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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: Pheno on Tuesday 15 January 13 20:50 GMT (UK)
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Just trawling the 1911 census I found an Ellis Nevitt (married to Eunice) living in Staffordshire stated as being born c. 1867 in Penley, Flintshire. I don't have this person in my tree but as Ellis seems to be a common name within the Nevitt family I am sure he must fit so I thought I would trace his origins.
I can find him in 1901 (as Edis Levitt who gives his birthplace as Shropshire) and 1891 (where he says born Penley but in 1863) living in Staffordshire on both occasions but I cannot trace him before that.
I've tried all the common name variants and checked the birth indexes between 1860 and 1870 but can't find an appropriate Ellis Nevitt.
Is anyone able to find him as a child with his family in either 1871 or 1881, he may of course be in Staffordshire even in 1871, which I hope would provide me with enough information to either fit him into my tree or discount him as part of the family.
Many thanks, Pheno
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Hi look at the Ellis Chesworth aged 19 occ Coal Miner b Penley residing with family in Audley Staffs in 1881 Census Ref RG11/2703/9/13, then go to 1871 and look for a Joseph Nevett 55 b Flintshire with wife Ann 58 b Flintshire in Brook Lane Shropshire you will see possibly the reason Ellis could be a Nevitt? Census Ref RG10/2787/42/16
Keyboard86
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The Penley Parish Registers I have as transcribed by Clwyd FHS state that he was baptized at Penley 07/12/1862 to parents William and Ellen Nevitt.
Regards
William Russell Jones..
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The Penley Parish Registers I have as transcribed by Clwyd FHS state that he was baptized at Penley 07/12/1862 to parents William and Ellen Nevitt.
Regards
William Russell Jones..
Thanks for that in 1881 he is with a William Chesworth 53 b Mange Cheshire and Ellen Elizabeth 53 b Market Drayton, Worcs
Keyboard86
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I'm not finding a marriage for his parents though,there are too many variants for the name!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Ellis's birth is showing in the Oct/Nov/Dec quarter of 1862 in the Ellesmere District of Shropshire.Volume 6a,Page 665.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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mmm this look like the 1881 family in 1871?
William NESBITT 34 occ Carrier b Malpas Cheshire
Ellen b 44 Hanmer Flint
William 10 b Hanmer
Ellis 8 b Buckley
Ellen 5 b Garden Lodge? Denbighshire
High Street, Morton Above, Wrexham
Census Ref RG10/5653/184/53
Keyboard86
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1871 family in 1861:-
William Nevitt 27 occ Ag Lab b Malpas Cheshire
Ellin 36 b Hanmer
Eliza 2 b Hanmer
William Henry 1 b Hanmer
Residing at Rosery Moss Lane, Hanmer, Ellesmere, Shropshire
Census Ref RG09/1882/36/10
1881 children:-
William H Chesworth 20 occ Coal Miner b Hanmer
Ellis Chesworth 19 occ Coal Miner b Penley
Ellen Elizabeth Chesworth 15 b Ruabon, Denbighshire
Marriage William NEVETT to Ellen Stubbs March qtr 1858 Nantwich 8a 293
Keyboard86
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Excellent work.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi living close to Ellis in 1891:-
William Nevitt 58 occ Coal Miner b Malpas
Ellen 67 b Hanmer
William Howard 25 Son in Law occ Engine Fitter b Chesterton, Staffs
Ellen E Howard 25 Daughter b Garden Lodge, North Wales
Residing at Arbour Road, Audley, Talk O' Th'-Hill, Newcastle under Lyme
Census Ref RG12/2152/18/32
Marriage Ellen Elizabeth Nevitt to William Howard June qtr 1890 Newcastle L 6b 146
Keyboard86
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Thank you very much to all who have contributed above. Has given me plenty of info to sift through and digest.
Regards, Pheno
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Dear William and Keyboard, I've analysed the information that you have both kindly found for me now and have concluded that this is the Ellis Nevitt son of William Nevitt who married Ellen Stubbs March qtr 1858 Nantwich and for some reason something went awry with the 1881 census return when the whole family were recorded with the surname Chesworth (there is a Nevitt/Chesworth connection elsewhere) but I really think this is an anomaly also considering the fact that William's birthplace appears as Mange rather than Malpas and that he has aged by 20 years from the previous census making him the same age as his wife Ellen, when in reality he was about 10 years younger. So you have solved my conundrum.
I think William and Ellen both die prior to the 1901 census, both deaths being registered in Newcastle under Lyme, William in the Sep qtr 1891 aged 57 and Ellen in the Mar qtr 1895 aged 70.
I believe I have found William in 1851 HO107/2170/495/45 where he is a farm servant in Norbury village in the house of William Redropp although the birthplace in Cheshire is not given as Malpas.
A couple of follow up issues though if you have time.
Do you think that his baptism is that of 18 August 1833 in Malpas - mother Mary Nevitt?
Are you able to pin him (& Mary) down in the 1841 census anywhere?
Even with all this info I still can't definately attach William and therefore Ellis to my tree but I am convinced they belongs there - to go with the other 7 Ellis Nevitt's born between 1833 (bap 7/1/1833 Malpas son of John & Anne and not to be confused with the above) and 1924.
Many many thanks for your previous info and here's hoping, Pheno
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A further update to the above from familysearch which I should have looked at previously and which really solves my outstanding queries.
On the marriage details for William Nevitt to Ellen Stubbs on 25 January 1858 at Wrenbury, Cheshire he states his father's name to be George Chesworth!
And guess what: there is a marriage of a Mary Nevitt to a George Chesworth on 16 August 1835 at Malpas.
Whether or not this is his real father is unclear and obviously William does, at times, use both names. I may have to look at the parish registers to solve this mystery.
Regards, Pheno
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Hi Pheno, as you found a potential William Nevitt in 1851 working in Norbury, I just wonder therefore if this is the family in 1841?
Geo Chesworth 25 occ Ag Lab
Mary 25
Willm 7
Jno 5
Geo 3
Anne 2
Residing in Norbury
Census Ref HO107/117/ 12/10 / 14
In 1851 still in Norbury, George and Mary are both born Malpas, children Marbury
Census Ref HO107/2170/491/38
Keyboard86
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Thanks Keyboard, I'm sure you're right.
Might turn my attention to the Cheshire board now to see if someone can help with Mary Nevitt's origins.
I've added such a lot more info now due to spotting this Ellis Nevitt - it really helps when there is a specific name combination in a family.
Now to find out why so many Nevitt families are calling one of their sons Ellis and in one case a daughter Mary Ellis Nevitt. I guess it could just be a Welsh thing but I feel that it must be something more than that.
Many thanks, Pheno
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As far as the name Ellis is concerned,whilst there may be some link to a previous Surname,it was quite widely used as a Christian name.I have quite a few in my Tree!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Just for interest William and Keyboard, I have tracked this family back and forward over the years now but couldn't find William and Ellen's son William Henry (Ellis' elder brother) b. 1860 Hanmer, Flintshire with his own family in 1901 however hard I looked.
Finally found him recorded as William Chesworth living in Kidsgrove, Staffs so the Nevitt/Chesworth duplicity was still being used into the 20th century.
Regards, Pheno
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Have you come across a William Chesworth born in Hanmer in c 1871?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Yes I have William. He is a doubly related Chesworth in that he is a grandson of Mary Chesworth nee Nevitt through her son Henry Chesworth who is either full or half brother to the William Nevitt above, and his mother is Jane Nevitt although I can't be sure of her relationship at this stage.
By the way the William Henry Nevitt/Chesworth mentioned in my previous post had a son called Ellis so I am still collecting them - 9 now at the last count.
Thanks, Pheno
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This William was to marry a Mary ann from Oswestry.They had a son Sydney born in c 1903.Sydney was to marry a Lilian C Evans at Wrexham in 1929.Their daughter born in 1930 married one of my Gabriel relatives at Chester in 1956.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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William, I have Sydney in my records although I have not gone any further as the relationship to my husband ( a Nevitt) gets very distant at this point.
Its funny to think that other enthusiasts are collecting the same people!
Regards, Pheno
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I found William and Sydney working back from the daughter born in 1930.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Wherever he came from, this is where he ended up! I took this photo on a family history searching trip to Talke in 1990, looking for Nevitts.
Eunice was Eunice Cartlidge. Marriage: Dec 1889 Newcastle L 6b p133
Jean