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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: djtreacle on Sunday 30 December 12 23:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi I recently went to Wales but missed the Dolgellau record office by an hour >:(, being stuck, transfixed looking at records in my family villages church (Church in Wales). I really needed to search for my GGGF who was born approx 1815 according to census records in Festiniog. I know he was more than likely chapel as that line of the family was chapel, (my Grandfather coming from a "mixed" marriage and was also Chapel, with his alternate sibilings being alternately faithed at the CIW church or chapel respectively!!). I went on "find my past" earlier and the only William Owen that came up was a David William Owen born in 1814. I blew 20 credits but it was the only William Owen on offer :-\ I dont think this is him (the record book looked suspiciously Church in Wales :)). My query is therefore is it possible to ask for a look up of chapel baptisms for Festiniog and would Festiniog in the 1851/61/71/81 Wales census be plain Festinog or would it relate to Blaenau ffestiniog? Many thanks
L
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Hi
You say:
I really needed to search for my GGGF who was born approx 1815 according to census records in Festiniog
Could you give the refs to the censuses that you have him on, please? It will make it easier to identify him.
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Thank you for responding so quickly, unfortunately Ancestry appears to be down for me tonight again! (is this a common problem lately do you know?) but as soon as I get in again I will post all the census returns for WO.
Kind regards
L
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Not to confident about the non-c records - this seems to be what's available :-\
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Ffestiniog/index.html
Details of extant records on Archives Network Wales for the following;
Capel Brynbowydd, Blaenau Ffestiniog, cofnodion (records) 1880-1980 "Capel Brynbowydd was an Independent chapel founded in 1880 ............."
Capel Tabernacl (MC), Blaenau Ffestiniog, cofnodion (records) 1891-1958 "Capel Tabernacl Calvinistic Methodist Church, Blaenau Ffestiniog was established in 1864, and was still active in 1958"
Tabernacl Chapel [CM], Blaenau Ffestiniog Account Book 1918 - 1926
Capeli Hyfrydfa a Bethania, Blaenau Ffestiniog, cofnodion (records) [1872]-1978 "Capel Bethania and Capel Hyfrydfa, Manod, were Independent Churches in Blaenau Ffestiniog. Bethania was ..... established in 1818....... forced to establish several daughter chapels ....... Capel Hyfrydfa was ..... founded in 1879.
Eglwys Bethesda, Blaenau Ffestiniog records 1839-1975 "Eglwys Bethesda, Bethesda Calvinistic Methodist Church, ........ first chapel was built in 1826........"
Jerusalem, Blaenau Ffestiniog, cofnodion (records) 1872-1977 "Jerusalem Independent Church (also called Fourcrosses), Blaenau Ffestiniog was established in 1869........."
Eglwys Engedi [CM], Ffestiniog, cofysgrifau (records) 1881-1948 ".......Agorwyd Eglwys Engedi ar 15 Mai 1881 a'i sefydlu yn eglwys ar 23 Mai 1881. Daeth 160 o aelodau Peniel yn aelodau yn Engedi......."
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Hi Brevitas
I managed to get this as Ancestry still down..."England and Wales Census, 1871," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5PT-6K4 : accessed 30 Dec 2012), Robert Owen in household of William Owen, Penmachno, Penmachno, Denbighshire, Wales; citing PRO RG 10/[piece], folio 13, p. 14; Llanrwst registration district, Yspytty subdistrict, ED 1, household 64, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
Many thanks to for the details of the chapel records in Festiniog area
L
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Hi
I can't find a baptism for him but, on the basis of the census info, I've found a likely marriage for William Owen and Jane Davies in St Ffraid's Church, Llansanffraid Glan Conway, in 1855 (North Wales BMD). As it is a Church marriage, the record will be on FindMyPast, and will give information on his father. Search in Denbighshire/ Llansanffraid Glan Conway, 1855
Looking at the censuses, I think you are a bit out with his birth year - it's more likely to be circa 1820 than 1815.
This is the only likely one in the 1851 census:
Hafod Ysbyttu/Ysbytty, Festiniog
HO107/2512/240/28
Robert Owens, hd, 60, farmer of 105 acres, b. Festiniog
Jane, w, 55, b. Llanfrothen
Elizabeth, d, unm, 14, b. Festiniog
William, s, unm, 32, b. -do-
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Found this on Familysearch, as confirmation:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KC54-KWM
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I don't see William and Jane in Denbs or Merionethshire in 1861 (maybe on one of the missing pieces) but here's the Owen family without him in 1861:
Hafodsbyty, Festiniog
RG9/4324/27/25
Robert Owen, widr, 70, farmer of about 40 acres, b. Festiniog
Griffith Griffiths, s-in-l, 28, farmer, b. Maentwrog
Elisabeth Griffths, d, 24, b. Festiniog
Jane Ellin Griffiths, d (grd/d), 1, b. Festiniog
Margaret Williams, serv, 19, maid servant, b. Trawsfynydd
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I've found the 1851 family in 1841, entered as Ownes!
Hofody Spyty, Festiniog
HO107/1427/3/28/12
Robert Ownes, 45, farmer
Jane, 45
William, 20
Margaret, 15
David, 14
Ellinor, 12
John, 10
Elizabeth,4
all born Merionethshire
This could be a possible marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCGG-213
.....and adding this as an outside-possible bapt for Jane:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KCGG-QJ4
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Thank you Brevitas... the names of the children were certainly names which came down if it is the right family, and what you have found has definately given me something to go on... I think its time I used my free trial at Find my past ;) hope you have a good 2013
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The marriage details are:-
HAVE BEEN REMOVED
On the 1861 census, William's birth is given as c1825 and a lodger is David Davies, who could be Jane's father.
David
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Hi David
Is there any significance in Marriage Details: have been removed? I have got some census info regarding David Davies and think it is indeed JD's father.
Many thanks for the look up though.
L
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I was told off for publishing the details, although such information is often found on the site.
There is a Jane Davies in Llansaintffraid Glan Conway in 1851, born c1827 who would be worth looking at. Possibly also in 1841.
David