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James Goldsworthy (died in South Australia) was married (in South Australia) to Lily Laura Annie Eveline Rowe (born in South Australia). There is some confusion about who James's father and mother are. Some research says John Goldsworthy but I am unsure if this is correct.
Could anyone help please?
Thanks
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Here's the marriage for you.....
James GOLDSWORTHY aged 23 and single married Lily Laura Annie Evelyn ROWE aged 20 and single on 10th April 1880 at the Residence of Charles Rowe, Moonta Mines.
Fathers = John GOLDSWORTHY & Charles ROWE
Ref = Dal A 123/156
Dee :)
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There is no James Goldsworthy in the Births Index for S A with father John and born around 1857 plus or minus a couple of years, I'm afraid, so at this stage it's hard to identify a mother. :-\
Dee :)
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Hi,
Not sure if this will help or not or if you already have it but its the marriage notice. James was from Cornwall
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article30803491
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Biographical Index Of South Australians has both of the following entries.....but must be taken as a guide only, as information is not always 100 percent correct......
GOLDSWORTHY James b: c1858
arrived 1877ALUMBAGH
occupation = Copper Miner
James GOLDSWORTHY
born CON ENG
died 1918 Moonta Mines SA
Lived at Moonta
married 10.4.1880 Moonta Mines SA Nora Annie Eveline nee ROWE
Her parents = Chas ROWE and Ann Barnard nee HODGE
born15.2.1861 Sth Adelaide SA
died 1912 Moonta Mines SA
children =
Darry,
Garnet,
Brice (1885-),
Percy (1886-),
Jack (1888-),
Jim (1888-),
Vesta ROWE (c1889-),
Daphne
Dee :)
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That is the correct James with children Percy, Brice, Garnet, Vesta, etc. Percy was my Great Grandfather. We know he married Lily (Nora) Rowe. I am just stuck on finding which John Goldsworthy would be his father.
Thanks for your information so far :)
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Perhaps this is him with his parents in 1861, at Linton?? Terrace, Redruth, Cornwall. All born in Redruth.
John Goldsworthy 32, dealer in marine stores
Elizth Goldsworthy 28
John Goldsworthy 11
Louisa Goldsworthy 4
James Goldsworthy 3
William Goldsworthy 1
David Goldsworthy 7 Months
However - caution - there are 7 James GOLDSWORTHYs registered in Redruth from 1852 - 1859 :o
Judith
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Might be handy if we can find the passenger list and see if any one else in his family travelled with him. Re His parents or siblings
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If the mother (Elizth) is Elizabeth Annear Andrews then that is the information I have. I am just not 100% certain. James would also have been 3 years old in 1861.
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I'm pretty sure he travelled alone at the age of 19.
I guess he came over as a cornish miner.
His parents most likely stayed in Cornwall.
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It's a pity South Australian marriage certificates aren't like those of most of the other states, as James' mother would probably have been named.
As it appears he may have been born in Cornwall, it makes it difficult. As Judith says, there are several James Goldsworthys of around the right age on the 1861 and the 1871 Census, and several births on Freebmd. At this stage identifying which one is the problem. :-\
Dee :)
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Daughter Vesta Rowe GOLDSWORTHY marries a GOLDSWORTHY, and I wonder if they might be cousins...and James GOLDSWORTHY and William Henry GOLDSWORTHY are brothers?
James Goldsworthy uses name Douglas Darcy Leigh Evearisto for son
William Henry Goldsworthy uses name Douglas Leith for son
Leith and Leigh are close enough (allowing for transcription error, level of literacy etc, to be the same name).
BDM SA
1889 442/62 birth Daly
GOLDSWORTHY, Vesta Rowe
parents James GOLDSWORTHY and Lily Laura Annie Evelyn ROWE
1886 379/265 birth Daly
GOLDSWORTHY, Norman Ewart
parents William Henry GOLDSWORTHY and Susan BEAZLEY
1917 272/98 marriage Daly
GOLDSWORTHY, Vesta Rowe m. GOLDSWORTHY, Norman Ewart
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1881 258/402 birth Daly
GOLDSWORTHY, Douglas Darcy Leigh Evearisto
parents James GOLDSWORTHY and Lily Laura Annie Evelyn ROWE
1897 600/471 birth Daly
GOLDSWORTHY, Douglas Leith
parents William Henry GOLDSWORTHY and Susan BEAZLEY
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Norman was my grandmothers uncle. It was a different branch of Goldsworthy's.
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If the mother (Elizth) is Elizabeth Annear Andrews then that is the information I have. I am just not 100% certain. James would also have been 3 years old in 1861.
That chap may have died in Queensland in 1911, or perhaps the names are just a coincidence.
1911/C304
James GOLDSWORTHY
Parents: John GOLDSWORTHY & Elizabeth ANDREWS
Debra :D
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Thanks so much for everyones help. I'm still confused with which John Goldsworthy would be the father of James. I thought it might be John goldsworthy, married to Elizabeth Annear Andrews, but as has been stated their son may have died in Queensland. :(
Another person told me that that James Goldsworthy married Kate Kenny and Priscilla, not Nora Rowe
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Thanks so much for everyones help. I'm still confused with which John Goldsworthy would be the father of James. I thought it might be John goldsworthy, married to Elizabeth Annear Andrews, but as has been stated their son may have died in Queensland. :(
Another person told me that that James Goldsworthy married Kate Kenny and Priscilla, not Nora Rowe
Your James Goldsworthy definitely married Nora ROWE if Percy was your great grandfather.
From the S A Indexes James GOLDSWORTHY & Lily Annie Laura Eveline ROWE had the following children…..
Douglas Darcy Leigh Evearisto GOLDSWORTHY born 11th March 1881 at
Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 258/402
Gething Claud Garnet Leslie GOLDSWORTHY born 24th September 1883 at Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 314/20
Myrtle Azalea GOLDSWORTHY born 25th February 1886 at Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 368/28
Vesta Rowe GOLDSWORTHY born 8th July 1889 at Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 442/62
Rosalie Daphne Vinetta Rowe GOLDSWORTHY born 26th August 1892 at Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 507/65
Percy James GOLDSWORTHY born 6th June 1894 at Hamley Hill
Ref = Dal 544/416
Brice Allerdale GOLDSWORTHY born 23rd March 1896 at Moonta Mines
Ref = Dal 582/163
Jim GOLDSWORTHY born 10th June 1903 at Hamley
Ref = Dal 713/482
Who his father John was married to is the big puzzle still...... :-\
Dee :)
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Myrtle Azalia GOLDSWORTHY died aged 2 weeks at Hamley Sandhill on 13th March 1886.
Father = James GOLDSWORTHY
Ref = Dal 153/495
Dee :)
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GOLDSWORTHY James b: c1858
arrived 1877ALUMBAGH
occupation = Copper Miner
Dee
Births Dec 1857
GOLDSWORTHY James Redruth 5c/261
Births Mar 1858
GOLDSWORTHY James Redruth 5c/283
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0slk/
SA Advertiser 17 Mar 1877
J GOLESWORTHY [sic] 19 years of age, copper miner, arrived Mar 1877 on the ALUMBAGH . No other GOLDSWORTHY's on the passenger list.
South Australian Advertiser Thursday 17 June 1880
GOLDSWORTHY—ROWE.—On the 10th April, at the residence of the bride's parents, Moonta Mines, by the Rev. J. B. Stephenson, James Goldsworthy, late of Redruth, Cornwall, England, to Lilly Laura Annie Evaline, eldest daughter of Charles Rowe, Moonta Mines.
This death of James' wife in SA indicates he was still living in 1912 so doubtful he is the James who died at Gin Gin and is buried at Bundaberg Cemetery with a Catherine and others.
GOLDSWORTHY Lily Laura Annie Evelyn
12 Sep 1912 51 years Status Married Relative James GOLDSWORTHY [Husband]
Residence Hamley Flat nr Moonta Death Place Hamley Flat nr Moonta Dal 368/342
GOLDSWORTHY James
16 Aug 1918 61 years Status Married ? No relative noted
Residence Moonta Mines Death Place Moonta Mines Dal 421/202
Buried at Moonta Cemetery
GOLDSWORTHY, Lily Laura Annie Evelyn 51 years Interred 14 Sep 1912
Section West 2 Plot/Grave/Niche 1
Unable to see a burial record on the Council's database for James. Like many transcribed databases from old burial registeres, there are possibly errors and omissions.
There is a headstone and photo available by simply emailing Kym. Wonderful service :) Her email address on the index page.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/moonta.htm
GOLDSWORTHY Norman (1953, 65 years), Vesta (1980, 90 years), Lily[1912, 51 years], James [1918, 61 years]
Obviously the Qld James G is not your person of interest. The James buried at Bundaberg Cemetery was born c1857 Cornwall, however he is buried with a Catherine GOLDSWORTHY born c1856 Ireland and two others. I noticed a GOLDSWORTHY birth on the Qld indexes with father not named and mother Kate KENNY.
http://bundaberg.qld.gov.au/services/cemeteries/bundaberg/search?query=goldsworthy&recid=3271
I realise this information does not give you James' mother's name but helps narrow down the years to search on the census. Perhaps he was born September quarter 1857.
Cheers
Cando
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Another person told me that that James Goldsworthy married Kate Kenny and Priscilla, not Nora Rowe
Just adding a bit to Cando's post in case it is of use to someone else. Please do not take this as gospel...
It seems that James G. son of John G. and Elizabeth ANDREW firstly immigrated to NZ. He married Priscilla WALES and had a number of children there. https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/
They then went to Sydney where another child was born. Wife Priscilla disappeared into the sunset and James went to Queensland where a number of children were born to Catherine/Kate KENNY (some GOLDSWORTHY, some KENNY). They then went to WA where another child was born, and then returned to Queensland.
I suspect that this court case might be linked to the birth of a child to James' daughter Priscilla in 1896.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3632621
He appears to not have served the 15 years as a James and Kate G. are on the 1905 electoral roll at Gympie.
This is obviously not your family.
Your James and Lily gave their children some colourful names - do any of them crop up in Lily's family?
Debra :D
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1861 Census
There appear to be 5 James Goldsworths born 1857 + or - 2 years on the 1861 Census, 4 in Redruth, and 1 in Launceston, Cornwall.
The Launceston James GOLDSWORTHY is a 5 year old boarder with no obvious relationship to the householders, and besides, as posted by Cando, James was from Redruth.
Of the four James GOLDSWORTHYs in Redruth, one family can be eliminated, as the father is Paul.
That leaves 3 possibilities…..
1. James GOLDSWORTHY aged 3 in Redruth with father John and mother Elizabeth, but the father is a Marine Dealer, not tied up with mining, though that doesn’t necessarily eliminate this family.
RG09/1579/129/20
2. James Goldsworthy aged 3 with no father listed. He’s the grandson of Sarah DUNSTAN, who also has a son William DUNSTAN who is an Engine Worker at a Mine. So in this case there is a link to mining.
RG09/1579/150/27
3. James GOLDSWORTHY aged 5 with mother Anna, who is a school mistress and whose husband is abroad. The age looks a little old, but may be inaccurate as ages on censuses can be. However, once again there is no obvious link to mining.
RG09/1579/97/49
Dee :)
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From FreeBMD....
John GOLDSWORTHY married Elizabeth ANDREW September Quarter 1849 Redruth 9/277
This seems to indicate they are the family in 1861 with son John born c1850 and son James born c 1858.
So is the James we're looking for the grandson of Sarah DUNSTON or the son of Anna GOLDSWORTHY whose husband is abroad? Or another John GOLDSWORTHY?
There were marriages for 15 men by the name of John GOLDSWORTHY in Redruth between 1849 and 1857. ::)
It's a bit of a needle in a haystack....... :-\
Dee :)
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It looks like Sarah DUNSTAN's daughter Sarah Ann married a John GOLDSWORTHY at Redruth in 1855. The two boys John and James are with their grandmother in 1861 and 1871 so perhaps they were orphaned?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
This James was employed in a Smith's shop in 1871, so maybe you would expect him to have become a Blacksmith? Sarah seems to have been financially well off being a "Fund Holder" in 1871 and "Housekeeper/Proprietor" in 1861. She may have left a Will.
Dee, can you read the notation for Sarah DUNSTON in 1861 which says "Wid. of ...?"
Debra :D
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The information I got from my Grandmother before she passed, was that our James Goldsworthy was born on the 20th November 1857 in Redruth. I was looking at the BMD info, and I narrowed it down to the James living with the Dunstans. Very confusing!
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Your James and Lily gave their children some colourful names - do any of them crop up in Lily's family?
Debra :D
There are some strange names in the Rowe family. Lily's siblings had some strange names. :)
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Yes, and I see she didn't name any of the sons after her father!!
I suggest that you get this birth cert to see what the actual date of birth is....
Registered December Quarter 1857
Goldsworthy, James
Redruth Vol. 5c Page. 261
It is going to be a process of elimination I think.
Debra :D
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Perhaps you can also put a request on the Cornwall messageboard to ask if anyone has access to the parish registers to look for a baptism for James 1857/1858.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,7.0.html
Debra :D
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It looks like Sarah DUNSTAN's daughter Sarah Ann married a John GOLDSWORTHY at Redruth in 1855. The two boys John and James are with their grandmother in 1861 and 1871 so perhaps they were orphaned?
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
This James was employed in a Smith's shop in 1871, so maybe you would expect him to have become a Blacksmith? Sarah seems to have been financially well off being a "Fund Holder" in 1871 and "Housekeeper/Proprietor" in 1861. She may have left a Will.
Dee, can you read the notation for Sarah DUNSTON in 1861 which says "Wid. of ...?"
Debra :D
No. I can't Debra.
I'll post a snippet on the deciphering board shortly, and see if anyone on there can come up with what they think it says.
Dee :)
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31 May 1855 Parish St Clement, Cornwall
GOLDSWORTHY John Trunggin, Residence Redruth Father Josiah GOLDSWORTHY [Marked]
DUNSTAN Constance Cornish Father John DUNSTAN [Marked]
And the civil reg
Marriages Jun 1855
DUNSTAN Constance Cornish Truro 5c/274
GOLDSWORTH James Truggen Truro 5c/274
Cando
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Possible 2nd marriage
Marriages Mar 1865
GOLDSWORTHY Constance Truro 5c/207
Cando
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1861 Census RG9/1579/92/40
Living at 39 Mary Rose ?, Redruth, Cornwall
GOLDSWORTHY Jane Head Widow 62 years Bread Maker Born Cornwall, Redruth
GOLDSWORTHY Thomas Henry Son 20 years Labourer Born Cornwall, Redruth
GOLDSWORTHY Elizabeth Dau 27 years Servant Born Cornwall, Redruth
GOLDSWORTHY Mary Jane Grand daughter 4 years Born Cornwall, Redruth
HAMBLY Francis Lodger 18 years Blacksmith App Born Cornwall, Redruth
HAMBLY James Lodger 16 years Blacksmeith App Born Cornwall, Redruth
On next page but emunerator has noted 39 cont.
GOLDSWORTHY Constance Head Widow 28 years Grocer Born Cornwall, Truro
GOLDSWORTHY Elizabeth Dau 4 years Born London, St George
I would suggest she married John LEVERTON
and this is her death.
LEVERTON Constance C 85 years
Mar qtr 1918 Truro 5c/188
Seven years prior to her death she was living at The Alms Houses, Pyder Street, Truro and was widowed.
Cando
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Yes, and I see she didn't name any of the sons after her father!!
I suggest that you get this birth cert to see what the actual date of birth is....
Registered December Quarter 1857
Goldsworthy, James
Redruth Vol. 5c Page. 261
It is going to be a process of elimination I think.
Debra :D
I have ordered this certificate. Hope it brings some light on the topic. I think the James Goldsworthy who was living with the Dunstans could also be an option.
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I 've now found the baptism of James the son of John Goldsworthy and Elizabeth .....27th December 1857 in the Parish of Redruth.
Image on Familysearch, page 144 (Image 145)
I've searched though 1857 to 1860 but found no other James Goldsworthy baptism for that Parish. :-\
Dee :)
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Good find Dee ;D
Unfortunately it doesn't give his date of birth so we don't know which birth registration his might be, but perhaps it is the first and if our James was born 20 November 1857 then his birth might have been registered later in the first quarter of 1858. As I said, it is going to be a process of elimination.
Births
1. December Quarter 1857
GOLDSWORTHY, James
Redruth Vol. 5c Page 261
2. March Quarter 1858
GOLDSWORTHY, James
Redruth Vol. 5c Page 283
This is the marriage that I think is the parents of Sarah DUNSTAN's grandsons:
DUNSTONE, Sarah Ann
GOLDSWORTHY, John
Redruth Vol. 5c Page 389
The other couple on the page can be found together in the next census so I am f fairly sure this couple go together. Sarah Ann was aged 13 and living with her parents in 1851.
The census records show that the DUNSTANs always lived at Rose Row and there is a baptism on Feb 23 1856 at Redruth (image 123) for John, son of John (a miner) and Sarah Ann GOLDSWORTHY. Their address is Rose Row.
Debra :D
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Hi. First time on RootsChat. Been reading Goldsworthy details with great interest. Thanks everyone for your great research.
I live in Adelaide , Australia and my Grandfather , on my mother's side, was Brice Allerdale Goldsworthy. James, who came out on the Alumbagh was definitely his father. They were old Moonta Mines people and strong Methodists. Brice and his wife, Rhoda, eventually came to live in Adelaide after the copper mining boom had subsided. I seem to recall Brice had a blacksmith background like his Father, James, who was engaged in a Blacksmiths business in 1871 as mentioned in posts by others .
BTW..re unusual James children's names...one child's First Name was Gething..and I noticed that Gething was also the Surname of some people who came out on the ship Alumbagh along with James.