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Title: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Thursday 03 January 13 20:08 GMT (UK)
Barclay was born in Inverbervie 19/3/1891. I know his mother was Johan Black and father was John Cargill who were married in Gourdon  in 1886 but have come to a blank on any dates relating to their parents. I also know Barclay's first wife was Mary Beattie Dickson Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: higgsy on Thursday 03 January 13 21:08 GMT (UK)
Hi

There is a Johan Black living in Gourdon born c 1859. Her parents are Barclay Black b 1825 Benholm Kincardineshire and his wife Jessie b 1826 Aberdeen in the 1881 census

If you found Barclay Blacks death on Scotlands people this would give you another generation back and possibly his wifes maiden name.

 In fact reading your post again if you have the marriage from 1886 this should give you both John Cargills parents and Johan Blacks parents

Norma
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Thursday 03 January 13 21:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that info Norma. I shall do some searching tomorrow. I believe there was a child as well but can find no information confirming that.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: higgsy on Thursday 03 January 13 21:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

Can you clarify what you mean by "there was a child as well" Do you mean John and Johan has a child? Johan may have had a chilfd Georgina prior to her marriage b 1882

A tree on Ancestry has Johans death as 1904 If you get this death again it wll confim Johans parents

Norma
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Thursday 03 January 13 21:48 GMT (UK)
Norma, sorry. I am new to this. No I mean Barclay and Mary had a child but Mary died in childbirth.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: higgsy on Thursday 03 January 13 22:05 GMT (UK)
Do you know when and where Mary died. The trees onAncestry do not show Mary as a wife of Barclays they only show Gladys West and no children

Norma
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Thursday 03 January 13 22:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Norma,

Barclay married Mary in 1915/16 in Johnshaven and she died 1917 in Montrose infirmary. I am afraid that is all the info I have at the moment.
Thanks for your help you have given me a lead to go on with. It looks as though I have a lot of searching to do.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: jenc on Sunday 06 January 13 14:21 GMT (UK)
Hi
I can maybe throw some light on Mary Beattie Dickson, she married Barclay Cargill on the 23rd September, 1916 at the Templars Hall, Johnshaven. Sadly Mary died from a burst appendix in 1917 in Montrose Infirmary, she was only 22.  Barclay and Mary had no children. 
Barclay went on to marry Gladys West on the 14th November, 1924 and they had (I think) 4 sons and 2 daughters, the youngest Elizabeth was born 1940 but died aged 2 in the Sick Childrens Hospital, Aberdeen.  Gladys was born in 1903, Pennan, Aberdeenshire and died at Gourdon in 1975.
Barclay was the youngest crew member of the Johnshaven Lifeboat Disaster in 1920.  He died at Gourdon in 1976.
Jen
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Sunday 06 January 13 17:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Jen, thanks. I did doubt if Barclay and Mary had a child. All the info you have given me is what I already have except that both Barclay and Gladys died in Stonehaven and not Gourdon.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: jenc on Sunday 06 January 13 20:10 GMT (UK)
Ok thanks...Mary Beattie Dickson was my mum's cousin so will change Barclay and Glady's info on my tree to Stonehaven and not Gourdon.  Hope you find what you are looking for.
Kind Regards from Jen
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: tidybooks on Sunday 06 January 13 20:49 GMT (UK)
Quote from: jenc on Sunday 06 January 13 14:21 GMT (UK)
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Barclay was the youngest crew member of the Johnshaven Lifeboat Disaster in 1920.  He died at Gourdon in 1976.
Jen

I have found an article in the Times where the lifeboat crew were presented with silver cups by King of Denmark for rescuing ther crew of the schooner "Fredensborg" of Korsor on 21 Dec 1920. All of the crew were mentioned in the article, and the widow of James McBay was given a monetary award instead.

Tom
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Sunday 06 January 13 21:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks Tom
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: jenc on Monday 07 January 13 18:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Tom
Just to add that Mary Beattie Dickson's father James Dickson was also a member of the lifeboat crew involved and that the silver cup presented to him is still held with pride within the family....brave boys
Regards from Jen
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: tidybooks on Monday 07 January 13 19:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenc,

For the sake of completeness the crew of Johnshaven lifeboat "James Marsh"
presented with the silver cups were,
John McBay, Coxswain
George McBay, second coxswain
Thomas Blues (No 1), bowman
James Dickson
Barclay Cargill
James D McBay
Thomas Blues (No 2)
John Ritchie
John Wm. Stephen
Alexander McBay
John Mearns McBay
Robert Paton

Tom
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: jenc on Monday 07 January 13 19:27 GMT (UK)
Hi again Tom
Thank you for that and a lovely tribute to all those brave boys.
Jen
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: abz55 on Monday 07 January 13 21:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenc and Tom,

 I have read many articles about the disaster and can confirm that Barclay's cup is also still held with pride within the family.
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: jenc on Tuesday 08 January 13 18:16 GMT (UK)
That is good to know
Jen
Title: Re: Barclay Black Cargill
Post by: foggyman on Wednesday 09 January 13 11:36 GMT (UK)
Hi All.
James McBay and all the other McBay's are my distant ancestors (uncles and cousins)
Regards