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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: SeanyBear2011 on Tuesday 22 January 13 13:28 GMT (UK)
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I am just wondering if anyboby can verify this information for me Hodgen Liddell was born 1814 in England, and died 4 SEP 1888 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. his father was John Liddell and his mother was Sarah Fisken dates for John and Sarah are unknown as well as their parentage.....
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Welcome to rootschat SeanyBear2011.
I take it the source of this information is a Scottish death certificate? Did Hodgen marry in Scotland by any chance?
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Did Hodgen marry Blair Thynne?
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Hodgen did marry Blair in scotland....but the location of hodgen's birth is a mystery and are the details for his mother and father
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What leads you to believe Hodgen was born in England? Liddell appears to be largely a Scottish surname, though of course this family may have lived in England. Have you checked Scotland's People for his birth and his parent's marriage just in case?
If Hodgen and Blair married in Scotland do you have their marriage entry?
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The family tree was started by a distant cousin so i'm not sure where abouts he found his information..as for myself there's not much i can do myself apart from use the free access family history sites...but none have given me information regarding where he was born or the information for his parents.
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The Hodgen Liddell married to Blair gives his place of birth as Lanarkshire in various Scotland census.... c1816.
Possible Liddell/Thyne marriage, albeit mistranscribed and not sourced?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTBX-K2Q
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The surname Fisken appears to be exclusively Scottish. Liddell appears in England with highest distribution in the northern counties. Not set in stone, of course - just a rough guide.
Are you aware of the site "Scotland's People"?
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The Hodgen Liddell who married Blair Tyne gives place of birth as Lanarkshire in various Scotland census.... c1816.
Well I think that SeanyB should start from scratch as the cousin was obviously wrong. :)
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Yes i'm away of scotlands people i have tried it before but have never been able to access the information as they require payment which is impossible when you don't have dd cards
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You can order vouchers for use on SP...http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=551&1309 ...think some libraries in Scotland still sell vouchers too....
Info re him giving birthplace as Lanarkshire came from free searches on familysearch though - Census transcripts.
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The Hodgen Liddell married to Blair gives his place of birth as Lanarkshire in various Scotland census.... c1816.
Possible Liddell/Thyne marriage, albeit mistranscribed and not sourced?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTBX-K2Q
The link regarding familysearch.org has Little and Kynne as the surnames for Hodgen and Blair
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That's why I said it seemed mistranscribed.
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Yes, SP does require the purchase of credits, but it is quite good value and well worth it if you have Scottish ancestors. Is there anyone who can buy the credits on their credit or debit card, and you can pay them in cash?
For starters, I can see Hodgen's death (well there are two of them - so you have to make an educated guess as to which is yours once you purchase credits).
That marriage for Little and Kynne looks a distinct possibility (could have been misheard). Worth checking on SP.
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One thing to note, his saying he was born in Lanarkshire is not necessarily correct. It is always possible that if he was born in Carlise, as suggested by an online tree, that he was brought up in Lanarkshire, so assumed he was born there. Death certificate for him should at least confirm if the online tree is correct with parents names for him.
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The 1851 is quite specific, giving a place of birth as 'Shellterton' Lanarkshire, but of course it can be the case that a person doesn't know where they were born.
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Ah, it seems you have perhaps posted on several boards/forums, and were already made aware of the Census giving his PoB as Scotland rather than England and of the existence of his marriage record:
eg
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Genealogy-2028/2011/3/Liddell-Fisken.htm
It would have been helpful for you to mention this as saves duplication of research.
Judging by the numerous posts on the web re Hodgen, there has already been much debate over England, Ireland, Scotland as PoB.
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Thanks Scotmum, I see that 'Hodgen Liddell' is all over the internet. Lucky I don't have an SP credits because I probably would have wasted a few getting that death certificate. ;)
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Indeed, and I would now assume someone has already purchased said death certificate and that is where the apparent parents names come from (hopefully they will have remembered that the info given on the death certificate is only as good as the knowledge of the person giving it, be that family member or otherwise).
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This one has a reasonable amount of information. You could contact them to find out their sources:
http://www.williamdavidson.com/wc104/wc104_078.htm
It could be a case of incorrect information being copied and spread over the web. I think many of us have found cases like this in our ancestry. :)
It's always wise to do your own research, or at least double check what others have found and back it up with some certificates.
So you might be right scotmum, maybe some of the details on the d/c are wrong which may be why everyone is stuck. It could be worth finding out who the informant on Hodgen's d/c is, though sometimes even close family members can get things wrong. :)
I would still like to know what leads to the thinking that Hodgen was born in England. There must be a reason.
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And I will throw a cat among the pigeons and say it might be worth checking out this marriage too....
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY38-J4T
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I would agree scotmum. :)
A question: Would the children's births/christenings at this time in Scotland give any information about the origins of the parents? I am thinking that it would be worth checking each of Hodgen's children's births in case there is mention of his origins.
I don't feel like wading through all the online trees and posts containing Hodgen, but do any of them give him any siblings?