There is also this death
William James died 1860 age 70 days
Birth Place Coburg
If you want more details on these, just ask :D
Raylen
William James died 1860 age 70 days
Birth Place Coburg
From the Victorian index-
LANDELLS William James
Father James
Mother Sarah SINGLETON
Age 70D
Birth Place:VICTORIA
Year: 1860
Reg Number 853
A small difference, but these things can be important sometimes :D
I cannot explain why your source/reference is different, Raylen, unless it is from a published tree somewhere.
Sue
No other source or reference Sue, just my error ::)
Raylen
Marriage for James and Sarah
1858 Victoria, #4370
James Douglas LANDELLS m Sarah SINGLETON
Edit to add - not sure about the death below. See the TROVE funeral notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9558854
I think this is Sarah's death, because of the place of death. There is another LANDELLS family in Geelong at the same time with some of the same names - perhaps related?
Victoria 1900 #12403
Sarah LANDELLS, 56
Died at Coburg, Victoria
Judith
Thanks Geordie daughter. I have a bit of info re Adam, but I would like to know what his movements were after coming into Adelaide and marrying Elizabeth Dibbs.
And how many children were with Adam after Margaret died on the voyage?
From what I know from my mother's family Adam James Douglas Landells and Edward George Landells were twins. I actually have them down on our family records. They were born on 24 March 1876 in Coburg, Victoria.
DEATHS
LANDELLS.-On the 15th April, at his son's residence, Bacchus Marsh, James Douglas, beloved father of Janie,Mary, Grace, James, William, Annie, David, Edward, John and Harry, aged 77 years. A respected resident of Coburg for many years. A colonist of 64 years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577709
His obit:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577711
Debra :)
westernwombat
The hand-written list does not include 3 of the children that I have on my data, for James Douglas Landells + Jane Singleton.
This is the correlation I can give -
william james 3 jan 1860 <-- william dead
jane 31 aug 1861 <-- jane 17 years Jane
mary margaret 24 nov 1863 <-- mary ? 14 years Mary
grace douglas 19 jul 1866 <-- grace 12 years Grace -Mrs WALLER
adam james 31 jan 1868 <-- james 10 years Adam James
william george 25 dec 1869 <-- william 8 years William George.
annie ada 1 jan 1872 <-- annie 6 years Annie
david henry 19 jan 1874 <-- david 4 years Dave
edward george 24 mar 1876
adam james douglass 24 mar 1876 <-- adam james 2 years Edward
john dallawell 5 aug 1877 Jack
henry hunter 7 jan 1882 Harry
Hi there westernwombat,#36 - I think the photo is genuine
May I ask for your comments re replies #31 to 36 .....
JM
Why do you ask?Why not....we are all attempting to help and that's what we do on here on rootschat.
Edward appears to be dressed differently and of an earlier era. Has his photo been added? Something doesn't look right to me but I'm certainly no expert when it comes to photography.
Cando
I'd dearly love to know why he ended up in South Africa, but unless he left under a cloud, and the fact was locally reported, I guess I'll never find out.
... Why do you ask?
And in the Coburg Leader Edward LANDELLS, a telegraph messenger, a witness at an enquiry into a death in 1892.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66899821
Cando
James and Sarah LANDELLS lived at Coburg and then by 1919 were in Ouyen where he was still James and 1926 enrolled to vote as Adam James living on a 'block' at Red Cliffs where he died. Possibly the person accepting his enrolment at Red Cliffs asked the 'right' questions eg your full name.
Cando
What a confusing family they've turned out to be. At least you've found solid evidence that Edward was officially listed as one of James and Sarah's children and that he was born in 1876, Cando, for which many thanks! Hopefully this will help present and future Landells family researchers, too. The existence of Adam James Douglas Landells remains a mystery for the meantime.
Judith, thank you for Sarah's birth entries - somewhere along the line I'd come across a birthdate and place of 11 December 1841, Coburg, Victoria, for her (which clearly differs from the birth registration info you've given me), but no details of her parents. The entries appear to back up her being named Sarah Jane Singleton, hence her being referred to as either Sarah or Jane depending on the source.
Sarah Jane SINGLETON
born 11 Dec 1842 Coburg -- this would require registration in 1843
died 7 Oct 1900
Sarah Jane SINGLETON
born 11 Dec 1842 Coburg -- this would require registration in 1843
died 7 Oct 1900
Victoria, Australia, Cemetery Records and Headstone Transcriptions, 1844-1997 has this:
Cemetery: Melbourne, section K, Grave Number 349, Religion C-E
Sacred to the memory of Jane SINGLETON died 19 Aug 1860 age 48 yrs
Ralph SINGLETON died 10 Mar 1862 age 51 yrs
also their children Mary Ann died 2 Apr 1855 age 2 yrs
George died 13 Jun 1862, age 22 yrs.
Goodness me - there are some on-line trees with some very suspicious information. ::)
Judith
Thanks to all of you who have gone to the time and trouble to dig up the info on Sarah and her parents. I suspect I am going to be kept extremely busy on the Landells/Singleton/Cutting lines over the next couple of weeks!
Hi WesternwombatThank you for the reply, RDConradie.
I apparently will need to reply to your message on the public notice board because I am a new member-I actually came upon these posts by chance and I must say it makes interesting reading! I am only related to Edward (as we know him) through his marriage to Elizabeth, but I am therefore related to his 4 children and all of the Cuttings. Elizabeth was my great grandmother Vera's sister, although for some reason I did not have her as a definite sibling until a week ago and some sleuthing. I had to rely on my mother's not-so-good memory (she is 81 and in the beginning stages of dementia), but I do have Edward and his 2 oldest children's birthdays annotated in a birthday book which belonged to another sister, Lily and was passed to my grandmother. And they also appear in my grandmother's birthday book so she must have known them. Elizabeth's parents were Thomas Henry Cutting(b1860) and Elizabeth nee Ingham(b c 1860). Thomas owned a construction company in Muizenberg and built many of the dressed stone buildings thereabout, but prior to that he and his father (William Thomas) owned the omnibus company that ferried people from Cape Town to the Southern Peninsular prior to the railways being established. William Thomas grandfather, William was one of the first British Settlers to the Cape, arriving with the first party in Cape Town, prior to the (famous)1820 Settler parties to the Eastern Cape. William(PROG)'s wife was the daughter of a retired soldier, Robert Cooper. While I am in contact with a couple of Cutting descendants, as yet I have not been able to make contact with any with either the surname Cutting or Landells.
Hi Westernwombat. There is the discrepancy between the fist listed children and the later ones which I need to research further, but I do know that the Landells are relatives because of the birthday book and Elizabeth's neice (Thomas' daughter, Beth) confirms this. I do have the D/N for Elizabeth's mother-also Elizabeth. She was staying with her daughter Hilda Orchard at the time and it us also on this D/N that Elizabeth Landells is listed as Hilda's sister.
Hi! Westerwombat. yr post #94-I have seen the marriage of Elizabeth and Edward. It was in 1900. He was noted as 24 and she as 20, and her parents gave permission for her marriage. I think a James Landell was a witness and also a Cutting lady. Apparently Catharina (anicalouw) has noted a death (D/N?) for Edward-she states he died in Kalk Bay and is buried at the Methodist Church. I haven't looked for it yet.