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William Morley was born 20 Apr 1854 in Booborowie to James and Mary (nee Swan).
In 1877 he married Mary Ann LOCKYER (not sure exactly when or where).
They had 9 children. I have plenty of info on them. Then I presume Mary died but I can't find any evidence of that.
On 18 June 1919 at Quorn Bill married Emma ASHLEY (fmly GEORGE, nee HART). She died in 1922 and he in 1931.
What I am really after is information on Bill's parents and brothers and sisters. I believe he had at least 2 brothers: James and Samuel. And 1 sister, Susan. I think Samuel was working at Mount Eba in the 1890's (so was Emma Ashley's previous husband, Henry).
Blake
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In 1872 he married Mary Ann LOCKYER (not sure exactly when or where).
Marriage:
MORLEY William single, 23yrs m. LOCKYER Marianne single, 19yrs 01/01/1877
Place: [unrecorded] Baratta; District: Fro; Book/Page: 110/124
Groom's Father: James MORLEY
Bride's Father: George LOCKYER
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Thankyou, yes 1877 is right I don't know where 1872 came from ???
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A James MORLEY arrived in South Australia on board the Himalaya on 17th September 1849.
There are references on Trove Newspapers to unclaimed letters to 1854, and property being purchased from him near Port Augusta in 1860.
Dee :)
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Death of Mary MORLEY…..beloved wife of James......at Booborowie.....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43010344
This one's even better....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/92254524
It asks Norfolk papers to copy. :D
Dee :)
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Hi,
1901 SA Brands Directory has a Samuel Morley licenced for brand 9S8 at Wirraminni Station NW of Port Augusta.
Gerry
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Hi,
1901 SA Brands Directory has a James Morley licenced (No 2563) brand 4J8 Wirraminni NW of Port Augusta.
Gerry
Note, Licence No 2562 was issued to Samuel Morley (previous post)
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Actual Death registration of Mary MORLEY……
Mary MORLEY aged 52 who lived near Booborowie, wife of J MORLEY, died 8th December 1876 near Booborowie.
Ref = Bur 77/328
Dee :)
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There is a James Morley buried at Pt Augusta Cemetery - 19th Apr 1902 age 45 years.
Cheers, Chris.
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Also found Samuel Morley at Pt Augusta Cemetery: Date of burial 2nd Jun 1916 aged 69 years.
Cheers, Chris
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There is also a John and an Elizabeth Anna Morley. I think they are all tied up.
So Norfolk may be where they came from.
That may be my James' immigration, but I think he married Mary in England. However I don't know where that thought has come from.
Blake
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Blake, there are a number of James MORLEYs baptised in Norfolk on FreeReg in the right period of time, but no marriage that I could see. :-\
I couldn't see a baptism for a Mary SWAN(N) though.
Dee :)
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Here’s the death entry for the James MORLEY found in the Port Augusta Cemetery…..
James MORLEY aged 45 of Woolshed Flat died 18th April 1902 at Port Augusta.
Ref = Fro H 285/236
And for the Samuel MORLEY….
Samuel MORLEY aged 69 of Gordon died 1st June 1916 at Port Augusta
Ref = Fro H 401/527
It states he was single, for what that is worth.
No relative listed for either of the MORLEYs. :-\
Dee :)
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Marriage:
Susan Ann Morley to Joseph Henry Bacon on 24 Jan 1883 at BC Manse Pt Augusta. Dist Fro 134/361. He was 24 & Father William Pampiel Bacon. She was 22 & father James Morley.
Cheers, Chris.
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What about the John MORLEY buried at Pt Augusta? He died in 1919. It think the Elizabeth Anna MORLEY buried there as well was his wife. There was a John Morley who married a Elizabeth Hannah ROWE in 1907.
Blake
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Here's that marriage....
John MORLEY aged 63 and widowed married Elizabeth Hannah ROWE aged 53 and widowed on 26th August 1907 at the residence of Mrs W McDowell, Port Augusta.
Fathers = James MORLEY & James BERRYMAN
Ref = Fro 232/979
There are other marriages with James MORLEY as father but not in that area, and there were other James MORLEYs. :-\
And unfortunately, the Biographical Index of South Australians reveals nothing. :(
Dee :)
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Ok. Well that leaves us with very little else to go on. I can't find much in Trove.
I wonder what happened to James (the father) he seems to have disappeared.
Blake
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Elizabeth Anne's death.....
Elizabeth Anna MORLEY aged 88 of Port Augusta and widow of John MORLEY died 16th May 1937 at Port Augusta.
Ref = Fro H 590/1830
You're right, Blake....there's remarkably little in Trove Newspapers. :-\
Dee :)
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Thanks.
This whole part of the family have remarkably little to find in newspapers. It makes them really hard to find dates and stuff, they rarely even put in family notices.
Blake
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One of these days something may pop up in the records, Blake. I waited 18 years to break down one of my brick walls. ::) ;D
Could this be a possible death for James? He’d be about the right age…..even if that is accurate.
James MORLEY aged 79 of Adelaide died 2nd October 1903 at Adelaide
No relatives listed.
Ref = Ade S 297/308
Dee :)
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That could be his death.
What about the death of John in 1919?
Blake
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Here's the 1919 death for John.....
John MORLEY aged 77 and single of Davenport died 10th December 1919 at Davenport.
No relatives listed.
Ref = Fro 434/4
If his age is correct, that means a birth of about 1847, which could fit.
I've also found that the passenger list for the James MORLEY who arrived on the Himalaya has him aged 50, a labourer, from Surrey. :-\
Dee :)
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The James Morley who died in 1903 is buried at West Terrace Cemetery. Search here:
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Home.aspx
and have a look at the site record.
Cheers, Chris.
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Thanks.
John was the one who we know did marry though, isn't it.
However, I did look and John and Elizabeth aren't buried in plots near each other.
Blake
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have a look at the site record.
That is a really odd plot. Six seemingly unrelated people buried there in the same year. And 8 buried altogether.
Blake
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Maybe they separated. ???
Dee :)
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Not much help, but just rounding out the picture.
From Trove: 28th Feb 1888
On 8th Jan, Mrs C Bacon, beloved wife of Rev T C Bacon of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England, leaving one son & 2 daughters. Aged 80 yrs. Son in Adelaide, Sth Australia.
Cheers, Chris.
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Finding snippets.....nothing that ties the family together however.....
From the Police Gazettes....
John Morley of Port Augusta West was issued with a Hawker’s Licence 3rd June 1884.
Dee :)
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Hi Blake
Spied this whilst looking for another family.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/china1852.shtml
Morley James aged 26 from Norfolk occ. Bricklayer
wife Mary aged 25
children: John 8, Samuel 6, Ellen inf died at sea
Rhonda
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Rhonda, thanks very much! ;D
This has to be them. Why hadn't I been able to find this before?
Blake
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That's a great find by Ronda, Blake.
I've searched and searched FreeBMD as well as FreeReg and I cannot find a marriage. :-\
Dee :)
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1902 SA Directory (Sands)
Alphabetical listing.
Morley A. A. C., acctnt, Albert St, Victoria Pk
Morley Geo F., fruiterer , St Vincent St, P.A.
Morley Geo J., civil service, Harrow Rd, E. A.
Morley Jas E. M., J.P. (A. W. Dobbie & Co), Unley rd, Malvern
Morley Miss I. F., private schl, Fifth av, E.A.
Morley Mrs Mary, Fifth av, East Adelaide
Morley Roy, guard, Stockade
Morley Wm , gardener , Coromandel Valley
Morley Wm, teamster , Saltia
Legal
Morley James Edward Moloy, Malvern.
Education Establishments (Private)
Morley Miss I. F, Fifth Ave, EA.
Mercantile
Morley Geo F, St Vincent St, P.A.
Government & Official
Land and Income Tax Department
Clerks: G J Morley
Gerry
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1902 SA Directory (Sands)
Morley Wm, teamster , Saltia
This would be the Bill Morley were are talking about.
I know Dee, I have searched and searched as well. I have found a few births that sort of fit
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In 1841 there's a James Morley, aged 20, (ages are rounded up or down) in Wretton in Norfolk. he's a bricklayer, unfortunately not living with his family. :(
There are two other James Morleys in Norfolk in the right age bracket, both are labourers with their families.
Dee :)
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Yes I tried censuses as well. I couldn't find them in 1851 or 1841. Well not to a certainty anyway.
Blake
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You've probably discovered this too, Blake.
In the parish of St Saviour, Norwich there’s the following…..
James Swann 30 shoemaker
Elizabeth Swann 35
Mary Swann 20 shoe binder
This is the only Mary SWAN(N) I can find for 1841 in Norfolk. :-\
Dee :)
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I actually didn't think of searching for Mary. I suppose they probably married after 1841 if the eldest child we have found was born in 1844.
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Been searching on familysearch.org I think i found the baptism of Samuel.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXGB-TBQ
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Same couple had a son William in Hockwold in 1848....
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9PR-GFQ
Wonder if he died. ???
And FreeReg has baby Ellen's baptism in 1851.
Dee :)
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Oh ohhhhhhh....
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJM1-34M
Dee :)
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A basic family tree suggests James Morley married Mary Green in 1844 at Norfolk, Mary Green was 17 and born at Hockwold in 1827!
Gerry
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The Hockwold James Morley and Mary also have a child Emma baptised there in 1850. All the baptisms are on FreeReg.
Dee :)
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1841 England Census.
Hockwold Cum Wilton Norfolk.
Saml Morley, 40, bricklayer, born in the County, yes.
Susan Morley, 35, borm in the County, no.
James Morley, 16, born in the County, yes.
John Morley 5. ditto
Robt Edwards 75, ditto.
Gerry
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1851 England Census
Hockwold Cum Wilton
Saml Morley, 53, head, bricklayer, born in Hockwold.
Susan Morley, wife, 45, born in Lakenheath Suffolk.
John Morley, 15, son, bricklayers boy, born in Hockfold.
Robert Edwards, 85, lodger, labourer, born in Long Melford Suffolk.
James Morley had moved out by 1851, his brother John was a bricklayer's boy probaly working for his father Samuel, a bricklayer. The labourer Robert Edwards was still residing with the Morley family in 1851.
Gerry
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1851 England Census.
Hockwold Cum wilton.
James Morly, head, 26, bricklayer, born Hockwold.
Mary Morly, wife, 25, born Hockwold.
John Green, son, 7, Scholar, born Hockwold.
Saml Morly, son, 5, scholar, born Hockwold.
Gerry
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Was Mary a widow? Otherwise I am quite confused to where the SWAN comes from in Bill's birth registration.
Thanks for all this everyone.
Gerry you found them! Thanks. So, John wasn't a Morley. He was originally a Green and must've taken the name MORLEY.
Blake
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I am getting confused. I think John was actually illegitimate and GREEN was Mary's surname.
So have no idea where SWAN came from.
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John GREEN was baptised 15th October 1843 in St Peter's, Hockwold.
Mother = Mary GREEN. Abode = Wilton.
No father given.
If he was illegitimate, then his father may still have been James MORLEY. ;)
Dee :)
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Marriage on FreeBMD....
James MORLEY to Mary GREEN June Qtr 1844 Thetford District
13/503
But William's birth registration definitely says Mary SWAN. Have you sighted the certificate? Only thing I can think of is a major mistranscription error. Or there is another James Morley/ Mary SWAN having children by the same names in Norfolk. But there's no sign of them.
Dee :)
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Very True Dee. Except if it was his I think they probably would've married before the birth or shortly after.
I can't find a Swan-Green marriage. So I am completely perplexed to where SWAN came from :-\
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I just modified my last post, Blake.....doing more than one thing at a time here. ;D ;D
And I have an ancestor who had 4 children and didn't marry the mother.....then had two more children with a different woman. :o ::)
Dee :)
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Must be some mistranscription! :-\
Wow that ancestor certainly sounds interesting.
Emma (who married William) had previously been married twice and had 3 partnerships. Between marriage number 1 and 2 she had an illegitimate son with her sister's husband!
Blake
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Summarising… all these children were baptised in St Peter’s, Hockwold, Norfolk with parents James MORLEY, bricklayer, and Mary/Mary Ann GREEN……
John….baptised GREEN we think came to S.A. His father not given as MORLEY…… On 1851 Census
Samuel….we think came to SA….. On 1851 Census
Ellen….we think died on way out.
Emma baptised Feb 1850
William baptised Jan 1848 …..FreeBMD has the death of a William MORLEY Sep Qtr 1850 in district of Thetford.
Can’t find a death for Emma!
The Problem? If this is the family, why is Mary's maiden name given as SWAN when the next child, named William, is born in SA?
Dee :)
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Back on the John GREEN thing. I think you may be right about him actually being James' son, because on the census he is stated as son, not step-son or son-in-law (I have seen them described as this).
No I couldn't find one for Emma either.
It is a pity we can't find registrations for James or Susan Ann who must also have been born in SA. It'd be interesting to see what the maiden name of Mary was given as. Perhaps SWAN was her mother's maiden name. I have another ancestor, who on most of her children's birth registrations used her mother's maiden name, rather than her's.
Blake
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Unfortunately, lots of births etc for the period we're looking at are missing.....either unregistered, or the registrations haven't survived. Sometimes local registrations haven't made the index as well.
There’s the baptism on FreeREG of Mary GREEN , 20th May 1827 at St Peter’s, Hockwold, Norfolk. Parents John GREEN, labourer, and Sarah.
So annoying that mother's maiden name isn't given.
Dee :)
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Found John GREEN & Sarah's marriage on FamilySearch.
26th September 1819 Hockwood (Hockwold) Norfolk.
But Sarah's surname is given as SHIN!!!!!!
That's not too far from SWAN though. ;D ;D ;D
Added.....it's SHIN on FreeREG too. :-\
Dee :)
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Back on the John GREEN thing. I think you may be right about him actually being James' son, because on the census he is stated as son, not step-son or son-in-law (I have seen them described as this).
No I couldn't find one for Emma either.
It is a pity we can't find registrations for James or Susan Ann who must also have been born in SA. It'd be interesting to see what the maiden name of Mary was given as. Perhaps SWAN was her mother's maiden name. I have another ancestor, who on most of her children's birth registrations used her mother's maiden name, rather than her's.
Blake
The James MORLEY aged 23 who married Catherine Elizabeth DORMAN in 1885, father James MORLEY, wasn't the son of your James MORLEY and Mary SWAN or GREEN. He was the son of another James MORLEY and Ela GREGORY. (BISA)
Dee :)
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Further to Dee's last post.
1861 England Census
Cornwall, Stoke Climsland
James Morley, 38, head, tin miner.
Ela Morley, 35, wife.
Elizabeth Ann Morley, 7, dau, scholar.
Mariann Morley, 6, dau, scholar.
Ellena Morley, 4, dau, scholar,
Georgenia Morley, 2, dau.
1871 England Census
Cornwall, Stoke Climsland
Ela Morley, 42, widow, grocer
Elizabeth A Morley, dau, 18, assistant.
Mary A Morley, dau, 16.
Helena Morley, dau, 14, scholar.
Georgiana Morley, 12, dau, scholar.
James Morley, 9, son, scholar.
Jemima, Morley, 6, dau scholar.
Gerry
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Yes, I had concluded that that wasn't our James.
SHIN, well it is closer than GREEN. Also it could've been a middle name or anything.
Blake
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Hi I'm fairly sure you are researching my family on my dads side susan ann morley came from Burra Burra south aust and went to cygnet in Tasmania? Bacon is another name, we were surname free but was changed to brown
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I am interested to know the background of 'deeiluka' and about the photo Mrs Dee and me. We are trying to locate the background of Susan Ann Morley born around 1860 in Burra SA. Her father was James Morley. Deeiluka bears a striking resemblance to some of our family members and I wondered if she comes from that line?
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Thank you Cristobel for the post on the marriage of Susan Ann Morley to Joseph Henry Bacon. We cannot find any records of Susan's birth and there are so many Susans and James's (her father). Would appreciate it if anyone has any more information on these two. Am interested in Handy771's research as they are correct - Susan Ann married a Bacon and their youngest son John's youngest daughter married a Brown.
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I am interested to know the background of 'deeiluka' and about the photo Mrs Dee and me. We are trying to locate the background of Susan Ann Morley born around 1860 in Burra SA. Her father was James Morley. Deeiluka bears a striking resemblance to some of our family members and I wondered if she comes from that line?
Hello Birdy22,
I'm sorry that I haven't replied sooner, but I've been in the process of moving house and our internet was only connected on Friday last. I'm gradually trying to catch up in between unpacking boxes!
Morley is not a name on our family tree. My mother's line contains the names Bauer, Ehmcke, Selway, Button, Deimel and Redwood.
Feel free to use the personal message system of RootsChat is you want to chat personally about the similarity.
Dee :)
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HI BILL I AM THE GREAT GRANDAUGHTER OF SUSAN ANN MORLEY FATHER JAMES REGARDS SUZANNE
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Hi bill re Susan I do believe that her birth mums name is Catherine O’Neil and James morley is notes as father. That is Mary and James Morley son so I’m assuming they adopted Susan who is down as Susan mariann. I will send pics of documents if u wish they are on my desktop computer
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hi bill would you have a photo of susan ann morley born south Australia father james morley regards suzanne
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Hello Bill
I am researching a friends family tree and she is related to Susan Ann Morley. all we know is that
Susan was Aboriginal, we don't have any photos or any other info about her. Are you able to furnish us with any more info? Please. Or a photo?
Thanks so much
I look forward to hearing back from you
Kindest Regards
Faye
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I am after information on Susan Morley who was an Aboriginal born in South Australia. I would love to hear from you as I could do with heaps of help! I have hit a brick wall.
Faye
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Good morning everyone. We too are researching Susan Morley - adopted by James Morley around 1860/61. Birth mother's name was Matilda who worked as a domestic at Burra, SA. We have hired a professional geneologist to review the SA records. Any further information would be much appreciated. Sean Synnott, Boonah, Queensland.
My great grandmother was Ellen - Susan's daughter.