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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: LyndonRees on Tuesday 22 January 13 17:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi i'm looking for some further info on a John Sessions born 5 October 1743 in Appleton,Berkshire. His first wife was Mary Chils marriage 24 August 1769 in Appleton. They had children Ann (1770) and John (1771). His second marriage was to Mary Tidcomb on 23 November 1778. They had Mary (1779), Sarah (1781), Hannah (1782) and Thomas (1784). The thing is was John married a third time as the last of Johns' children was born in 1808, which would have made Mary 63 years old! The other children were: Robert (1786), John (1788), James (1792), Katherine (1794), William (1797), Samuel (1799), Stephen (1804) and another in 1808, which i don't know the name of. Any info please, Thank You.
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You haven't said what information you are looking for, but here are some details from the Appleton parish register transcription (courtesy of OFHS)
Burials:
26 Dec 1729 - SESSIONS William
23 Jan 1734 - SESSION Frances - widow
8 Apr 1748 - SESSIONS Mrs
24 Aug 1748 - SESSIONS Ann d/o Ferbert
12 Feb 1773 - SESSIONS John s/o John and Mary
7 Jan 1782 - SESSIONS Mary - w/o John
11 May 1786 - SESSIONS Farberd aged 84
18 Feb 1787 - SESSIONS William
8 Aug 1831 - SESSIONS John aged 88
There don't appear to be many baptisms in the time frame you are looking for - I'll take a look and post details.
Harry
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From the same OFHS transcription:
Baptisms
5 Oct 1743 - SESSIONS John s/o Ferbert and Jone
31 Mar 1746 - SESSIONS Ann d/o Ferbert
8 Apr 1770 - SESSIONS Anne d/o John and Mary
26 May 1771 - SESSIONS John s/o John and Mary
There are no other baptisms for SESSIONS in the whole register (1570 - 1839)
Marriages:
4 Aug 1769 - SESSIONS John, bach to CHILS Mary, Spstr
24 Apr 1794 - BARRET Baulin? bach to SESSIONS Anne, Spstr
These are the only marriages for SESSIONS in Appleton.
Harry
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Thank you Harry for that info. What i should have explained was, i was wondering if John Sessions was married for a third time as the years of some of his childrens' births would have made his wife over 60 years of age. I found that Robert Sessions, born in 1786 was born in Newbury, Bershire an gives his parents name as John Sessions and just gives his mothers' first name, Mary. Robert married Sarah Belcher on 11 May 1812 at East Hendred. Roberts' mother still could be Mary Tidcomb but later siblings, such as Stephen Sessions, born 1804 East Hendred, i find very unlikely if Mary Tidcomb was the mother as she would then have been 59 years old! Thanks again Harry.
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Have you traced the family at either of the Hendreds ? If not, these parishes have been transcribed by OFHS onto CD and someone on here or the Oxfordshire board may have the OXF-WAN02 disc that contains these parishes and will be able to help. Also there is a marriage index covering the ex Berkshire parishes that moved to Oxfordshire in 1974, which may be useful source of data.
Harry
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Okay Harry thanks. I'll give it a mention on here.
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Hi
I have the transcripts for the Hendreds-is Robert Sessions your ancestor ?
A John and Mary Sessions were baptising children at East Hendred between 1779 and 1804 including a Robert 27 Jan 1786
This Robert married Sarah Belcher at E/Hendred in 1812
Robert was buried 04 Nov 1834 age 46( sic)
Mary Sessions was buried at E/Hendred 23 Dec 1837 age 76 -this would give her a birth about 1760ish so she would be about 44 in 1804 when Stephen was born
Where did the 1778 marriage take place ?
Kim
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Hi thanks for the info, i have a marriage for John Sessions to a Mary Tidcomb at Bampton, Oxfordshire on 23 November 1778 and gives Mary Tidcomb's birth year as 1745, the same as Johns' first wife, Mary Chils. Do you have the maiden name of Robert Sessions' mother and the correct birth year of Mary Tidcomb if it's her? Thanks Kim.
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Hi
Marriage-23 November 1778 at Bampton (Lic)
John SESSIONS otp
Mary TITCOMBE (sic) Great Hendred Berks
Wit=E.Skinner/B.Collingwood
There is no indication that John was a widower (or a bachelor !)
Baptism at E/Hendred
23 June 1761-Mary Titcombe d Thomas & Mary
Marriage-25 Feb 1754 at E/Hendred
Thomas TITCOMBE
Mary WYATT
They baptised-at E/Hendred
22 June 1755-Thomas.......bur 20 June 1756
08 Aug 1756-Mary............bur 16 Mar 1759
04 Mar 1759-Elizabeth......bur 09 Oct 1761
23 Jun 1761-Mary
14 Aug 1763-Betty
Buriels E/Hendred
16 Mar 1764-Thomas ye elder
21 Oct 1767-Thomas ye yonger
06 Mar 1772-Thomas
All are spelt TITCOMBE
Kim
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Thanks Kim for all that info. You've been a great help.
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Hi Kim. Do you have a baptism date for Thomas Sessions? I have 4 July 1784 parents: John Sessions/ Mary Titcombe in Lambourn, Berkshire not East Hendred, is that correct? Thanks. Lyndon.
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Hi. Does anyone have any info on a Sarah Sessions ( born Newbury, Berkshire in 1781) and a Hannah Sessions ( born 1782 ) East Hendred? I have parents John Sessions and Mary Titcombe. Can anyone confirm this. Thanks.
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Sorry also was Thomas Sessions born in Lambourn in 1786 also the son of the same John Sessions and Mary Titcombe of the possible siblings above. Thanks.
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Lyndon
Why do you think Sarah was batpised at Newbury ?
The John Sessions and Mary Titcombe who married at Bampton in 1778 baptised the following children at East Hendred
29 Jan 1779-Mary.......bur 23 Mar inf
10 Jan 1781-Sarah
26 Jun 1782-Hannah
gap
27 Jan 1786-Robert
07 Jun 1788-John.......bur 20 June 1788 inf
18 Jan 1790-John
18 May 1792-James
21 Sep 1794-Katherine
30 Jul 1797-William......bur 27 May 1798
22 Sep 1799-Samuel William
19 Aug 1804-Stephen
Bur 04 April 1808-Stephen...not sure if it is the one above
The on-line Lambourne transcripts show a baptism 04 July 1784 for Thomas Sessions s John & Mary-as far as I can see it is the only baptism for this couple and so it is possibly "your" John & Mary,which would account for the gap at East Hendred,however unless the original P/R entry has more info no one will be able to say for certain ? !!
Kim
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Hi Kim. I just had a Sarah Sessions born in Newbury, obviously not the same one. Thanks for the info, Kim. Lyndon.
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Hello Lyndon.
The Sarah Sessions born 10 January 1781 married William Clifford of Buckland in East Hendred in 1802. Their children were Charles (ch. 27 July 1803), William (b. 19 April 1804, christened 13 May), Stephen (chr. 29 June 1806), and Ann (b. and chr. 24 March, 1808), Marian (chr. 22 April 1810) and Eliza (chr. 19 April 1812). Ann Clifford (who married John Wiltshire in 1828) is my g g g g grandmother; her daughter Emma married John Francis Butler of Upton and they emigrated to Australia in 1858. The Sessions family was Catholic, and some family members are buried in the churchyard of St Mary's, East Hendred.
I can give you more information on our family if you like.
Geoffrey
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I have Sarah Sessions m. William Clifford 11 Oct 1802 at East Hendred. 11 Children:Charles1803, William1804, Stephen1806, Ann1808, Marion1810, Eliza1812, Harriet1814, Rachel1817, Stephen1820, Martha1822, Sarah1823. Family legend says Rachel had 3 children with an aristocrat while working for the family and was given passage to Canada and a sum of money. They carried her name. Can anyone confirm this? evrlast@gmail.com
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Hi evriast,
Welcome to Rootschat and happy new year.
Just be aware you shouldn't post your email address as its against Rootschat policy and will probably be removed by the moderators. (It prevents it from being used by scammers etc.)
However, I have found the following baptism in the East Hendred transcripts issued by the Oxfordshire FHS;
5-11-1837 Charles Clifford s/o Rachel, singlewoman
19-4-1843 Mary Ann " d/o " "
I couldn't see a 3rd baptism nor can i see any burial or marriage.
I found her in the 1841 census, she was still at home with her father William and with her son Charles and another son James aged 1 year. This entry doesn't appear in East Hendred that I can see.
Its possible that if either married it may give a father's name, or it might not.
Hope this helps.
Alan
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James Clifford was born 30 Oct 1838. Rachel came to Canada with the 3 children and her sister Marion, expecting her lover (possibly the son of Lord Marlborough of Blenheim Palace) to join them the following spring. Instead the stableman of Blenheim, James Haynes was sent in his place with a sum of money for Rachel and a proposal of marriage if she was interested. She accepted and had 3 children with Haynes. These children have his name and the first three kept the name Clifford. It would be great to know if there is any truth to the story.
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The William Clifford, married to Sarah Sessions , born 1781 is my 3g grandfather. I am particularly interested in their son Charles , born 1803, transported to Austraia in 1825 and my 2 g grandfather's ancestors, especially the Session family of East Hendred on Sarah 's father's side and her mother's line of Tidcombs
Bob
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Although this entry is old I have some info that may help others in the future;
James Clifford was born 30 Oct 1838. Rachel came to Canada with the 3 children and her sister Marion, expecting her lover (possibly the son of Lord Marlborough of Blenheim Palace) to join them the following spring. Instead the stableman of Blenheim, James Haynes was sent in his place with a sum of money for Rachel and a proposal of marriage if she was interested. She accepted and had 3 children with Haynes. These children have his name and the first three kept the name Clifford. It would be great to know if there is any truth to the story.
It appears to me Rachel married James HAINES before going to the US, so above story very unlikely..
FreeBMD
June 1845, Wantage 6 381
Rachel CLIFFORD and James HAINES on same page
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I have further information that answers most of my previous post. James Haines and Rachel Clifford were married twice in 1845 before coming to Canada: one was probably a Catholic ceremony, since the names on the same search are Mary Ann Eyston and Richard Thomas Gillow. The Catholic Eystons owned the manor (ie owned everything in the village and surrounding area) where East Hendred is situated and probably insisted on this. Rachel may have been in their employ and lived within walking distance of their house. Rachel's children were born in Wantage Workhouse- this is where poor women went to have children out of wedlock. I ordered birth records for her children James and Mary Ann, and both were born there with the fathers name and rank/profession left blank. Informant: Henry Walker, Master of Wantage Union Workhouse. I assume the second marriage, about the same time, was in an Anglican church.
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The Catholic Eystons owned the manor (ie owned everything in the village and surrounding area) where East Hendred is situated
They still do! ;D
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I wonder if DNA will someday solve if Cliffords and Eystons are related.
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Appreciate this thread has been quiet for quite sometime but I am a descendant of Anne Clifford and John Wiltshire through their daughter Emma who married John Butler and came to Australia.
Would like to share information and get any information that could be shared with me.