RootsChat.Com
Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: gimmeatooheys on Monday 11 February 13 09:57 GMT (UK)
-
Hi All
I am researching John James who was born in Carew in Pembrokeshire to Thomas James and Martha Phillips. According to his burial record, he died as a result of the Blenheim/Great Eastern shipping accident in Feb 1862.
1, Could someone please confirm the date of the accident.
2, I can not be sure that it was my John James who was in this accident (although I doubt there were two accidents involving the Blenheim and Great Eastern). Are there any records online that could assist. I live in Australia so I can not go to any of the Archives. I have checked the newspapers but neither of the two that drowned in the accident were named in any of the newspaper articles. Would there be some sort of memorial near Milford Haven/Neyland of the accident.
3, The accident was in February and yet John wasn't buried until April. I presume that his body may not have been found until later, not sure where I might find something about this.
Thanks
Kelly
-
Could there be some misunderstanding here? H.M.S. Blenheim was a hulk moored up at Milford and used for storage and barracks.
Two members that I know of who died aboard the Blenheim come from my database on Pembrokeshire Military related Headstones covering the period 1714 to 2010.
+ Able seaman William Allen aged 33 was killed when he fell from aloft of HMS Blenheim 1st May 1863.
+ Paymaster Royal Navy William Ellis who died 08th Jul 1861.
HMS Blenheim was a 3rd Rate with 74 Guns, crew of 590 laid down probably in 1806 served China 1841, broken up 1865.
Great Eastern was ofcourse the idea of I.K. Brunel with Milford being the terminus for New York, an idea that never took off due to his insistence on the wide gauge rails.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
-
The Burial record clearly states that he was a Sailor on board the HMS Blenheim and that he was buried in April 1862. Some of the words are unreadable but it definitely states that his death had something to do with "a boat" and the "Great Eastern". I am aware in Feb 1862 that there was an incident involving the Blenheim and the Great Eastern where there were 12 men on a boat assisting the Great Eastern who had to jump overboard and 2 were drowned.
-
At the time of his death HMS Blenheim was the HQ vessel for the Milford Coastguard District. I've checked the CG ship's record book (ADM 175/62) and he was not a CG at the time, so he must have been one of the standing crew. I'm afraid the only way to confirm this is to search the Ship's Description Book at the National Archives (ADM 38/7654). These are so large that the price for a copy would be prohibitive.
If you could find him, this would not only provide a physical description, but also give a list of his previous ships. Additionally if he was discharged dead (DD) this would provide a date for his death, and a check of the Ship's Log might give more information.
Finally if you have a date of birth it would be worth checking the on line Continuous Service Records for naval ratings http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/royal-naval-seamen.htm)
Martin
-
Thanks Martin. I am home so I had another look at the burial record. He was buried on the 7th April 1862 at Hubberston. The ceremony was performed by the Chaplain of the HMS Blenheim, the surname is difficult to read but it looks like John W Bursell, Bushell or something similar. John's occupation was described as a "Sailor of the HMS Blenheim". According to the 1861 Census, he was a Seaman (Merchant), along with his brothers Thomas and George; his father Thomas was a Master Mariner.
According to his burial record, the cause of death, which is also difficult to read, reads something like "Killed by a (unreadable) setting of a boat by the Great Eastern". The word "setting" may not be correct.
I am still looking, I am hoping that the Pembroke newspapers that come online in the future might also provide some answers!!!
Kelly
-
Kelly
According to the 1861 Navy List the Chaplain was the Rev John W Bussell BA, who was appointed to Blenheim on 3 August 1861.
Martin
-
Thank you Martin for his correct name!!
-
With all that info, I can add another entry to my Military database.
Since I have already searched Hubberston Churchyard, I can confirm that his headstone does not survive, although I do have military related headstones from this churchyard from 1782 to 1953.
Rgds
Owen Ap Benfro
-
Kelly
There are reports of the accident on the British Newspaper Archive site. It's a subscription site, though you can see a bit of each article for free.
Drosybont
-
Hi, I'm interested in the Blenheim. I have an Alfred George ROBERTS (b.1841) who served as a clerk on this ship, 18 May 1864 – 18 September 1864. His naval record ends here with the comment ‘D?[ischarged?] Service own reqt 12 Sept 64 to avoid court martial’. I'd like to know what he did to be discharged like this. Wondered if you had any clues? I've searched through The Times and 19thC papers online but can only find the appointment of Edward S. Peach as clerk to the Blenheim, 14 September 1864. No ref to Roberts.
-
I know that this is an old post, but during my research into a sailor on HMS Blenhein I came across this by the Pembroke Historical Society
During the latter months of 1861 repairs were carried out at Milford. These included the replacement of fittings and furniture demolished in the gale, while saloons and berths were rearranged and put in order.57 The principal repairs were new paddlewheels, rudder head and sailing gear. One of the principal contracts was awarded to James Gaddarn of Neyland that ‘spirited s hipbuilder’ 58 to build a large coffer-dam in order to facilitate repairs to the sternpost and rudder. This work required all the men in his employ.
On Sunday 16 February 1862 an attempt was made to berth the Great Eastern on the gridiron. The attempt ended in disaster. Assisted by three steam tugs, she rounded the Wear Point but during the operation the snapping of a hawser drew into the screw of the Great Eastern a boat containing men belonging to HMS Blenheim. Thirteen men threw themselves into the water, the remaining were ‘rapidly sucked into the maelstrom of waters formed by the screw revolution.’ 59 Two men were drowned, Thomas James of Milford and a boy named Kinston, a native of Ireland. To compound the horror, the Great Eastern struck HMS Blenheim carrying away her bow sprit, jib-boom and foreyard. The damage was estimated at £350.60 The 60-gun screw ship of 1,822 tons, guardship in the Haven and commanded by Lord Frederick Kerr had sustained considerable damage.