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Title: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 28 December 12 15:10 GMT (UK)
Hi all,
my ancestor Ann Morgan b. 1836 (nee Phillips) was living here in 1871 -91, but they couldn't decide how to spell it.
1871; RG10/5352/130/22 Tyr Hwnt
1881; RG11/5273/24/7 Tyr Wynt
1891; RG12/4382/10/13 Tir Wnt
The location is Cwmdows above Crumlin, Mon.
Does anyone know the correct spelling and translation please.

I cannot find the place in 1901 nor in 1911. Ann had moved by 1901 but I would love to know who lived there in those years.
A modern OS map has Tyr-hunt in the right area. ST205981 approx.

Thanks for any help,
Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: GerryP on Thursday 17 January 13 09:59 GMT (UK)
Quote from: hencarrai on Friday 28 December 12 15:10 GMT (UK)
Hi all,
my ancestor Ann Morgan b. 1836 (nee Phillips) was living here in 1871 -91, but they couldn't decide how to spell it.
1871; RG10/5352/130/22 Tyr Hwnt
1881; RG11/5273/24/7 Tyr Wynt
1891; RG12/4382/10/13 Tir Wnt
The location is Cwmdows above Crumlin, Mon.
Does anyone know the correct spelling and translation please.

I cannot find the place in 1901 nor in 1911. Ann had moved by 1901 but I would love to know who lived there in those years.
A modern OS map has Tyr-hunt in the right area. ST205981 approx.

Thanks for any help,
Rob
According to a Welsh speaking friend, Tir Wynt literary means 'windy place'.

Gerry
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Thursday 17 January 13 10:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gerry,
I can imagine it was/is rather windy in that location.
Must have blown away by 1901, ha ha.
Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: despair on Thursday 17 January 13 16:49 GMT (UK)
I think this may be it in 1901 - Terhunt Farm,Abercarn

William Thomas,34,born CefnCoch plus family

RG13  4967  48  36

He is not a short term resident.

Regards
Roger

Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Thursday 17 January 13 20:56 GMT (UK)
Great stuff,
that's the place.
The Ann Thomas (wife) is d/o the Ann Morgan in my original post.

Thanks Roger,
Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Saturday 19 January 13 10:45 GMT (UK)
Have now found the 1911 record.
It is now spelled; Ty-wrunt.
Oh well it's anyones guess.

Same people there as 1901.

Thanks for all your help and translations.
Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: despair on Saturday 19 January 13 11:44 GMT (UK)
What appears in any database can obviously be the product of a number of things:

The interpretation of the enumerator of what he is told(more relevant if the informant is not literate)

The handwriting of the enumerator

The skill of the database transcriber(perhaps unlikely to be Welsh).This may vary between databases

One step can usually be removed from this by viewing the original and forming your own opinion but in the latter case this is difficult.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: chrismor48 on Monday 21 January 13 18:16 GMT (UK)
Hi
Have a look at http://www.old-maps.co.uk  Put in co ordinates 320661 / 198088 and this should take you to the map. You can then select from the list on the right which year you want to look at.  The map dated 1879/1880 shows the premises spelt tyr Hunt

Chris
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: confused73 on Monday 21 January 13 18:39 GMT (UK)
Gwynt mutated to wynt can also mean smell in other parts of Wales!
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Tuesday 22 January 13 15:15 GMT (UK)
Ugh!
I can't have my dear ancestors living in 'Smelly Place' can I.
If you don't mind I'm going to go for Windy Place.
Thanks for your help everyone.

Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: confused73 on Tuesday 22 January 13 15:42 GMT (UK)
Depends on the smell of course, if it was roses it would be fine, but think I would play safe and stick with windy.
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: seallen46 on Saturday 09 August 14 17:44 BST (UK)
The farm appears at Tyr Hwnt on the 1846 Tithe map for Mynyddislwyn. The farmer was a Morgan Williams aged 69. Hwnt means yonder in Welsh. On the 1841 census, it is named Ty Draw. Draw also means yonder. It is still there today under the name Ty Hunt.

Sue
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: hencarrai on Sunday 10 August 14 19:08 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info Sue.
I'll see if I can find Ty Draw in 1841
Rob
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: Arhianthomas on Thursday 30 April 20 23:14 BST (UK)
I have family at this farm
Title: Re: Tyr Wynt?
Post by: trystan on Friday 01 May 20 09:10 BST (UK)
welcome to RootsChat - croeso mawr!