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Hello,
I am new to genealogy and would appreciate any help trying to trace my Grandfathers family.
His name was Michael Farrell and lived in Bride Street, Wexford town. I think the family at 20 Bride street in the 1911 census are his but he left home and moved to Liverpool before the census.
I believe he was born in 1893 and he had another sister known as Cissy?
I cant trace the family in the 1901 census and would appreciate any help or guidance from here.
Thank you.
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Do you have details of Michael's marriage ?
A cert should show you his father's name and occupation and probably help to establish a link to he correct family on the census.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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that family in 1911 for reference :
Farrell household, Bride St. (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/696901/)
a possible match for them as Farell in 1901 :
Farell household, Furlongs Lane (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Furlongs_Lane/1807400/)
father Patrick is not present but some of the other details match up. Included in the 1901 listing is a son Michael age 8, so born c1893.
p.s. haven't found exactly where Furlong's Lane is located, but it appears to be somewhere close to Bride St. as it's in the same civil parish i.e. St. Mary's.
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
He was married in Liverpool. The certificate says father is Patrick Farrell, a Dock Labourer.
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Shane,
That looks like the correct family in Furlongs lane.
It answers the sister question too.
I think I need to look for the marriage of Patrick and Mary next.
Thanks
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Thanks Shane,
He was married in Liverpool. The certificate says father is Patrick Farrell, a Dock Labourer.
that family at Bride St./Furlongs' Lane definitely a good match then
I dont see a good match for Patrick & Mary's marriage yet... there is a Patrick Farrell marriage in 1890, but no cross-match to a Mary that I can see.
Might be worth starting with a birth cert for one of the children to establish Mary's maiden name. The younger children, especially those with less common names usually give better matches - in this case just one likely match for one of Michael's younger sisters on the BMD Index :
Name: Johanna Farrell
Registration district: Wexford
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1903
Volume : 4 / Page : 679
A birth cert from the GRO would show the full details and allow you to check parent's names, father's occupation etc. Mary's maiden name should help the search for her marriage
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Shane
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Many thanks for your help
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that family in 1911 for reference :
Farrell household, Bride St. (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/696901/)
a possible match for them as Farell in 1901 :
Farell household, Furlongs Lane (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Furlongs_Lane/1807400/)
p.s. haven't found exactly where Furlong's Lane is located, but it appears to be somewhere close to Bride St. as it's in the same civil parish i.e. St. Mary's.
I’m pretty certain that Furlongs Lane was off of Lower Bride Street leading up to the outer wall of St Mary’s Grave yard.
The old OSI map (extract below) shows a lane with a covered entrance leading off of from Bride Street (between the two E’s of the word STREET) about six houses down from the junction with Clifford Street.
There would appear to be approx 9 – 10 buildings off of this lane and the 1901 census does in fact record 10 dwellings:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001302859/
The scene today still shows a covered entrance about six houses down from the junction – the entrance though is now gated.
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Name: Johanna Farrell
Registration district: Wexford
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1903
Volume : 4 / Page : 679
Johanna was born on 1st April 1903 & was baptised the following day. She went on to marry twice, to Michael Murphy William St in 1919 and Joseph Browne Charlotte St in 1927.
Michael Farrell was born & baptised on 8 August 1893.
Mother's maiden name looks like Berry.
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When Johanna married in 1919 the family were still living in Bride Street. Patrick Farrell (her Brother most likely) was a witness.
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The Farrell family were still associated with Bride Street when Johanna married for the second time in 1927.
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Wow, many thanks Shorts :) :)
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James Farrell was born on 14 December 1899 & baptised the following day. He later married Mary Fortune in 1924.
I've just noticed that My grandfather (Thomas Dalton born in Sept 1900) was living just 2 houses away from the Farrell family in Bride Street at the time of the 1911 census so he & James would probably have been childhood friends!
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Many thanks Shorts. Many of Michael Farrell's Liverpool born children were evacuated to Bride street during WW2. Familiar names keep cropping up. It would be spooky if you had a Dalton & Keogh marriage in Liverpool in your tree.
I have been looking on Ancestry for a possible marriage for Mary Berry and Patrick Farrell.
Mary Berry Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 728
Patrick Farrell Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 428.
With different page numbers, is it likely that I have the wrong people ?
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No, there's no connection with Liverpool that I know of.
It would appear that the page number may be a typo. Patrick Farrell & Mary Berry were married on 30 June 1890 (although it states in the 1911 census that they'd been married 17 rather than 20 years!)
Mary (Kate) Farrell, their eldest child - aged 9 in the 1901 census, was born & Baptised on 12 January 1892.
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Many thanks again Shorts. I will order the certificate.
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Hello again Shorts,
Just looking at the above marriage that you posted for James Farrell and Mary Fortune.
Do you know where in the town that lane is where Mary is living as cant seem to find it?
Still struggling to trace anyone in Wexford but have managed to extend to present day with the Johanna Farrell marriage that you helped with. I think Catherine married Matthew Morris and had a few children, some of them trained in Manchester but no luck yet.
Thanks in advance
Shaun
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Hello again Shorts,
Just looking at the above marriage that you posted for James Farrell and Mary Fortune.
Do you know where in the town that lane is where Mary is living as cant seem to find it?
You mean Byrne's Lane? Located between The Faythe and William St. ( or is it Trinity St?). It is officially called Fishers Row - the latter certainly shows on maps of Wexford if you search. There are even photos here in the Wexford forum, if you search here.
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Much appreciated Wexflyer. Thank you
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Can anyone help me with a marriage and subsequent birth please.
In the 1901 census, looking at Furlongs lane Wexford urban no2 at house no 7.
Here we have my great great grandfather Michael and his daughter and granddaughter. I'm searching for Kate's (Catherine) marriage to Mahony and also her daughters marriage but struggling to find anything. Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
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Hello,
Can anyone tell me where to find the Wexford town workhouse in the 1901/1911 census?
Many thanks
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And the Prison aswell?
Many thanks
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Hello,
Can anyone tell me where to find the Wexford town workhouse in the 1901/1911 census?
Many thanks
1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Rural/Carricklawn/1804727/
1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_Rural/Carricklawn/695846/
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And the Prison aswell?
Many thanks
1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban/Spawell_Road/1806143/
1911 (now an 'Inebriates Reformatory for Females'):
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__3_Urban/Spawell_Road/697889/
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Many thanks Gaffy
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People in institutions (boarding schools, hospitals, gaols, barracks, etc.) should be listed by initials only but gaffy has found the links for you :)
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Thanks,
In 1911 census, Patrick Farrell is at 20 Bride street Wexford as Head. In 1901, the family are in Furlongs lane but he is missing. He doesn't appear to be in the workhouse or prison either. The search continues...
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Thanks,
In 1911 census, Patrick Farrell is at 20 Bride street Wexford as Head. In 1901, the family are in Furlongs lane but he is missing. ... The search continues...
Could easily have been at sea, having fun with the Boers in South Africa, in the navy, or army, working in England, etc.
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Many thanks Shorts. Many of Michael Farrell's Liverpool born children were evacuated to Bride street during WW2. Familiar names keep cropping up. It would be spooky if you had a Dalton & Keogh marriage in Liverpool in your tree.
I have been looking on Ancestry for a possible marriage for Mary Berry and Patrick Farrell.
Mary Berry Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 728
Patrick Farrell Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 428.
With different page numbers, is it likely that I have the wrong people ?
300 hundred pages seems a huge number within a quarter,my feeling is 4 or 7 was transcribed in error
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Have a look at the third marriage on this page
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iz7/
Edited to add
The first marriage on that page appears on the index
but John Doran to Kate Berry does not appear either
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Berry's
Mary ? born Grogans Road 1869
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03381/2239846.pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iz8/
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Anne Berry born 1883 Bride St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02699/1994181.pdf
1901 age 16
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No__2/Bride_Street__contd__/1807368/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/696911/
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possible marriage for Annie 1909 to David Davis
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10038/5651612.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/696688/
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Michael and Mary Ellen Sinnott 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10012/5641492.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Bride_Street__part_of/696903/
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Amazing help as always.
Thanks everyone.
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Many thanks Shorts. Many of Michael Farrell's Liverpool born children were evacuated to Bride street during WW2. Familiar names keep cropping up. It would be spooky if you had a Dalton & Keogh marriage in Liverpool in your tree.
I have been looking on Ancestry for a possible marriage for Mary Berry and Patrick Farrell.
Mary Berry Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 728
Patrick Farrell Wexford Apr/May Jun 1890 Vol 4 Page 428.
With different page numbers, is it likely that I have the wrong people ?
300 hundred pages seems a huge number within a quarter,my feeling is 4 or 7 was transcribed in error
Just to add that I would agree that this has to be a transcription error - Wexford Registration District/Union entries are grouped together in any given quarter/book, so "Wexford" registrations are never separated by 300 pages. [But note that other registration districts in Co. Wexford, such as Enniscorthy and New Ross, can be separated by 300 pages from "Wexford" entries.]
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Can anyone help me read the address of Kathleen Morris, witness to the death of Joseph Lane, third from bottom?
Thanks
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1943/04668/4243301.pdf
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Dolphin Road ?
http://propertypriceregisterireland.com/details/6_dolphin_road_co_wexford_ireland-43351/
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Thanks Dathai, that makes sense.
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In 1911, property 20 Bride street. John Farrell is 15. He married Mary Agnes Mcnulty in 1923. Then disappears. Cant find a death. Remaining family is Wexford don't remember him. Cant find kids either.
Any ideas? Thanks
Also have another John Farrell born in 1910. a possible brother. Not on 1911 census though. This John Marries Mary Jane Thomas in the 1930's. Also disappears, family don't remember him?????
Stuck for the moment...
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In 1911, property 20 Bride street. John Farrell is 15. He married Mary Agnes Mcnulty in 1923. Then disappears. Cant find a death. Remaining family is Wexford don't remember him. Cant find kids either.
Any ideas? Thanks
Also have another John Farrell born in 1910. a possible brother. Not on 1911 census though. This John Marries Mary Jane Thomas in the 1930's. Also disappears, family don't remember him?????
Stuck for the moment...
A comment and a question.
First, having two brothers of the same name (John) alive at the same time is something that just did not happen. One of these two is not yours - and maybe both, or course.
Second, how did you search for children?
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I searched for Farrell births on Irish Genealogy site. Looking for Farrell births with Patrick as father and Mary Berry as mother. Living at either Furlongs lane or Bride street.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02202/1832241.pdf
This is the other John but cant find his birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1933/08977/5249301.pdf
However, there is a possibility that I am confusing this birth on Stonebridge lane for the marriage above. John Joseph born 1909.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01599/1642834.pdf
I am not surprised by some kids in the same family having the same first name though. There is a Fortune family in Wexford where all the daughters are called Mary but known by their middle names.
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I searched for Farrell births on Irish Genealogy site.....
But you were looking for children born to a couple who were married in 1923. As there are no birth entries for the years after 1916, you are of course not going to find any.
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But why have people looking for what has already been found years ago??
Wasting people's time?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=801075.0
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I didnt know that births only went up to 1916.
Apologies
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Johanna was my grandmother by her second marriage to Joseph Browne who died in London about 1949. She was also known as Cissy by her family as she had a number of brothers.
The actual family home seems to have been knocked down at some stage because we took my father to Wexford and he couldn't see it though he recalled the street. We chatted to an old guy who remembered the family and confirmed that some houses had gone. I know a lot of the family served in the military and that movement back and forth to Liverpool was frequent. Others went to London and I think there was an Aunty in Southend.
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Send me a message please as I think your Dad Gerald and my Dad were cousins.
Thanks.
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Thanks for that. I have sent an email to you and am interested in what you know.
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Johanna was my grandmother by her second marriage to Joseph Browne who died in London about 1949. She was also known as Cissy by her family as she had a number of brothers.
Janis,
Johanna is my great-grandmother by her first marriage to Michael Murphy, her daughter Mary Murphy being my grandmother.
I don't suppose you have any information about what happened to Michael Murphy? He would have died some time between 1922 and 1927 but I'm struggling to find any death records!
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Fantastic, I knew Aunty Mary and loved her very much. She died when I was about 10; Dad was devastated by it. I was rather hoping to find out more about her and the Murphy side of the family. Theresa and Jean spent time with us as children and I have photos of Theresa as a young woman. I can certainly point you in the direction you are looking for. Can you contact me via another of our cousins, Shaun Farrell who will be contacting you later? He'll pass on my details. He can tell you about Michael Murphy, but I can also tell you the story about that and how Johanna married Joseph Browne.
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I have a message from Shaun, I'll send an email shortly.
Theresa is my mother, sadly Jean died 3 years ago but Mary's boys Michael, Ronnie and Jerry are still going strong.
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AndreaG. I tried to send a personal message about Michael Murphy as I have his death certificate here, but the website is telling me that your inbox is full. Could you try and pm me with your details as I would like to know more about my father's siblings and can tell you something of Johanna's life. Many thanks indeed.
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Janis, I've sent you an email, it has come from my gmail account.
Shaun, thank you for the information in your private message.