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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: gracol on Saturday 29 December 12 21:10 GMT (UK)
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From family memories she was born deaf & dumb,married,her husband soon leaving her although they had a daughter.This is borne out by censuses,in 1890 she married a JOSEPH HARDY & in 1891 census appears living alone with her widowed mother Sophia.A daughter Mary Sophia Hardy was born in 1892 & in 1901 census she & her daughter were again living with her mother.In 1911 they were living with her brother John.
Would be most interested if anyone can give any information on this Joseph Hardy,maybe details from the 1890 marriage.
I believe Jane Hardy died in 1926.
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Hello.... :)
Just to confirm.....
Marriage - Hucknall Torkard St Mary
JOSEPH HARDY & JANE DOBB - 5th April 1890
From what you have said re Jane being abandoned by her husband , then maybe the 1926 death may not be hers as from that burial record at Hucknall cemetery has her description as "miners wife".
http://www.ashfield-dc.gov.uk/ashfieldcemeteries/intro.php?set=yes
Image here =
http://www.ashfield-dc.gov.uk/ashfieldcemeteries/images/burials/Hucknall/1921_1931/pics_Compressed/Page_00052.jpg
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The only baptism that I can see is this one....
HUCKNALL TORKARD St Mary Magdalene - 1st Nov 1891
Mary Sophia HARDY - parents Joseph & Jane Hardy, fathers occupation - Miner
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Now that I have looked on the three census that Jane Hardy is on; I see she always says she is married.....if no one else can have a look at the marriage details before I do - will try and take a look some time after next week if that's ok?..... :)
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Hello Dizzifish
Very many thanks for your interesting replies.
Should be most grateful if you could look up the marriage details, a way of finding out more about Joseph Hardy. I believe divorce was very uncommon around 1900,so presumably he shouldn't have remarried!
Thanks again
Colin
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Jane Hardy's burial record, 1926, shows her as having lived at 14 Gilbert Street Hucknall ,and was wondering who is listed as living there in local street directories of that time.This could establish if I have the right burial.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Hello Colin..... :)
Here are the marriage details you were after.... and a couple of others if you don't have them already?
You might need to start a new look up for the 1926 electoral roll details as I couldn't find those years in our local library...... you need someone to check Nottingham Archives or Nottingham Library; hopefully someone can do it for you.
Kind Regards
Sheila
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Marriage - Hucknall Torkard - 5th April 1890 - after banns
JOSEPH HARDY, aged 22, occupation = Miner, residence = Hucknall Torkard.
Father = Joseph Hardy, framework knitter.
& JANE DOBB, aged 22,spinster, - - , residence = Hucknall Torkard.
Father = Joseph Dobb (deceased) Mason.
Both signed
Witnesses = Herbert Bradbury & Elizabeth Tomlinson.
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Marriage - Hucknall Torkard - 4th March 1841 - after banns
JOSEPH MORTON, full age, bachelor, FWKnitter, residence Hucknall Torkard.
Father = Joseph Morton, Labourer in husbandry.
& MARY DOBB, underage, spinster, - - - , residence Hucknall Torkard.
Father = Joseph Dobb, Labourer in husbandry.
Both made their mark X
Witnesses = Charles Sills & the mark of x Harriett Butler?
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Marriage - Hucknall Torkard - 26th Dec 1861 - after banns
JOSEPH DOBB, full age, bachelor, Stone Mason, residence Hucknall Torkard.
No father's name given.
& SOPHIA SPENCER, 19yrs. - - -. residence Hucknall Torkard.
No fathers name given.
Groom signed, Bride made her mark X
Witnesses = John Smith? & Elizabeth Bradford.
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Baptism - Hucknall Torkard - 5th April 1844 - Birth = 14th March 1844
SOPHIA SPENCER - mother Caroline Spencer
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Hello Sheila
Thanks so much for your reply and marriage and baptism details.
Will now investigate!
Thanks again
Best wishes
Colin
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Thanks to marriage details can trace Joseph Hardy (born 1868 Hucknall miner) in the 1871 and 1881 censuses.Cannot find him in the 1891 census,a year after his marriage,and about 6 months before the birth of his daughter,or in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
Would he have taken another name?
Can anyone help?
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Hi Colin,
I had also looked and found Joseph on the 1871 & 1881 prior to his marriage to Jane... and no trace of him after the marriage other than him being mentioned on their daughters baptism entry in 1891.
It is a possibility that he changed his name altogether..... but another possibility could be that he left the country.
This is just a suggestion and another avenue to investigate..... on Ancestry's outward passenger lists 1890 - 1960, there is a Joseph Hardy, aged 25, occupation miner, left Liverpool on the 24th February of 1892 bound for New York.
US census 1900 has a Joseph Hardy in Pennsylvania - born in England August 1867, married 5yrs + children.
Be cautious as it may not be him at all...... :-\
You can view the census image here = https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11616-55786-99?cc=1325221&wc=MMPN-1NR:645397757
US census on familysearch..... https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES&recordType=Census
Sheila.
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Hello Sheila
Now that is really interesting,it all does seem to tie up rather well.
I am with Ancestry,but premium only,so only view immigration records.(Dobbs are in my" Green" family tree).I do not have Joseph Hardy's birth record.From Ancestry there are two registered births in 1867 and one in 1868 for a Joseph Hardy in Basford.The registration date Apr/May/Jun 1867 does not quite tie up with the birth in Aug 1867.
Could anyone possibly look up Joseph Hardy's birth around 1868 in Hucknall,father Joseph born 1826, fwk,born Hucknall, mother Hannah born 1828 Arnold?
Will look through the US census on familysearch,& other US sites.
Many,many thanks for this info,opens up an interesting new trail,have not had any US emigrants before.
Best wishes
Colin
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Hello Colin.....
I have Ancestry's UK premium too... so you will also have access to the UK outward passenger lists = Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 = http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2997&o_iid=53901&o_lid=53901&o_sch=Inbound
It is a shame it doesn't mention which county he was born in and as you point out August doesn't work out with Joseph Hardy births in the Basford registration district..... and where was he re the 1891 census?
Just a couple of comments re Hannah Hardy born Arnold...... she wasn't the mother of Joseph born 1867 or any of the other Hardy children; their mother was Mary and I think she must have died between 1861 and 1871... possibly the Mary who died SeptQ 1870, aged 39.
Also... I have seen a couple of trees on Ancestry that have her down as Mary Beardall.... but that is wrong (Mary Beardall married Stephen Wright)..... Joseph Hardy married MARY MEE at Hucknall Torkard 13th Oct 1851.
After Mary dies Joseph Hardy snr then marries HANNAH GOODALL in DecQ 1871 at Basford Register Office - (John Goodall is stepson in 1881)..... also your Thomas Tarry married Ann Shaw at Basford Register Office in 1855.... so, sorry I won't be able to check those details for you... :'(
Here are the family in 1861/1871 & 1881..... after which I didn't find Joseph or Hannah... did you find them?
1861 - RG 9/ Piece 2442/ Folio 49/ Page 35 - "The Buildings", Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
1871 - RG10/ Piece 3491/ Folio 83/ Page28 - Watnall Road, Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
1881 - RG11/ Piece 3335/Folio 78/ Page 42 - Watnall Road, Hucknall Torkard, Nottinghamshire
The only baptism I can see for any of Joseph & Mary Hardy's children is this one.....
HUCKNALL TORKARD St Mary Magdalene - 23rd July 1860
ELIZA HARDY - parents Joseph & Mary Hardy, occupation F.W.K
Best Wishes
Sheila.
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There seems to be only one baptism in Hucknall around the right time for a Joseph Hardy and that is 22/2/1867 to William , a pit labourer and Ellen. I couldn't find a Joseph with a father Joseph anywhere on the CD. However, just to throw a spanner in the works - children did get passed around a bit for various reasons and were not necessarily brought up by their birth family.
NC.
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Thanks very much for your replies Sheila and NC.
Will absorb and look into all this information and reply.(Am not too computer literate but hopefully gathering speed!!)
Best wishes
Colin
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Hello,
I know this post is a bit old, but I just found it. I believe that I may be related to Joseph Dobb, the stonemason who married Jane Bird. My 4th great-grandmother was Hannah Dobb, daughter of Joseph and Mary Dobb of Hucknall Torkard. She married Thomas Meakin in 1815, but already had a daughter Mary born abt 1811 out of wedlock. She was my 3rd great-grandmother. I believe that Joseph is her brother.
He and Jane lived next door to Hannah and Thomas Meakin in the 1841 and 1851 census of Broxtow, Hucknall Torkard, Notts. According to the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Joseph was baptized 06 Jan 1805 in Hucknall Torkard only listing a mother, Hannah Dobb.
I was hoping maybe someone knew of some bastardy bonds or some other kinds of documents that would give more detail on her two illegitimate children.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Leslie
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Leslie
Have replied under the "William Maltby & wife" post.
Colin