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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: Seoras on Monday 17 December 12 10:12 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone make out what number St. Mary's Wynd this is, 7 something ? Can't be 711 as it's not that long a street, is it ?
Also do numbers 1 and 28 St John's Street exist as they would have done in the 1890's
Could it be 74 ?
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Hi ,
The 1881 Census goes up to 106 St Marys Wynd Stirling.
ev
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I thought 74 without reading your guess!
Wiggy :)
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Thanks ev and Wiggy, looking like 74 then. My GG grandfather died here in 1893, though in the 1891 census they are at 28 St. John's Street and my GG grandmother died at number 1 in 1902.
Before that they were at 32 Baker Street. When I was there in the summer I went into what I hoped was number 32 in an old bulding only to be informed it was number 30, 32 was next door, now an ugly block of modern flats :'(
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Yes, I too thought 74 before reading anyone else's replies.
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Thanks Forfarian, I'm not sure if he was living there or just happened to be there when he died. DC says chronic bronchitis,then underneath that 'unknown' which I take to mean they didn't know how long he was suffering from the condition. Underneath that it says cardiac failure.Informant was a nephew in law, Peter McDonald of George St.
Wish I had taken all these addresses with me when I visited ???
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Before that they were at 32 Baker Street. When I was there in the summer I went into what I hoped was number 32 in an old bulding only to be informed it was number 30, 32 was next door, now an ugly block of modern flats :'(
Seoras, I wished I had met you when you were in Stirling, I would have taken you to exactly where no.32 is. Most people get it wrong, it may be numbered now in that carbunkle of a building but thats not where the tenement was. ( I mentioned where in a previous thread) Lawsons shop was on the corner of Baker Street and Dalgleish Court on the left hand side, which was numbered 32-38 Baker Street. But number 32 was in fact along what is now Dalgliesh Court, the close to the houses in No32 were along this entrance. In fact the tenements in Dalgliesh Court were to the right hand side of the 'big house' way further along. Dalgliesh Court from the baker Street entrance was No. 32. Some of the oldest buildings in Baker Street are along this Court and are numbered as being in Baker Street. Confusing, I think so, I will see if I can look out an old map from the 1890's which might explain in a bit better, or better still, I just might have a pic of that corner. I'll look.
The best way to explain it is, that Dalgliesh Court was known as 32 which also let you into the back entrances to No.24 to No.30.
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Argh Stirling76, why oh why didn't I meet you for a guided tour. I am back up in the New Year visiting my sister so I may call for assistance on the ground if it's still on offer.
George.
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increased resolution on the image and looked like /11 with the number before it being off the page so couldn't see what the number was before /11.
hope this helps.
T.
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Hi T. I think it must be a 7, there is nothing near it on the previous line. A glaring error on here is it has his mother as Isabella Scott, now that's plain wrong, she was his wife's mother.
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this is st mary http://tinyurl.com/cyht7pm
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Thanks davidpaul, just had a stroll along there :)
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I've been returning to this every now again, to try and make sense of it and the address in St. Mary's Wynd. And I just might have a solution for you. James Stain or Stein lived in Baker Street and died in St. Mary's Wynd, reason - heart attack! I might be wrong, but I think thats the address of a pub, 73-75 next to the old English School, used to be called the Settle Inn now Whistlebinkies. I would hazard a guess and say he died in that pub. Now I'm probably a 100% wrong, but a search of the local papers, Stirling Journal and Stirling Observer for that date, just might throw up something. Hope this is food for thought.
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Stirling76, thank you very much. I was wondering if perhaps he didn't die at home. I will delve into that.
On another note can you tell me where I should contact for burials in Stirling. I must have a few about the place.
I did have a wander round the graveyard behind Mar's Wark but, well you will know how big it is and I had little time as I was itching to get to Bannockburn. Can you tell me anything about this pyramid shaped structure in there, is it a tomb ?
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Seoras, I thinnk this is the Covenanters Monument. You can see it from the A9 I'm sure.
Skoosh.
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here s a few photos of stirling regards david.
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heres another
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1more regards david
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Monument in photo is Star Pyramid. History is outlined here
http://www.oldtowncemetery.co.uk/history/pyramid.html
Sorry to disagree with theory 74 St Mary's Wynd was pub. Cook and Wylies street directory of 1903 has 73-75 as spirit merchant but 74 (presumably on other side of street) appears to be residential.
Regards
Sandy
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For contact re burials see
http://www.stirling.gov.uk/services/education-and-learning/local-history-and-heritage/family-history-and-genealogy
Unfortunately doesn't look like anything's on-line but a number of Stirling cemeteries on memento mori site
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davidpaul, thanks for the photos.
SandyMcJ and Skoosh, thanks for clearing that up. I was going to walk up to it but after I had taken this photo a large group plodded up the track so I went round the churchyard for a while and then realising time was getting on, headed for Bannockburn. I had hoped to take in The Falkirk Wheel too but met up with Mosstrooper a few days later and he very kindly drove me there.
Mosstrooper if you're reading, I hope you are healed and I would advice you to give up the motorcycle stuntriding ;D
Skoosh, have you had any good fish suppers doon Lithgae way lately ;)
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Hi Seoras, visiting the Far East is always a delight, must have a trip to Lithgae soon, can recommend "The Croon".
Came across a wee reference to the village of Allandale between Cumbernauld & Bonnybridge. It was named for an Allan Stein, son of one of the brick dynasty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allandale_Falkirk
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Not sure if I'm related to the brickie Stein's Skoosh. I'll give my mother a tinkle in Killie and find out. They certainly had a large works near where I was born.
Bests to you also.
George.
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Sorry to disagree with theory 74 St Mary's Wynd was pub. Cook and Wylies street directory of 1903 has 73-75 as spirit merchant but 74 (presumably on other side of street) appears to be residential.
Sandy, I'm not convinced that that the death certificate does indeed say 74. What I'm saying is, that if its 73 or 75 then its the pub. If its 74 then it's a residential address. I've looked at the 1882 and the 1909 directories and 74 would appear to be a tenement block reached through a close. If its another number say 11 then that would be a shop. The implication I'm making is that he if he lived at 32 Baker Street, then he just might have died either visiting a shop, a pub or a friends in St. Mary's Wynd. The Sentinal or other paper might just have something regarding that.
David paul,
did you scan those pics from Drydale's book? If you did, I'm looking for a good scan of Gibb's Inn at 33 St. Mary's Wynd, and Andrew Kerr's Inn at Port Street that are in the book, if you could.
regards,
Stewart
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sorry stewart these photo where emailed to me from family in stirling but could ask them if they have these photo s if you like stewart regards david.
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dont know if these are any good stewart.
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another
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another
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Sorry to jump in....
Can I just check what the source of all these lovely old photographs being added please? I saw a mention of 'Drysdale's Book' as a possible source.
There may be issues of copyright here unfortunately.
Monica
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no these are personally photos monica
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Thank you for confirming :)
Monica
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would like to say theirs a fb group called stirling top of the town group you would find this very interesting history group lots of photographs and storys of stirling thanks david ps stewart this may be worth while for you.
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Returning to the original question. It still looks like 74 to me. Below are some 4's from the following year which I think show how a 4 could show up as 11.
Regarding Stewart's coment
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The implication I'm making is that he if he lived at 32 Baker Street, then he just might have died either visiting a shop, a pub or a friends in St. Mary's Wynd. [/quote]
Whilst this is possible, based on my own family around this time, frequent 'flittings' seem to have been quite common, so is it not possible that this has also been the case here? Also shouldn't the death record give the usual residence if he was away from home?
Regards
Sandy
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Also shouldn't the death record give the usual residence if he was away from home?
Regards
Sandy
True enough Sandy, the last address I have for him is 26 St. John's St on the 1891 census, which by the number of families living there I am guessing was some kind of tenement, though it could have been a smaller building with a lot of people crammed in.
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On the 1901 census his Widow, Elizabeth is at number 1 St. John's Street, earning a crust as a washer woman, she would die at this address two years later. The census gives her birthplace as Stirlingshire, which is wrong as she was born in High Street, Linlithgow.