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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Smeddles on Wednesday 09 January 13 01:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi Bellejazz,
I am researching my late father's family line without a great deal of success and in searching have noted that you had a couple of antecedents called William Smedley.
My father, Alan Smedley b. 30/10/1915 was the son of Michael Alfred Smedley b. 31/07/1883 at Colac Common, to William Smedley and Emma Wigby (possibly Rigby). William and Emma also had a son Patrick, born according St Mary's Colac Baptism records as 31/11/1881?
I have searched the Vic. online historical index but have been unable to find birth records for Michael, Patrick, William or Emma, nor William and Emma's marriage. From your experience, you may be able to tell me if registration of Births was patchy in the 1880's?
Anyway, to have fathered Michael and Patrick, William was probably between 20 - 30 in 1883, putting his birth somewhere between 1853 and 1863. I have seen the subject email and responses and as a longshot, wondered if you had been able to gain more information on William Smedley born in 1851.
If you are unable to help with the above, I wonder whether you can direct me further.
There seems to be quite a bit of activity around a William & Margaret Smedley (nee Ward) who married and lived at Toolangi/Wandong during the period. I note that Smedleys from Kilmore/Broadford are mentioned and I recollect that Dad had contact with someone researching that line in the 1990s but a link was never made. If you have a contact, I'd like to dig a bit further.
For background, Michael Smedley subsequently married Isabel Woods of Learmonth in 1906, at Ballarat and moved sometime prior to 1909 to Broken Hill where he managed the Barrier Daily Truth newspaper. Together they had 3 children, Doris Isabel (23/06/1909), Alfred Roydon (21/04/1913) and Alan George (my father).
The family moved to Adelaide in the 1920s where Michael was active in the ALP and managed the Workers Weekly Herald until its closure in 1948. Subsequently, Michael and Isabel helped their children establish a printing business at Glenelg (Smedley Press) which traded until 1979. Michael died 17/12/1953 (Isabel 10/07/1952).
Anyway, hope this email finds you well; I'd be grateful for any information/leads that you might be able to provide.
rgds
John Smedley
Glenelg, South Australia
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Hi John,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. :D
I have split your post from Belinda's thread so that our lovely members may be of help to you with your family without infringing on Belinda's thread (If they do not turn out to be connected.)
I have left the link on Belinda's old thread so that she will find you here, when she comes online. Hope you don't mind.
Link to Belinda's SMEDLEY thread you had posted to
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,279457.0.html
Regards Kris :)
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Kris,
No problem, thanks.
John
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Hi John,
Have you seen the digitised ww1 record for PATRICK SMEDLEY?
When he enlisted in November 1915 he was aged 35 and he gave his birthplace as Camperdown. Religion was R Catholic and he was a labourer.
His Next of Kin was his brother Michael SMEDLEY of Ballarat.
The record shows (from about pg 9) PATRICK had some shortcomings and things did not go well for him in the forces.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
Sue
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Do you think this news item from The Colac Herald 21st Jan 1890 is about EMMA SMEDLEY, the mother of PATRICK and MICHAEL?
The case of the womani Emma Smedley, who was arrested by the police as a vagrant was next gone into. The woman when arrested had three children with her, and these at her desire were ordered to be sent into some keeping, and the mother was detained for the purpose of allowing her to obtain a good good cleansing, she being in a very filthy condition.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87350780?searchTerm="emma smedley" +colac&searchLimits=
Sue
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John do you have Michael's marriage 1906 certificate? I tend to look to marriage certificates for information as the details are given by the parties concerned and not a third party.
Cheers
Cando
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Michael states in Jun 1914 that he had worked in the mines
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0smh/
Cheers
Cando
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Emma in Camperdown Court 1891
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0smi/
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2845922
Childrens registers of State wards in the colony of Victoria, 1864-1897 [microform] : estray series registers, girls books and associated registers
Index to the Children's Registers of State Wards, 1850 -1893
This is an index of Children’s Registers of State Wards in Victoria, Australia between 1850 and 1893. It is culled from the records of the Department for Neglected and Criminal Children and industrial and reformatory schools of the 19th Century in Victoria, Australia. The index has more than 29,000 names of children who were under the state’s protection and its records contain: Name, birth date, birth place, volume page
The index has the volumes and page numbers in those volumes, but the volume names are abbreviated and need to be looked up in the introduction to determine which volume contains the specific record.
Index only
SMEDLEY John Born 1889 Vic Vol 10 Page 148
SMEDLEY Michael Born 1883 Vic Vol 10 Page 143
SMEDLEY Patrick Born 1883 Vic Vol 10 Page 142
I wonder if this is actually John's birth with a mistranscribed surname. On Victorian birth certificates the ages and places of birth of the parents are noted along with previous issue to the marriage. The place and date of the marriage is also detailed. Images of certs can be purchased online [$20] and immediately downloaded
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Birth
MEDLEY Michael
Father William Mother Emma RIGBY
At Carlton 1889 Reg#1470
I can only see two births with mother Emma RIGBY on the Victorian indexes prior to 1890 when Emma SMEDLEY appeared in court, the one above and another in 1885 at Noorat for a Michael to a Wm OBRYAN and Emma RIGBY Reg#27645
Cheers
Cando
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This is a possibility for the death of PATRICK SMEDLEY in NSW
5276/1940 SMEDLEY, PATRICK Father ROBERT Mother--- At PARRAMATTA
This man is buried at ROOKWOOD
Name Patrick Smedley
Service Date 03 Jan 1940
Age 58
Register Number 62213
Burial
Location Section Grave Mortuary 2
Area 13 Concord Removals Grave : 68
I suspect this may be a public funded common grave as this man is also at that location and was interred about the same time-
Forsyth Henry J Date 05 Jan 1940 Aged 47
The fact that the father's name is not correct (ROBERT) may be because the informant was mistaken or because PATRICK was fostered or adopted in early life.
Sue
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Hello Sue and Cando, thank you both for your responses. Wow!
I am very grateful for the speed and depth of your feedback.
Firstly Sue, thanks for drawing my attention to Patrick's war records. I hadn't thought to look there. It helps on a couple of counts.
I only became aware of Patrick's existence from the St Mary's Colac baptism records this week. In digging, Ancestry.com threw up some court records for the gaoling of one Patrick Smedley in Bathurst NSW on multiple counts of arson in the 1920s and still further information revealed that this Patrick had subsequently been committed to a mental asylum at Ryde during the 1920s/30s. The last reference is a death record of a Patrick Smedley dying at Parramatta in 1940.
Up to now I had not delved further because there was nothing to link a Bathurst resident to Colac. however Colac and Camperdown aren't far apart and while the birthdates are not exact, the birth year is.
He clearly was a troubled fellow, possibly in no small part due to a troubled childhood, and while I'll need to dig a little deeper, he sounds like a reasonable match. In any event, he is the only Patrick Smedley for whom I've found any information.
Turning to the article in the Colac Herald - how did you find it - I've been searching every variation of Emma Rigby/Wigby/Smedley and had not found that piece. The prospect that Michael and Patrick were made State Wards did pop up on Ancestry.com and I've been waiting for a reply from a helpful woman at PROV to confirm a link.
Cando, with respect to your info; I think I need a tutorial in getting information out of the BDM Historical Search. I have not been able to find a record of Michael or Patrick's birth, nor for that matter Emma's or her marriage.
The St Mary's Colac baptism records show Michael's birth date as 31/07/1883 and Patrick as 31/11/1881 (yeah, that was how it was recorded, so either 30/11 or 01/12 perhaps) I have not been aware of a namesake until now. The Michael Medley date seems all wrong, but the parents match.
The plot thickens further however - was Patrick and Michaels' father's name William? I have a copy of St Patrick's Ballarat marriage record for Michael and Isabella (23/01/1906) and it lists Michael's parents as being Emma and husband George Allan. This was where my father always got stuck in searching up Michael's history, for his name was Alan George Smedley - naturally, he assumed the William referenced in the Colac records was incorrect somehow.
I've not yet been successful in tracing George Allan - I haven't found a birth record, or evidence of assisted or unassisted passage. There was a George who would make a rough fit based on age that was "transported" to Van Diemens Land (Nottingham Quarter Sessions) but I'm drawing a bit of a long bow that he may travelled to Melbourne when freed and somehow hooked up with Emma. Based on the childrens ages, he would have been in his 30s when they were born.
Now I wonder whether Michael and Patrick were perhaps fathered by William O'Bryan?
The other thing which doesn't quite fit, is that Emma, according to my father, was understood to have been related to WC Rigby who emigrated to Australia in the 1850's who after a stint in the Ballarat goldfields, went on to establish Rigby Publishing Limited in Adelaide. It was one of Australia's largest publishing houses from the 1880's until the 1980s when it was sold. Rigbys were also noted for their philanthropy - maybe Emma was a blacksheep, I don't know, but if the link was there, it is strange that they seemingly abandoned her.
Oh boy, its old adage - don't ask questions unless you want to know the answers. I've got a bit more digging to do! Is John born 1889 related - what happened to him? The list is starting to build.
Thanks again. If you have any advice on shortcuts or ways through Victorian bureaucracy to help me identify Emma's and George/William's origins, I'd be grateful. Obviously, if you draw any other links for me, please let me know.
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Hi Sue,
I just saw your follow up on Patrick's death. Yeah, I was thinking that maybe it wasn't him because of the father's name - but I can link his burial to the Ryde Mental Asylum, it may help. He sounds like a pretty troubled sort of guy and he seems to have been in and out of gaol/asylums for most of his adult life.
It now begs the question, did Michael know, or had they lost touch?
Thanks,
John
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Hi Sue,
I just saw your follow up on Patrick's death. Yeah, I was thinking that maybe it wasn't him because of the father's name - but I can link his burial to the Ryde Mental Asylum, it may help. He sounds like a pretty troubled sort of guy and he seems to have been in and out of gaol/asylums for most of his adult life.
It now begs the question, did Michael know, or had they lost touch?
Thanks,
John
A transcription of this death may help confirm the man's identity, but will obviously not give any more on his parents' names.
Are you familiar with the process of ordering transcriptions?
Sue
ADDING
The army records show clearly PATRICK was not robust in body or mind. Small in stature and weight and congenitally mentally deficient.
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Sue,
Thanks - I'm not sure of the transcript process in NSW, but for the time being am probably more focussed on my grandfather Michael. From Cando's input, I've obtained the Birth Record for Michael dated 3/01/1889 and the marriage date contained for William & Emma 05/10/1880 works. It also shows Patrick and "Alfred" as existing "issue".
Whether Alfred Michael inverted his names I don't know, nor do I know where George Allan fits in as a father. The State Ward issue may be a key - George Allan may have been a foster father - just don't know.
The Michael who married Isabel (Isabella) could not have been the latter as he would have been 12 years younger.
Thanks for the ongoing help. Hope my commentary is of interest.
rgds
John
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Hi John,
I wonder, would you take the time to type up the entire contents of the birth certificate you have downloaded.
Sometimes only small hints can open pathways. :)
Sue
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Cando, with respect to your info; I think I need a tutorial in getting information out of the BDM Historical Search. I have not been able to find a record of Michael or Patrick's birth, nor for that matter Emma's or her marriage.
I do not use the online search. Many of us have our own resources.
If there was no marriage and if the children were illegitimate and Emma was in troubled circumstances, she obviously didn't register their births. Many Roman Catholics considered the baptism sufficient 'registration' and ignored the civil registration.
I agree with Sue comments re the 1889 birth certificate details.
What were Wm and Emma's ages?
Where were they born?
Where were they married?
What was the place of birth?
What are the ages of Patrick and Alfred?....I would suggest this is Michael Alfred.
Who registered the birth?
Your reference to William Charles RIGBY living at Ballarat. None of the births to Wm and Harriet CAPLE were at Ballarat. Have your taken your information from his obituary in various newspapers of the day? You would have to see the death certificates to find the places of death.
I very much doubt he was in Ballarat at all. Employed by his ?father in law. His wife was still in Melbourne in 1860. If you think Emma is his dau I would suggest you purchase the 1858 birth certificate for Mary as all previous issue of the marriage would be listed.
1856 Victorian Electoral Roll
RIGBY William Charles 29 Collins Street. Shopman
Nature of Qualification Salary
Description or particulars of Qualification £100 James CAPLE, Collins Street.
Birth – with mother’s surname error…see death below
RIGBY Harry
Father William Charles Mother Harriet WRIGHT
At Melbourne 1856 Reg#3851
Death
RIGBY Harry
Father William Charles Mother Harriet CAPLE
9 months Born Melbourne 1857 Reg#433
Birth
RIGBY Mary
Father William Charles Mother Harriet CAPLE
At Melbourne 1858 Reg#10203
Death….birth not registered
RIGBY Charles
Father William Charles Mother Harriet CAPLE
1860 8 days Born St Kilda Reg#12252
Birth in South Australia
RIGBY Ada Harriet
26 May 1863
Father William Charles RIGBY Mother Ada Harriet CAPLE
At Adelaide Ade27/286
Death
RIGBY Ada Harriet
5 Mar 1865 21 months Status Child Relative William Charles RIGBY [Father]
Residence Adelaide Death Adelaide Ade 18/109
Births
RIGBY Ada
30 Aug 1866
Father William Charles RIGBY Mother Harriet CAPEL
At Adelaide Ade 33/630
RIGBY Lilian
26 Mar: 1871
Father William Charles RIGBY Mother Harriet CAPLE
At Adelaide Ade 93/17
A rather 'glowing' obituary
http://shrinkalink.com/60941
The deceased has left three daughters— Mrs. Mary Ringwood of Barnard street, North Adelaide; Mrs. Lillian Meth, and Miss Ada Rigby, of East Adelaide—and six grandchildren. His wife died many years ago.
Cheers ;D
Cando
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I have a copy of St Patrick's Ballarat marriage record for Michael and Isabella (23/01/1906) and it lists Michael's parents as being Emma and husband George Allan. This was where my father always got stuck in searching up Michael's history, for his name was Alan George Smedley - naturally, he assumed the William referenced in the Colac records was incorrect somehow.
Do you mean here that MICHAEL’s father is listed as-
First name GEORGE surname ALLAN
Or do you mean he is listed as
First name GEORGE second name ALLAN Surname SMEDLEY.
It is not clear to me.
EDIT
ALSO "EMMA" what maiden name doyou mean?
Sue
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If the SURNAME was ALLAN, could this be a relevant couple?
ALLAN George
HOLMES Emma
His Birth Place CRESWICK
Year 1885
Reg Number 6424
Sue
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Sorry for jumping all over the place with my posts....but I can't see a connection for Emma RIGBY with W C RIGBY at this stage.
Interesting that there is a headstone for Harriet RIGBY which mentions Harry and Charles who died in Victoria and Ada who died in SA. Wm C is not buried at the same location as his wife and chn at West Terrace.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Edeadsearch/cemetery_index.htm
RIGBY Harriet 1872; Harry 1857, Charles 1860 and Ada 1865
John information on certificates is not always accurate and as there are no birth registrations apart from the 1889 birth, I think you need to accept the parish records as being somewhere near the mark....although they are simply the information given to the parish priest by Emma and ?Wm....and I've seen parish records with obviously incorrect dates. One of my ancestors was baptised two years before his was born....an obvious error with the year when looking at the other baptisms on the same page of the register.
We await further details ;D
Cheers ;D
Cando
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Hi Sue,
As requested, I will either type up the Birth Record for Michael (1889) or insert an image in a while.
In the meantime, my apologies for the confusion, but just to stop you going down the wrong path though, Michael and Isabella's Marriage Record reflects:
Father: George Allan Smedley
Mother: Emma Rigby
Sorry I confused you. I was really just highlighting that while George Allan (SMEDLEY) appears nowhere else in the records, my father was named Alan George SMEDLEY (he was presumably named thus as an acknowledgement of George).
Cando,
Thanks for the feedback on WC Rigby. It was one of those things my father spoke about from time to time, but as a younger man, I typically didn't pay the attention due.
Emma clearly fell on very hard times (whether these were self inflicted is difficult to know). The thought that she and William (or George for that matter) had never been officially married had crossed my mind - I guess record keeping of the day and the ability to verify what someone had said would make it relatively easy to represent yourself as married.
At the moment I figure I'm best to try and identify Emma Rigby/Smedley and William Smedley's deaths and work backwards. Records don't reflect anything obvious, but I'm still looking.
Thanks Again.
Again, I'm banking on the woman at PROV responding with the State Ward info as she offered. . Unfortunately I otherwise might have to make a trip to Melbourne at some point to get it.
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Sue/Cando,
If I've done it correctly, the following link will take you to Michael's birth record in my dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6yuhmfua6s5sjn5/Birth%20Record%20Michael%2003011889.pdf
Appreciate your feedback.
rgds
John
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Cando,
In reply to your questions:
What were Wm and Emma's ages: According to Michael's birth record Emma was 37 (born Ballarat) & William 40 (born? London)
Where were they married? Place of Marriage was Colac 05/10/1880.
What was the place of birth?Michael was born at Womens Hospital (Smith Ward), Carlton
What are the ages of Patrick and Alfred?....I would suggest this is Michael Alfred.According the Colac Baptism records Patrick's DOB was 31/11/1881 which would have made him 7 at the time, while Michael (Michael Alfred) was born 31/07/1883, making him 5. It is noteworthy the State Ward information you provided earlier reflected a John Smedley, on their list, being born in 1889 - I suspect the 1889 Michael became John?
Who registered the birth?The informant, as for all on the page, would appear to be J Humphries, Messenger?, Womens Hospital, Carlton, the registrar John Glennon, recorded the birth on 6/02/1889.
Thanks again.
John
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What are the ages of Patrick and Alfred on the 1889 birth certificate please John :)
Cheers :)
Cando
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John but the link is not opening to view the cert.
Cando
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Ah at long last...it doesn't open at the page but you have to click on download direct...well at least I've got it now. Thank you. Patrick and Alfred are noted as twins aged seven years on the cert. Emma 37 years born Ballarat c1852 well that's before William Charles RIGBY emigrated to Australia.
Cando
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Where were they married? Place of Marriage was Colac 05/10/1880.
Back to the Colac parish records then ;D
Cando
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Cando,
Thanks - good point about Emma's birth date and WC Rigby. Hmm.
As for the marriage, I'm waiting on a reply from the Colac Parish, so I'll update once known.
The fact that Patrick & Alfred are listed as twins, do you discern that from the brackets - they and a comment adjacent were undiscernable to me?
PS: Glad you got the Dropbox item to open.
rgds
John
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There was an Isaac RIGBY and wife in Ballarat according to the indexes. Of course if Emma was born c1852 that is before the introduction of civil registration in Vic which was in Jul 1853 so unless she was baptised and the parish records forwarded to the Vic Registry which was required by law, there will nothing on the Vic bdm's. Many churches did not comply with the legislation.
Perhaps I have misinterpreted the info in the previous issue column. I think it looks like Patrick and Alfred bracket and twins 7
Cheers
Cando
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Perhaps I have misinterpreted the info in the previous issue column. I think it looks like Patrick and Alfred bracket and twins 7
Cheers
Cando
I agree with your initial interpretation.
Patrick and Alfred appear to be bracketted as twins aged 7
Sue
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Hi,
I've been quiet for the last few weeks having been on leave and then waiting for feedback to enquiries in Colac and PROV.
Anyway, I thought I'd update things for anyone who may be interested; Cando particularly, thank you for your help so far!!
PROV was able to provide the following information from The State Wards Register for each of Patrick, Michael & John Smedley who were committed as state wards on 15/01/1890. It shows:
Emma Smedley's address at that date as HM Gaol Geelong (ref: G90/4788). The register also states the childrens' father as being William Smedley, laborer (unknown - presume this refers to whereabouts).
Emma's incarceration was brief and the register records a series of addresses:
20/07/1890 - Marshalltown, near Geelong (G90/8133)
28/12/1890 - Camperdown (G91/3408)
8/02/1894 - C/o Mr/Mrs? Robinson, Ferguson Street, Campderdown (G94/1556)
6/04/1894 - same address
22/05/1894 - same address (verbal)
24/11/1894 - C/o Mrs(?) O'Meara(?), PO Warrion, near Colac
18/09/1895 - C/o Mr Reid, PO Warrion, near Colac
17/03/1896 - same address [last entry]
The children's histories for same period are posted in the next email (I’ve overshot the character count – apologies)
Comments following refer in part to subsequent message:
NLA Trove reveals James Joseph Millane sold Mount Paradise Farm, Upper Pakenham around 10/10/1918 and passed away at Mount Evins Private Hospital 28/10/1920.
I've managed to find out a bit about the Industrial Reform Schools mentioned and need to look into John a bit further. Again though, I can't find a death record for John (or a Michael) that fits the birth date.
With respect to Patrick however, I've searched the Kew Lunatic Asylum records for the date given, but cannot find a record of admission. I don't know if there is a reason.
I think it reasonable to assume that he and the Patrick Smedley, in and out Ryde and other Sydney Asylums during the 20s and 30s, and convicted and gaoled for arson at Bathurst NSW 4/07/1928 are the same man. I still need to verify the Kew and Ryde records.
With regard to Emma and William, who are my main goal, the trail goes cold as I cannot find any official record of the birth, death or official marriage of either Emma Smedley (Rigby) or William Smedley. The marriage date provided in Michael's (John's) birth record (5/10/1880) can't be subtantiated by Colac church records.
While I concede that two different Emma Rigby's in the Colac/Camperdown general area at the time would be a longshot, the marriage of Emma to Michael O'Bryan doesn't seem to fit. While perhaps technically possible, the DOBs of her various issue suggest she would have been perpetually pregnant to 2 men over 5 years! I.e. William O'Bryan was listed as 4 in March 1885, meaning he was born the same year as Patrick (30/11/1891), while Mary was three, being born in 1882, which means Emma would have to have fallen pregnant almost immediately after Patrick, and then again with Michael Alfred, born 31 July 1883.
Could Williams O'Bryan & Smedley be the same man? William Smedley was listed on Michael (John's) birth record as 40 in 1890, while O'Bryan was 33 in 1885 on Michael O'Bryans birth - 2 years gap? In Emma's case Michael's birth record shows 37yrs in 1889 (Dob 1852) versus 35 for Michael O'Bryan (DOB 1850) again 2 years. For good measure William Smedley was born say 1849 in London, while William O'Bryan hailed from Limerick, Ireland. Oh boy, there are some tantalising similarities, but perhaps the names William and Michael were common as mud in those days?
It is all the more frustrating not to know Emma's circumstances after the last record of 17/03/1896 and why she abandoned/never regained her children. If she is the same Emma O'Bryan, what happened to Michael and Mary? Its not a happy family history.
Anyway, does anyone know if the references listed above, are likely to be backed by written notes? I'm waiting on apreply from PROV. Also, if gaoled, would the court/gaoler records be available somewhere online, or would they too only be at the Public Records office?
I think I am now faced with spending a day or two in Melbourne at the PROV or as I think Cando suggested, a facilitator based in Melbourne (can anyone recommend someone?).
Thanks for reading and I'll be grateful for any advice.
Rgds
Smeddles
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Further to the previous message, the following are the State Ward particulars:
Patrick Smedley No. 17395
DOB 02/10/1883 (31/11/81), Native Place - Colac, Religion R/C, Date of Commitment 15/01/1890 at Geelong. Cause - Neglect. Expiration of term - 02/10/1901
Father - William Smedley, Laborer, not known
Mother - Emma Smedley, poor
Relations - Brothers 17396 & 17463
Subsequent History of Relations.
Mother HM Gaol, Geelong G90/4788, Mother Emma Smidley (sic) Marshalltown PO near Geelong 20.7.90 / G90/8133 28/12/90 / Mrs Smedley PO Camperdown G91/3408 / M C/o Mr Robinson, Ferguson Street, Camperdown 8/2/94 / same address 5/3/94 G94/1556 / same address 6/4/94 / same address 22/5/94 / M C/o Mr O'Meara (?) Warrion 24/11/94 / M C/o Mr Reid P Office, Warrion, via Colac on 18/9/95 / Still same address 17/3/96 [last notation]
Subsequent History of Child - Patrick
Where Stationed -
15/1/90 (Boys)?
28/2/90 Mary A Callinan, 444 Humffray Street North, Ballarat East
20/1/98 (Boys)?
12/2/98 Mr Bergin (?) Kia Ora (possibly) near Ararat
22/2/98 do?
24/4/98 Absconded G98/3240
29/4/98 Boys Depot
8/6/98 Mr D Ford, Violet Town
19/7/98 do
19/10/98 Mr Jno (Jonathon?) Arundel, looks like Pendowring or Pundowring
1/11/98 do
29/11/98 Straight View Reformatory (Farm) near Castlemaine
19/12/98 being (unintelligible) Royal Park Reformatory
9/3/99 Absconded
11/3/99 Royal Park Reformatory
5/6/99 Excelsior Reformatory (at Brighton)
14/7/99 Absconded
14/7/99 Royal Park Reformatory
17/7/99 Excelsior Reformatory
25/2/01 Absconded
28/2/01 Excelsior Reformatory
13/3/01 Absconded
18/3/01 Excelsior Reformatory
28/8/01 Absconded
7/9/01 Excelsior Reformatory
30/9/01 Kew Lunatic Asylum
Michael Smedley No. 17396
Same birthdate (31/7/83), religion and commitment and release dates as Patrick (they weren't twins and the date is wrong)
Subsequent History of Child - Michael
15/1/90 (Boys)?
28/2/90 Mary A Callinan, 444 Humffray Street North, Ballarat East
1/10/96 Mrs Cousins, Leigh Creek (near Bungaree)
1/1/97 Mrs Stone, Leigh Creek
1/4/98 Mr F H Greene, Millbrook
Discharge - Subsequent History - last address - 404 Seymour Street, Ballarat vide G06/10027 21/11/06
John Smedley No. 17403 (born as Michael?)
DOB 31/3/89 (correct 3/01/89), Native Place - Melbourne, Religion R/C, Date of Commitment 15/01/1890 at Geelong. Cause - Neglected. Expiration of term - 31/03/07
Subsequent History of Child - John
22/1/90 (?)
10/2/90 Mary A Callinan, 444 Humffray Street North, Ballarat East
9/2/91 Mrs Gleeson, Ballarat East
12/9/91 Mary A Callinan, 444 Humffray Street North, Ballarat East
3/7/01 Absconded
4/7/01 Boys Depot
30/7/01 St Augustines Orphanage (Geelong)
28/7/03 Depot
29/7/03 Mr Chas Walker, Hearns Creek (?), Euroa
7/9/03 Depot
18/9/03 Mr William Melville, Crossley (near Koroit)
8/11/03 Absconded G03/9419 or 9819
27/01/04 Depot
17/2/04 Thos Darmody, Southern Cross (near Koroit)
21/6/04 Depot
26/7/04 assume back at Southern Cross
27/7/04 Depot
16/8/04 Mrs Purcell, Merrijig via Mansfield
2/12/05 Depot
2/2/06 Mount Paradise Reformatory (near Pakenham)
6/9/06 Absconded
7/9/06 RP Reformatory (assume Royal Park)
10/9/06 Mount Paradise Reformatory (near Pakenham)
31/3/07 Employed by Mr Millane - who appears to have been the owner of Mount Paradise [last record]