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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: fastfusion on Thursday 21 February 13 11:19 GMT (UK)
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Hello there folks,
I am currently looking back at the Arrowsmiths family who resided in Westleigh and used the St Mary Virgin Church principally as the main place to record the family events.
Apart from family search . org and the OPC , and few mentioning of material duplicated from the two former sites on anc...y ; I am looking for a) anyone or a website who has in the kindness in their heart done the tombstone inscriptions, and/ or the inscription panels within the church....
b) probates specifically to do with the Arrowsmiths from that place.... so as I can further my investigation and reconstruction of the family tree there.
c) a possible map specifically outlining "Westleigh" in 1700, along
with "Bedford" , "Dean", "Pennington" which are mentioned as residences of the various parts of the family using St Mary the Virgin church.
The Arrowsmith family was in the region for many centuries but at present I can only find linkable proof extending back to 1670.....any assistance locally given or otherwise will be greatly appreciated. The other curiousity of this search is to have some further reading or sources that can give evidences towards the various weaving , tailoring and associative trade in the St Mary Parish area.... namely to do with Arrowsmiths.... I already have amassed information to do with Bolton , and Bolton le Moors but I feel Leigh is slightly earlier in the story of the steps the family achieved...
thank you
marty
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Hi Marty,
I cant help with most of your query as I am in Australia but noticed you didnt mention FreeREG.
Earliest Burial on there;
Alice ARROWSMYTH, Wife of ROBRT, 17 February 1573/74, St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire
Earliest Male/Female Marriage;
RYCHARD Arrowsmith, Bachelor, to Margrett SMYTHE, Spinster, 20 May 1573
JOANE Arrowsmyth, Spinster, to Thomas JOLLIE, Bachelor, 15 August 1575
Earliest Baptism;
CATHEREN Arrowsmyth, 21 Sept 1560 (no Fathers name given though)
Use the soundex option as there are various spellings of Arrowsmith
www.freereg.org.uk
Sorry if you already have these from another Site.
Trish :)
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thanks trish....
my girlfriend and i have just spent the last two days doing a reconstruction of the parish records back to the inception of the first mentioned arrowsmith or phonetic variant....
its now at a point that to determine any other connections from the vagness of some entries in the parish registers i need to look at probates and tombstones or inscriptions.....
we were very lucky to have joined about 50 percent back together,,, but the usual problem of which thomas , which james , which mary etc etc connects the final dots....
it is just one of those parishes.....
but its all good
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Fair enough, good luck with your query :)
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Surviving wills will be held at Lancashire Record Office. If you google Lancashire Wills you will get a website that has most but not all of them in index form. You would need to visit the record office to see them.
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thanks gibel
netted 11 references to probates.......... one step closer to cemetery transcriptions...... :)
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UUUUUmmmmm seems I need to make a serious amendment to this post....
Just had a look on googlemaps streetview.... In the worlds haste to build supermarkets some unwise capitalist sod has turned the grounds of the church into a carpark and buildings of modern demise.
So is there a rootschatter local in Leigh Lancs who can find out for me the direct story of when the graveyard was distroyed and what documentation was done at the time to record the graves or folk interred on Holy ground.................... thank you muchly
p.s. or give me an address of the local town council responsible for the cemeteries in and around Leigh so I may also upgrade genuki .........with answers regarding the old cemetery.
marty
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Fastfusion ,I know you will find Arrowsmiths in Astley a small village which is Near Leigh Lancs . Leigh Cemetery is the place to look for their graves.
Astley, Greater Manchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astley,_Greater_ManchesterIt means "east Leigh" or "east of Leigh", a reference to Astley's location ... 1.1 Toponymy; 1.2 Early history; 1.3 Manor; 1.4 Industrial Revolution .... and Robert Arrowsmith on Peel Lane at Astley Green, near the Bridgewater Canal in 1833. Wigan history site may help you .This is also a good place to find out more
http://www.leighlife.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=67ftv8jnmp469egeh1ait9nic6&page=wiki&id=leighlife:parishchurch
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thanks for that info maggie... so sorry for not replying sooner ... was kinda out of the office for a week driving the eastern seabord.... all 3400 kilometres of it...
will suss out the arrowsmiths of astley though....
cheers
marty
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sorry beeen a bit complacent with this post...
have been slightly distracted by the leigh chatroom posting board and articles which are written in great length.. some mentioned arrowsmiths but i haven t digested all the material yet....
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;D another good site is Leigh-Lancashire.com the wiki sections are very informative ,Have a look on the history of Dam House Astley i think there are mentions of the Arrowsmiths ,I do know they were Mill Owners ,Good luck
Maggie
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hi.
i have an Arrowsmith in my tree from westleigh who married one of my great grand aunts at st mary the virgin leigh
Marriage: 25 Feb 1754 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Henry Arrowsmith - this parish
Jennet Coward - this parish
Married by Licence
Source: LDS Film 559188
ive done some reasearch on them but mainly on the coward side - i know that there are NO GRAVES at st Marys leigh belive me ive aked them and they SOLD the land to the council and build a market in the 1960s, and dug the graves up and put them all together with a monumnet in leigh cemetry so there is not much to see there are a few graves inside the church and one or two in the path if your lucky - i havent been to the church to take pictures because of that reason -
the couple had several children, james alice, Henry ect.
if you would like to share information let me know and ill be happy to help
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thank you for your reply on this topic, and yes a pm with info you may have would be appreciative as I still have some unanswered materials of Arrowsmiths of that area and maybe you have some info I haven't got..... I will then reply with my file once I find it ( mug me toooooo many files on fh) but its all good .....thanks again
marty
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hi matty -
im afraid thats all i have apart from a couple of childrren - there are many Henrys - i cannot find Jennetts death - ive restricted it to Pennington and i looked at it the other day the Henrys have me baffled -
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uuummmm, it is a shame that a transcription of the full details of the memorial stones and plaques does not appear anywhere online for Leigh and surrounding cemeteries as the information regarding the Arrowsmith family would certainly lay truth to some missing records. As for Henry etc I will have a look at that....
Marty
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the inscriptions for some of the churches - they are in a book held at Bolton library for the Bolton area - there may be something at Wigan library for leigh - but as they bullzosed some of it in the 1960s i think they might not have taken the inscriptions back then but worth inquiring the best place is wigan history shop they are very good and will point you in the right direction -
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You might be interested in the following :
https://leigh.life/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=leighlife:lhwestleigh
which mentions several members of the Arrowsmith family in 16/1700s in Westleigh.
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pakpolly,
thankyou for your interest, and i did go back to the site you linked to find it has been added to somewhat since its inception.......
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Message for Marty, I may have some info for you
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Hello Irisj
Welcome to RootsChat. Because you have created a new topic the member will not be notified of your reply. I am just now looking for the topic so that I can attach your message to the topic.
Regards
Sarah
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I have now merged the topic together :)
Regards
Sarah
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My grandmother was an Arrowsmith.Currently resurching her side of family..Not got very far ,lots to investigate further.I have my great grandparents death certificates,only to discover that the Thomas Arrowsmith I have was remarried...
His grandfather also named Thomas also remarried,...im sure there is lots more to find ,up to now I've got to 1818,with Thomas Arrowsmith my 3×grt grandfather.
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My apologies for not being on the ball here....... covid19 and bells palsy dont mix tooo well. i see a response from about 8 weeks ago...... please elaborate a little on your tree connection...occupations and dates... I can see where you are but please go that distance then I will give you a few of the 2nd marriages etc
i dont have capacity right at the second to concentrate but will take heed of the post again...... as my old lady has somewhat disappeared from Scotland and is somewhere on the British Isles.
PS Sarah>>>>>> Shame I could get my other Arrowsmith posts on lancs board somewhat merged....... my lousy housekeeping overr the years........
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Hi Fast fusion,
You just need to let me know what topics you want merging, you do this by either pm'ing the link or clicking on the "report to moderator" button on the topic you want merging and in the notes add the link.
Regards
Sarah