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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: Mk2_Zephyr on Saturday 04 June 05 14:28 BST (UK)
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Any information on the early life or parentage or area where he lived for this relative would be greatly appreciated.
I have his marriage and place of death, thanks. :)
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Seatter is a fairly common name on Westray (which is one of the northern isles of Orkney). There are also Seatters in the current phone book (its the Aberdeen, Orkney and Shetland volume) in other places of Orkney (including Sanday, South Ronaldsay, Longhope, etc) Can you give some more information about your William? Dates of birth and death might help (or approximate dates) and names of parents etc. The Orkney Library in Kirkwall has a lot of genealogical information if you can narrow things down a bit. ALso, many areas of Orkney have local Heritage Centres which are kind of like local history archives, but you'd need to know which area or island you wanted first.
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William Traill Seatter, b 1827, parents maybe William S and Lydia Ann Fleet.
William T Seatter married 1858, died 1890.
Farmed 257 acres at Saviskail.
It was more a general thing aimed at people on Orkney or from Orkney.
Thanks
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HI there ,
I have a james Logie, 1780 amrried to a Barbara Seater in Kirkwall.
I also have a Gilbert Traill Logie, 1802 born in Kirkwall married to Ann Swann or Swanny. Gilbert was a master booksellerand lived in Edinburgh .
Is there a connection.
Kind regrds,
Lynda
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Hi MK2,
Marriage ==11 January, 1821
William Seatter to Ann Flett
Evie and Rendall, Orkney
Trish
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Thank you for this..
regards,
Lynda :D
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BOOK;
Seatter Immigration from Orkney to New Zealand
by Gordon Seatter
Published by Westray Roots, May 1990, Oct.1990 and Feb 1991
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Thank you for this also.
regards,
Lynda :D
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Hi Lynda,
Late at night here in Australia, so have a little more POSSIBLE info for you.
Gilbet Logie,
parents James and Barbara Seatter, 30 May 1802
Other siblings;
Anne Robert Traill Logie( female) 11 July 1806
Elizabeth Craigie Logie, same parents, 8 August 1800.
Can explain where I got this from tomorrow when I am more Awake :) :)
trish
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Hi Trish,
Gilbert Logie is my husbands 2xgt grandfather, so any infrmation would be great. We have n contact with the Lgie family at all. Gilberts daughter Agnes married James Robertson in Edinburgh.
Many thanks,
Lynda ;D
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Hi all,
Thanks Trish, that book looks a go, have looked at the few Seatters in NZ and wondered,
Lindyloo, have vast Seatter, Flett paper record somewhere from 15 years ago when first working on this branch, will check soon.
The Shearers in this family also moved to Edinburgh.
:)
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As I said before,
I am mainly trying to find out what Saviskaill and life was like for my relllys, but all coms are welcome.
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Hi MK2 and Lynda,
I found lots of info on the Fletts, Traill and Seatter and associated families by just "googling";
william seatter + orkney
on the first page of entries that came up 2 in particular were informative;
www.cursiter.com
Genuki family records.
Heaps of info BMD and books.
Not ot found anything, unfortunately on Saviskail :(
Best of luck both of you.
Trish
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Hi MK2
Saiskaill could possibly be the name of a house/farm. Does not appear to be an area.
orkneyjar.com/links
skaill; meaning house or hall, found today as- skaill, eg Langskaill
Just a thought ;)
Trish ( another good site the orkneyjar one)
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The previous poster is right in that this is undoubtably the name of a farm or house. Even today, addresses in Orkney are house names (except for some in the main town of Kirkwall, or houses within newer housing estates). This does make life fun when trying to input them into standard government forms! So, it should be possible then to actually find your Saviskaill either on current or old maps of Orkney. I say 'should', because unfortunately there are often many houses of the same name in different areas of Orkney. If you can identify which area, or which island your ancestors came from then that will help. This link will get you to one possibility, but it may not be the only one. (it is the only one I can find at the moment though). It is on the north isle of Rousay, which is just a short ferry trip from mainland Orkney.
http://tinyurl.com/saviskaill
If you zoom in on the map at the point of Saviskaill bay you will get the house/farm identified.
For a bit more of a scenic view try this site:
http://www.aroundrousay.co.uk/saviskaill_bay.shtml
You will see on one of the photos here that Saviskaill farm is identified in the picture. This again 'may' be your farm, but may not, and even if it is the right location, the buildings will probably be a lot newer. There will almost certainly be remnants of old buildings on the site though, around the current buildings.
(BTW I live in Orkney, although I am a relatively recent immigrant to the islands and have no family heritage here)
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There have been quite a lot of local histories written about life in old Orkney. You might want to make an enquiry to www.orcadian.co.uk - this is our local newspaper, that also publishes local books and has an online bookshop. If you wanted advice on what books might be most useful, I'm sure you could email them with your requests.
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Excellent Corinne,
I'm sure that is the farm, the island of Rousay is mentioned in most of the records I have.
Thanks again.
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We've got your William T. Seatter. c. 26 August 1826 in Evie and Rendall
m. Jane Helen CHALMERS
d. 11 January 1890 of Cirrhosis of the Kidney at Rousay
Father: William Seatter (Farmer)
Mother: Lydia Ann FLETT
Your William T. Seatter is a brother of my 3x great grandfather James Seatter.
http://seatterflettdonaldson.tribalpages.com
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On 1861 census for Rousay. Saviskaill, William Seatter born Evie 34 head, Jane 25 wife born Perth and Frederick W B son aged 1 born Rousay
Saviskaill would be the name of the farm.
This is a site you might find interesting wwwrousayroots.com there is a map of Rousay with Saviskaill on it
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You probably have this but here goes! monumental inscription at corse, wasbister, rousay: ( granite stone built into wall) sacred to the memory of william traill seatter farmer saviskaill born august 22nd 1827 died 11 jan 1890
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Did you get his parents names from his death cert? if they are William and Lydia they are on the census info for Walkerhouse, Evie quite a big farm and had a large family
akc
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aye, the info is from his death certificate and yea lots of my seatters and fletts are of walkerhouse im evie.
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My great *5 grandmother was Jacobina Setter, born 1756. Parents William Setter and Barbara Hughison. Born Westray or Papa Westray. Children Elizabeth and Andrew Burgar. Husband William Burgar. Is there any connection?
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Hi Gypsy Scholar,
Jacobina SEATOR'S 1756 Westray Baptism has her Mother as Barbara HEWISON
She had these Siblings Baptised ;
JAMES 1759
BARBARA 1760
JEAN 1764
ANN 7 Setter March 1767 * Father William as Setter
WILLIAM 11 May 1769
CHARLES 30 May 1771
JOHN 1775
Parents William SEATOR//Barbara HEWISON
(only year given for 5 Childrens Baptisms, only Ann has Father as Setter not Seator)
(Source FreeREG)
As Mk2_Zephyr said earlier he has a "vast Seatter, Flett paper record somewhere from 15 years ago when first working on this branch"
Trish :)
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There may be a connection if Barbara 1760 married late in life age 30.
Marriage;
18 June 1790, Kirkwall Church
James LOGIE to Barbara SEATER
As I posted years age for Lynda;
Gilbert Logie, 30 May 1802
Anne Robert Traill Logie( female) 11 July 1806
Elizabeth Craigie Logie, same parents, 8 August 1800.
Earlier Children were;
James Logie 1793, Birth 15 Dec 1792
Robert Logie, 27 Feb 1795, birth 18 Feb
Elizabeth Logie, 27 Nov 1797, birth 21 Oct
Father is JAMES Logie and Mother as Barbara Seater/Sealer/Seator/Seale
Some have Fathers Occp as Mariner which seems to match various spellings of Barbaras maiden name.
Also the Witnesses to the Baptism of Anne Robert Traille Logie 1806 were Miss Anne Traill and Mr Robert Traill.
All above FreeREG
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An(n) TRAILL married John MITCHEL, Occp Writer, 29 Aug 1807 Kirkwall
Her Parish was Westray
Witnesses, George Groat/George Traill
Interesting notes;
Groom and bride prefixed 'Mr' & 'Miss', first witness 'Dr'. Bride 'daughter of Thomas Traill Esquire of Holland'. Second witness name followed by 'Esquire Junior of Holland'.
(FreeREG)
Did a bit of googling;
21. George.Traill of Holland, b. 8th December,
1773 m. 6th January, 1820, Mary, second
daughter of William Swan, Esq. of Ayre ;
made Burgess of Kirkwall, by order of
Council, of date 1st December, 1808.
21. Isabel Traill, b. 29th September, 1763; m. 6th
December, 1786, Rev. William Clouston.
21. Jean Traill, b. 19th February, 1767; m. June,
1802, Dr. Robert Groat.
21. Margaret Traill, b. 23rd November, 1770 ;
m. 30th November, 1816, Rev. John Simp-
son. She d. 1st August, 1856.
21. Anne Traill, b. 13th July, 1776; m. John
Mitchell.********
Also;
PARENT (M) Thomas Traill of Holland
Birth 1728
Death 3 JUL 1813
Marriage 4 JAN 1757 to Ann Stewart
Father George Traill
Mother Jean Traill
Goes on to list Children above;
http://thetraills.co.uk/?page_id=677
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Thank you. That's really intriguing as I already thought there was a link later on. It's interesting to see the link begins much earlier with this family.
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Interesting read folks "The Little General & the Rousay Crofters" being the story of the martinet laird, Traill Burroughs, & his poor relations with the tenants. The crofters tenure was protected by a law opposed by the laird who thought he was dealing with the natives back in India, while the farmers had no rights beyond the terms of their lease. Edwin Muir's father was cleared, for example.
Skoosh.
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The Traill family are my ancestors, I found this book quite interesting
https://archive.org/stream/agenealogicalac00unkngoog#page/n38/mode/2up
claire
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Here's a link to a bit of history on Saviskaill. http://rousayremembered.moonfruit.com/saviskaill/4589645396
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Excellent, skyran .... :)
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Hello everyone. If I can I might piggyback my query onto here as the Traill name features in my offshoot family
My GGGgrandmothers sister married a William Traill McLean and they lived in Midlothian before emigrating to Australia with children and sisters in tow. The 1851 census notes birth in Orkney so I am comfortable of the right one
Researching WT I find a birth for him in Kirkwall as was his brother. His parents , John and Margaret nee Holland were married in Kirkwall in 1818. I cant find a corresponding birth for Margaret or John in the area. Using naming patterns I may have found John born in Edinburgh but nothing of Margaret in Kirkwall
1. Is there a connection to the Traill family?
2. Is there a reason for ''outsiders'' to travel to Orkney then return to the ''mainland'' ?
3. Is there a connection to the Holland family in Orkney and is Margaret not her birth name?
If this needs to be separated then please do so :)
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There are 3 births for Margaret Holland between 1781 - 1785 in Firth and Stenness, which is not far from Kirkwall ( she may not have been born in Kirkwall ), it was very common for Orkney folk to end up in Midlothian, and vice versa, usually by boat down the East coast. Traill was a common middle name ( usually after the local laird or landowner ) The Orkney Family History Society would be a good place to start, they have a treasure trove of information and not expensive to join.
www.orkneyfhs.co.uk
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There are 3 births for Margaret Holland between 1781 - 1785 in Firth and Stenness, which is not far from Kirkwall ( she may not have been born in Kirkwall ), it was very common for Orkney folk to end up in Midlothian, and vice versa, usually by boat down the East coast. Traill was a common middle name ( usually after the local laird or landowner ) The Orkney Family History Society would be a good place to start, they have a treasure trove of information and not expensive to join.
www.orkneyfhs.co.uk
Thank you very much for that further information . That gives me a wider scope .
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Traill was a common middle name ( usually after the local laird or landowner )
Yeah this seems to be the reality.
Have not worked on the branch for a while.
Yeah, a couple of our Seatters and Shearers moved from Orkney to Edinburgh.