerry
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The mods are imforming others that you have a thread on another board to save duplication of information
Cheers Janette
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Thanks - I thought that I'd put the same post on the Oz and Kiwi boards - didn't realise it would cause confusion. :)
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John Alfred Ernest St Quentin married Mary Ann Emerson in New Zealand in 1870.
1870/7665
They may have come back to Australia.
Gerry
Yes they did - in 1874 on Albion to Melbourne.
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Yes - had found that story. Love it.
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I have now merged the two threads as the Australian one seems to be taking off whereas the NZ one only had a couple of replies. Best to keep everything on the one page, as it were :)
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Charles & Susanna were still alive in 1861.
Neigham, Norwich.
Charles St Quintin, 74, Decorative painter.
Susanna St Quintin, 71, Wife.
Gerry
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Possible deaths in the same Quarter 1865.
Charles St Quintin, December Quarter 1865, Norwich, Vol 4b, Page 122.
Susannah St Quintin, December Quarter 1865, Norwich, Vol 4b, Page 120.
Gerry
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Marriage.
Charles William St Quintin & Mary Ann Smith
March Quarter 1860, Forehoe, Norfolk, 4b/295.
Gerry
Added: Charles & Mary Ann plus children are on the England Census records so they stayed in England.
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That's interesting - thank you.
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I can add to the story of John Callcott St Quentin.. Elizabeth was my husband's g/grandmother, Ada Mahoney/Dedden. She was born illegitimate in Sydney in 1866. Yes she went on to marry John Moreland in 1873.