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Hello
I have come across the wonderfully named Bardock Cole marrying Hannah Deex in 1854 in Tendring. Can anyone find this man on the 1841 please - If he is the same man as on the 1881 then he was born about 1811 in Ramsey.
Thanks
verona
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here he is in 1861 little oakley Ref RG9/1095/159/7
bardock cole 27 stone dredger b wix
hannah wife 24 b tendring
william 4 b gt oakley
henry 2 b same
also found next page his father
bardock cole the elder 47 ag lab b ramsey
elizabeth wife 49 b germany
sarah 17 b lt oakley
james 8 b same
regards
alan
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Hi verona
here he is in 1851 little oakley ref HO107/1780/169/6
26 back road
bardock cole 36 ag lab b ramsey
elizabeth wife 38 b germany
bardock 17 tailor b wix
elizabeth 4 b lt oakley
sarah 7 b same
regards
alan
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1841
HO 107 338 /22
Folio 5, page 5
Little Oakley
Bardock COLE, 30, Ag Lab, yes
Bardock do, 6, yes
no wife in Little Oakley, his age rounded down.
Remembered seeing it the other day when I looked for Barfield
:) Christine
I was doing a google search on COLE and your query popped up.
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Well that's a nice surprise ;D I thought this one had gone quiet!
Thank you
Verona
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Hi Verona,
ANOTHER ONE, I'm just looking at my notes from Great Oakley COLEs, I'm matching register entries up with the 1841 census (I have an unidentified Sarah COLE) I haven't recorded the ref numbers - HO 107/338/?
1841 census Great Oakley, Essex
Stone Hall Lane
Bawdeck COLE, 45, y - with family of POTTER (William & Mary)
born in county
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Hello
Do you think that you've now found grandfather? With the ages on the 1841 being so elastic it could easily be that there are three generations of "Bardicks".
Are you getting anywhere with "Spare Sarah Cole"?
Many thanks
verona
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You could be right - this one could be actually almost 50, however the other is really about 36 I think - might not be enough of a difference. The other thing, sometimes a person can be counted as being in two households, though again you have the age difference.
Sarah COLE is a ggg grandmother, born Boxted about 1796, but doesn't appear to be baptised there. I did find a webpage with a William about the same age also born there - but obviously not christened there either as the person did not have his parents from the registers. I'm thinking that they may have ended up in Great Oakley, where Sarah had her first children, even though they were married in Harwich. But there was also another Randall family there as well, which I haven't been able to connect to mine as yet.
:) ChristineR
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Hi All,
If anyone is still watching this one, it seems Bardock Cole b.1833 was my grt grt grandad.
I've found his baptism and I've found the baptism in 1794 of his probable grandad Bardock. Can anyone find a baptism for his father Bardock b.1812 or a marriage ( to Elizabeth, she apparently born in Germany with a maiden name of Raison or something similar).
Cheers.
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Have looked for bardock c1812 baptism on little and great Oakley, ramsey, wix, Hardwick, parkeston and
Wrabness Parish registers to no avail!
There are a fair few Cole baptisms but no bardock.
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There is a Cole baptised to John and Mary 4 August 1816. It’s a bit difficult to read. Think it says Caleb, but maybe it starts with a b? Image 11. Great Oakley.
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FreeReg has a baptism of an Elizabeth Mason otherwise Cole in Little Oakley, 25 June 1836
Parents Bardick + Elizabeth
The BT has it in 1837, rather than 36, and no mention of Cole on that (and I can't be sure the name actually is Mason!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-LZ6?i=340&cat=515277
Hopefully nannyj might be able to investigate.
John
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FreeReg has a baptism of an Elizabeth Mason otherwise Cole in Little Oakley, 25 June 1836
Parents Bardick + Elizabeth
The BT has it in 1837, rather than 36, and no mention of Cole on that (and I can't be sure the name actually is Mason!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLF-LZ6?i=340&cat=515277
Hopefully nannyj might be able to investigate.
John
There is a note at the side of the record in the Parish register that says ‘ this family is always called Cole, but wrongfully as the born (difficult to read that word) was an illegitimate child, Lord on eight (can’t make out those three words) to the name of the person who afterwards married her mother.
Little Oakley baptisms image 26 for anyone who has access.
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Thanks, nannyj.
I wonder if they really did get married.
Another Elizabeth!
2 January 1840, Little Oakley
Elizabeth
daur of Bardock + Elizabeth Mason alias Cole
Labourer
That baptism from the BT
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The note added is different handwriting and I saw on a family treee that the first Elizabeth died 1839 (haven’t looked for a burial yet). Elizabeth is not with bardock 1841 census but he is with son bardock.
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BRdock is baptised to bardock and Elizabeth Cole, Elizabeth 1836 (found her burial in little Oakley in 1839) and Elizabeth 1840 are to bardock and Elizabeth Rason (think it’s an R) alias Cole. Sarah 1844 and James 1852 are just bardock and Elizabeth Cole. So if, and I think it is an if, they did marry, it looks like before 1844. Have looked all over the area with no luck for a marriage.
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Started out with a load of Bardock's and now I've got a bunch of Elizabeth's. Did a search for Bardock b.1883 and came up with a Bardock Raison aboard a vessel in Harwich 1881! Big coincidence!!! I think he is Cole using the mother's maiden name that he should have been given at birth as his parents weren't wed. There is also a Bardock Cole marrying a Mary Cuthbert in 1843! Bardock is such an uncommon name this marriage must tie in somehow. ???
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Are we sure it wasn't Bardock who was illegitimate?
That would explain Rason alias Cole.
If the Elizabeths were known to be illegitimate (althogh we still haven't found a marriage!) then usually only the mother would be named on the baptism, or it would say the parents were Bardock Cole + Elizabeth Rason. Or something like that!
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There is also a Bardock Cole marrying a Mary Cuthbert in 1843! Bardock is such an uncommon name this marriage must tie in somehow. ???
It would be interesting to know who he was. It's on the last page of marriages for Tendring that quarter (June), so even in 1843 it might not have been a parish church.
Raison birth registrations in Tendring. Are they connected? The only others in Tendring in the same period have mother's maiden name Lee. They do coincide with the baptisms nannyj found in the same quarters.
March 1840 vol 12 page 263
Raison, Eizabeth
mother ...en
(that's it!)
March 1844 12 279
Raisin, Sarah
mother Crowland
Dec 1852 4a 190
Raison, James
mother Grollin
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There is a Cole baptised to John and Mary 4 August 1816. It’s a bit difficult to read. Think it says Caleb, but maybe it starts with a b? Image 11. Great Oakley.
As yet no connection found between the Gt. Oakley COLE family and Bardock COLE, the 1816 baptism is definitely Caleb, I am descended from his brother William.
Bardock was the son of another Bardock sometimes the name us written Bundock and other variations.
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Bardock was the son of another Bardock sometimes the name us written Bundock and other variations.
The first(?) Bardock Cole left a will.
Formerly of the parish of Wix, late of Little Oakley Essex, Labourer
Died 3 October 1866 Little Oakley
Proved at the Principal Registry (25 October) by the oath of Bardock Cole of Little Oakley, Labourer
Death, Dec 1866 Tendring 4a 159
Cole, Bundock
age 72
Perhaps the will contains some answers?
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There's a burial at Wix, 9 January 1844
Mary Cole, age 34
Could she be Mary Cuthbert?
Bardock 1794 must be the likely groom for the 1843 marriage. Perhaps, sadly, it was a very short one. He doesn't have a wife on the census.
It just might be possible that the marriage was at Wix?
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There was a lot of travel between Essex and the continent, has anyone noticed that Bardick’s wife Elizabeth was born in Germany?
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BRdock is baptised to bardock and Elizabeth Cole, Elizabeth 1836 (found her burial in little Oakley in 1839) and Elizabeth 1840 are to bardock and Elizabeth Rason (think it’s an R) alias Cole. Sarah 1844 and James 1852 are just bardock and Elizabeth Cole. So if, and I think it is an if, they did marry, it looks like before 1844. Have looked all over the area with no luck for a marriage.
1881 and 1891 census show Bardock b.1812 widowed living with daughter Sarah and her husband John Peck. Interestingly it is a Sarah Raison that married John Peck in 1865.
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Do you know where she married? If it’s essex I can look it up and see if it mentions her father.
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Do you know where she married? If it’s essex I can look it up and see if it mentions her father.
All I have is Tendering 4a 413, if that helps :)
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has anyone noticed that Bardick’s wife Elizabeth was born in Germany?
It's certainly another complication!
Another one?
Bardock the third is supposed to have been born in Wix, circa 1834.
In Wix there is this transcribed baptism, 30 June 1833
Bardock Lee
parents Bardock + Elizabeth
abode Wix
father a Labourer
There can't be many Bardocks about! And I don't see a connection to those Raison-Lee births later.
Very strange!
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Bardock was the son of another Bardock sometimes the name us written Bundock and other variations.
The first(?) Bardock Cole left a will.
Formerly of the parish of Wix, late of Little Oakley Essex, Labourer
Died 3 October 1866 Little Oakley
Proved at the Principal Registry (25 October) by the oath of Bardock Cole of Little Oakley, Labourer
Death, Dec 1866 Tendring 4a 159
Cole, Bundock
age 72
Perhaps the will contains some answers?
Can’t find the will on SEAX.
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All I have is Tendering 4a 413, if that helps :)
A number near the end again. Marriage Locator doesn't have it. The possibles seem to be Weeley, Wix, Wrabness, or Registrar's Book
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The marriage is on here!
http://essexandsuffolksurnames.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/wix_marriages_grooms_1813-1837.pdf
In Wix. 6 November 1832
Raisin - Grollin
and Grollin was the maiden name on the James Raison birth reg in 1852!
Grollin sounds German?
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The bundock birth in six in 1833 is to bundock and Elizabeth Cole.
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The bundock birth in six in 1833 is to bundock and Elizabeth Cole.
That makes sense, nannyj. Thank goodness you are able to look up the original records.
It seems to be coming together. I think! Bardock went by the names Raison and Cole, and he married Elizabeth Grollin in Wix (as Raisin) in 1832, then the son was baptized as Cole in Wix the following year.
John
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The bundock birth in six in 1833 is to bundock and Elizabeth Cole.
That makes sense, nannyj. Thank goodness you are able to look up the original records.
It seems to be coming together. I think! Bardock went by the names Raison and Cole, and he married Elizabeth Grollin in Wix (as Raisin) in 1832, then the son was baptized as Cole in Wix the following year.
John
I’ll try to find Sarah raisins marriage. Might have the fathers name.
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So it seems both Bardock's 1833 & 1812 went by the names Raison or Cole. If Bardock Cole b.1794 Wix (parents John/Mary Cole) is the first one then we are still looking for Bardock 1812 baptism which is possibly in his mother's name????
Wow this is tricky ::)
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The bundock birth in six in 1833 is to bundock and Elizabeth Cole.
That makes sense, nannyj. Thank goodness you are able to look up the original records.
It seems to be coming together. I think! Bardock went by the names Raison and Cole, and he married Elizabeth Grollin in Wix (as Raisin) in 1832, then the son was baptized as Cole in Wix the following year.
John
Why does the register for bundock junior’s baptism say the parents weren’t married, I wonder?
Can’t find Sarah raisin and John peck’s marriage on the actual registers as they’re not online 😩
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There is also a Bardock Cole marrying a Mary Cuthbert in 1843! Bardock is such an uncommon name this marriage must tie in somehow. ???
It would be interesting to know who he was. It's on the last page of marriages for Tendring that quarter (June), so even in 1843 it might not have been a parish church.
Raison birth registrations in Tendring. Are they connected? The only others in Tendring in the same period have mother's maiden name Lee. They do coincide with the baptisms nannyj found in the same quarters.
March 1840 vol 12 page 263
Raison, Eizabeth
mother ...en
(that's it!)
March 1844 12 279
Raisin, Sarah
mother Crowland
Dec 1852 4a 190
Raison, James
mother Grollin
Is it possible that 'Grollin' is a corruption or poor transcription of 'Crowland' ??? Can anyone trace an Elizabeth of either surname born in Germany?
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There is also a Bardock Cole marrying a Mary Cuthbert in 1843! Bardock is such an uncommon name this marriage must tie in somehow. ???
It would be interesting to know who he was. It's on the last page of marriages for Tendring that quarter (June), so even in 1843 it might not have been a parish church.
Raison birth registrations in Tendring. Are they connected? The only others in Tendring in the same period have mother's maiden name Lee. They do coincide with the baptisms nannyj found in the same quarters.
March 1840 vol 12 page 263
Raison, Eizabeth
mother ...en
(that's it!)
March 1844 12 279
Raisin, Sarah
mother Crowland
Dec 1852 4a 190
Raison, James
mother Grollin
Is it possible that 'Grollin' is a corruption or poor transcription of 'Crowland' ??? Can anyone trace an Elizabeth of either surname born in Germany?
Grollin is not a miss transcription, Elizabeth signed her name quite clearly.
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I believe my grt grandad John Cole married Elizabeth Marjoram in 1890 (3rd Qtr 4a 1255 Ipswich, Suffolk) If I've got it right his father was Bardock Cole (mother Hannah). My research suggests he was born George but appears on census etc as John. I'd appreciate a marriage look up to see if Bardock was his dad as I may be barking up the wrong tree. Thanks people :)