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Title: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:13 GMT (UK)
Hello all you good lookers!!    ;)

We have a marriage for Arthur Henry BEART to Ethel Mary GAUNT  - they married in Victoria 1894 # 2096

then to Queensland where they had a son Arthur born 1899.  (Possibly his second name was Maxwell - he's the only one who seems to fit, and Maxwell is a much used name in this branch of the family.)

 Ethel Mary BEART had a daughter - (apparently out of wedlock)  - Dorothy Heaton COOPER - father John Heaton COOPER.     Born 4 Aug 1906 in Queensland - #009929

Ethel died in 1906 - it just say 7 1906 on the record I can see - please can someone see more - I am presuming Ethel died in Childbirth, or very soon after.  #003215

It appears Arthur married again in South Australia to Clare SILVER 1909.    Page 709 vol 329

What I am looking for is . . 
1.   What became of Dorothy COOPER? - I can't find any more trace of her -

2.  What became of Arthur BEART jnr -   I have a possible marriage date for A M  Beart in 1917-1920 South Australia.  and a possible death in 1961 also S.A.

There was some talk that Ethel had taken son, Arthur, to Tasmania to be brought up by the family there -

There's something funny going on here with Ethel we think  ::) :-\

- maybe Arthur Hy Beart went and claimed his son back after her death . . . .

Any assistance would be most gratefully received.

Wiggy 

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

The divorce http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68860317?searchTerm=arthur beart&searchLimits=

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:41 GMT (UK)
Hi

That was a mini series . How sad about the baby


Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:48 GMT (UK)
Oh dear Wiggy - I hope you mean researchers because I definitely don't fit the 'good lookers' :P

BEART Arthur Henry  42 years  Status Widower  Father James BEART
SILVER Clare 32 years  Status Single  Father James SILVER
16 Jun 1909
At St Luke's Church Adelaide  Ade Symbol S* 239/709

S* The certificate contains information which may not be published such as:
·   Groom or Brides father is deceased
·   The Mothers name is stated
·   The age is listed in years and months
·   A subsequent divorce is listed
·   Other unusual information is listed

Deaths
BEART Arthur Henry
2 Dec 1926  60 years  Status Married  No relative noted
Residence Colonel Light Gardens  Death Place Parkside  Nor H 491/343
Symbol H indicates he died in a hospital or place of care.

BEART Clare
19 Feb 1956  78 years  Status Widow  Relative Arthur Henry BEART [Deceased husband]
Residence Colonel Light Gardens  Death Place Daw Park  Ade H 838/921

Clare was cremated at Centennial Park Cemetery
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t0q/

Cando




Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:51 GMT (UK)
Hi

Dorothy stayed with her father  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53950850?searchTerm=john heaton cooper&searchLimits=

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:53 GMT (UK)
More from trove:
Divorce proceedings:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53048857?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53048924?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/72004960?
Claim for Money:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53017005?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53013671?

cheers :)
cupoflife
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 02:54 GMT (UK)
BEART Arthur Maxwell
19 May 1961  62 years  Status Married  No relative noted
Residence Goodwood  Death Place Goodwood  Ade 923/3041

BEART Marjorie Amelia
15 Sep 1970  72 years  Status Widow  Relative Arthur Maxwell BEART [Deceased husband]
Residence Goodwood  Death Place North Adelaide  Ade H 100A/7260

Arthur H, Arthur M and Marjorie are interred at West Terrace Cemetery.

http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/RecordsSearch.aspx

Cando

 

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:02 GMT (UK)
BEART Arthur Maxwell 25 years  Status Single  Father Arthur Henry BEART
AISTON Marjorie Amelia 26 years  Status Single  Father James Albert AISTON
6 Jan 1925
At St Georges Church Goodwood  Ade 302/48

AISTON Marjorie Amelia
3 May 1898-
Father James Albert AISTON  Mother Amelia PEGLER
At New Parkside  Ade 622/14

Wiggy if you want any free transcriptions of SA certs in the Ade [Adelaide] district you could contact the Goodwood Library
http://www.gravesecrets.net/adelaide-bdm-free-transcriptions.html

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:07 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t0r/

The Advertiser 3 December 1926

BEART On the 2nd December, Arthur Henry Beart, late of Western Australia and Penang-avenue, Colonel Light Gardens, aged 60 years.

Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:24 GMT (UK)
Wow - that was quick - you are Blooming marvellous all you people!!

We knew you were good!   ;)

Muss,  miniseries is right!  phew - she didn't pickup with the right people did she, Ethel!! 

Thank you all so much!   

Cando thanks for all those dates - we will pursue!

Cupoflife - thanks for all the links!     

I've taken a while to get back 'cos I was reading all the links!   Phew!!   ::) ::)

Ummm   - Did anyone happen to see the actual date of Ethel's death!  Was it 7 August 1906?   Just been checking back to make sure I didn't miss it in the flood of info - don't think I did!    :D

Many thanks folks!   told you you were good lookers!!   ;D ;D (and researchers!)

Wiggy    ;)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cristobel on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:33 GMT (UK)

Hi,
Photos of BEART headstones at West Terrace Cemetery can be obtained through:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/index.html

Cheers, Chris.
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Chris.      ;)

Wiggy   
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:38 GMT (UK)
hi
Death notice for Ethel
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68878529?searchTerm=ethel cooper&searchLimits=fromyyyy=1906|||toyyyy=1906

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:41 GMT (UK)
Here's her DOD:

BEART Ethel Mary d. 7 Sep 1906 #003215
Parents: Charles GAUNT & Margaret MILLIGAN
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:42 GMT (UK)
Hi
 Probate http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42022600?searchTerm=john heaton cooper&searchLimits=

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:42 GMT (UK)
The story of the son taken to TASSIE was true :'(

BEART Alec b. 2 Feb 1896 #011496 (QLD)
Parents: Arthur Henry & Ethel Mary GAUNT

BEART ALEC GRAEME 0yrs d. 5 Dec 1896 LAUNCESTON #386/1896 RGD 35
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:43 GMT (UK)
Hi 
sorry wrong wife  this wife is Emma

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42022600?searchTerm=john heaton cooper&searchLimits=
Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:44 GMT (UK)
 :-[ :-[  Reckon I'd better get busy on Trove again hadn't I!!     I was so busy trying to solve everything via An****ry that I forgot Trove -

Thanks very much Muss!!   I'm really grateful!   

Thanks muchly, Merlin - so is wasn't actually childbirth - but soon very after!!   Maybe as a result of . .

I'm not very fast at looking up - but if anyone needs a photo done . . . . . . . .   ;)  ;) ;)(providing it isn't too bad!)

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:50 GMT (UK)
Oops - but wait there's more! 

More thanks to Merlin and Muss - going to read mark learn and inwardly digest this little lot!  think I will even read the mini series again!

Wiggy     ;)

Here's to Rootchat lookers!  Hip Hip Hooray!   :D :D



Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:53 GMT (UK)
OK, read the first bit about Ethel's death in Trove!

 - we can't see any marriage for John Cooper and Ethel - anyone else see one??  :-\   Or was it a defacto relationship?? - says wife in the notice.  Honorary title??

 In the BDM for Australia she is still listed as Beart!

I know - I'll go and look in Trove!    ;)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 03:59 GMT (UK)
Hi

Qld Elect roll 1949
Dorothy Heaton North  Gowan Hills Blackall
Thomas Percy North     as above

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:05 GMT (UK)
Hi 

1949 elect roll
John Heaton Cooper   Bridge st  Albion

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:05 GMT (UK)
Australian Electoral Roll
1903 Qld  Voters at Westwood Polling place
BEART Arthur Henry Sunnyside  Farmer
BEART Ethel Mary Springfield  Selector

1906 WA -
BEART Arthur Henry Agett Road, Claremont  Timber setter

1910  WA - Pilbara
BEART Alex Kingsbury  Bamboo Springs Station Nullagine   Mechanical engineer
BEART Arthur Henry Bamboo Springs Station  Pastoralist

1916
BEART Arthur Henry Nullagine  Pastoralist
BEART Clare Coondinna Station Nullagine  Married

1925
BEART Arthur Henry Nullagine  Pastoralist



Cando




Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:12 GMT (UK)
Hi

WW2  http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=112692

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:15 GMT (UK)

Hi,
Photos of BEART headstones at West Terrace Cemetery can be obtained through:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/index.html

Cheers, Chris.

There is no headstone for Alfred Henry BEART at West Terrace Cemetery and Marjorie Amelia appears to be memoralised with her AISTON family as well as Amelia. 
BEART Arthur Maxwell 1961
BEART Marjorie Amelia 1970  see AISTON  4552/6

Link for the email to kym for a photo.  Wonderful service.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/cemetery_index.htm

Cando





   

 
   

1961

1970
   

 
   

see Aiston
   

4552
   

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Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:15 GMT (UK)
Ignore the stuff up....I can't modify my posts :-X :-X

Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:47 GMT (UK)
Once around the block for me to stretch my legs and back and you've all found more!

Thanks folks - "yer all doing very well"!  :D

I don't think An****ry have all the BDMs that's what I don't think!   

I'm ever so grateful - and if you don't receive prompt thanks for a wee whiley - it's 'cos I am out!  But "I'll be back!"   ::) ;D

Looked to interesting too Cando!  ;D ;D   Lots of pregnant pauses!   ;D
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 04:52 GMT (UK)
I would not rely on Ancestry for researching bdm's in Aus.  I use the available resources ie online indexes in Qld, WA, NSW and the very basic index provided by SA Genealogy however I have the SA, Vic and Tas discs so that also helps ;D.  Just ask Wiggy ;D

When I learn how to scan and post some old photos for restoration you can help then ;D

Cheers ;D
Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Tuesday 26 February 13 05:09 GMT (UK)
Hi
Queensland State Electoral Roll
Electoral District of Port Curtis, Rockhampton Division
1895, 1896, 1900 & 1901
Beart, Arthur Henry, Rio, Herbert's Creek, qualified by residence.

Rockhampton Cemetery
Beart Ethel Mary
Date of death/burial: 8th Sept 1906, age 37 years.


Added.
Buried Saturday 8th Sept 1906, Phthisis, CofE, Section 4.5, Grave No 3924.




Gerry
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Tuesday 26 February 13 05:29 GMT (UK)
Hi

Funeral notice of Emma  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42060736?searchTerm=emma cooper albion&searchLimits=l-category=Family+Notices

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Tuesday 26 February 13 09:32 GMT (UK)
Wow, you guys have been busy.  All I had written next to Ethel's photo (assuming it is her) is
Alec Beart b. 1896
Arthur Maxwell Beart b 1899
Dorothy Heaton Cooper b. 1906.  Father not listed but when you read trove newspaper on the divorce, the neighbour was the Heaton Cooper bloke.  I remember finding another article approx 21yrs later that mentions Dorothy and her father, still in Qld.  I assumed she died from complications after childbirth.  it looks like Beart took his son with him and the daughter stayed with her father.

The poor baby, I'll have to read over that again, I always wondered where he was buried and which sister he was sent to.  Sounds like Ethel was a skeleton in the Gaunt closet, wonder why her father Charles didn't step in to help at that time.  My Grandma knows nothing of her story....
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Tuesday 26 February 13 09:42 GMT (UK)
Beart did go to WA to join his brother, so that makes sense.  thanks for finding baby Alec's middle name - Graeme, am now thinking that he may may have been named for his uncle Gray (Marcus Graeme Gaunt). 
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Tuesday 26 February 13 09:50 GMT (UK)
One more question.  Can anyone find out if Dorothy Heaton Cooper (married name North?) ever had children?  Would love to find some living cousins!
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Tuesday 26 February 13 11:02 GMT (UK)
so far I've not even found the Cooper North marriage - but   . . . . .

I would not rely on Ancestry for researching bdm's in Aus.  I use the available resources ie online indexes in Qld, WA, NSW and the very basic index provided by SA Genealogy however I have the SA, Vic and Tas discs so that also helps ;D.  Just ask Wiggy ;D

Cheers ;D
Cando
. . . .  it does Cando it surely does! 

Thanks for chipping in your tuppence worth Gerry!!   ;D ;D   Every little bit adds to the full jigsaw!

Julie  - glad you've joined in - told you they're good!!   ;D 8)

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Tuesday 26 February 13 23:39 GMT (UK)
Marriage index only extends to 1937 in Queensland.

Australian Electoral Roll
1930
COOPER Dorothy Heaton  'The Springs' Westwood  HD
COOPER John Heaton 'Glen Heaton' Westwood  Grazier

1936
COOPER Dorothy Heaton Aqua Street, Blackall  HD

1943
COOPER Dorothy Heaton 'Gowan Hills' Blackall  HD

1949
NORTH Dorothy Heaton 'Gowan Hills' Blackall HD
NORTH Thomas Percy 'Gowan Hills' Blackall  Manager

1958
NORTH Dorothy  'Alice Downs' Blackall  HD
NORTH Thomas Percy 'Alice Downs' Blackall  Manager

Various addresses in Blackall to

1980
NORTH Dorothy 19 Thistle Street, Blackall
NORTH Thomas Percy 19 Thistle Street, Blackall  Manager

Perhaps an enquiry to see if they are buried at Blackall
http://www.btrc.qld.gov.au/council/cemeteries.shtml

Death
1949/B22678   
COOPER John Heaton   
Father William   Mother Alice Taylor

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 00:15 GMT (UK)
Hi

Probate  John Heaton Cooper http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49701441?searchTerm=john heaton cooper&searchLimits=fromyyyy=1949|||frommm|||fromdd|||toyyyy=1949|||tomm|||todd

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 01:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you folks,  and for the info re marriage index, Cando!

Thus we can deduce that she married sometime between 1943 and 1949 - well it all helps!   :)

Today I am off to look up all the links - didn't have time for all of them yesterday! 

Many, many thanks for all the help!

Wiggy   

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Wednesday 27 February 13 01:55 GMT (UK)
When Thomas Percy NORTH enlisted in 1942 his NOK was E NORTH - probably his mother Eleanor NORTH.
He was discharged in 1945.

WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=112692

Birth
1900/C2226   
NORTH Thomas Percy   
Father Albert Edward   Eleanor Maria HOARE

Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:16 GMT (UK)
Hi
 Funeral notice of Evelyn Gertrude North sister of Thomas Percy

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50628722?searchTerm=evelyn  gertrude north&searchLimits=fromyyyy=1954|||toyyyy=1954

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:34 GMT (UK)
I would suggest that E NORTH named as NOK was his mother in 1942.

Death
1948/B19951   
NORTH Eleanor Maria Talbot   
Father Joseph Henry HOARE   Elizabeth TALBOT

Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

I was thinking that Dorothy may be at Mount Thompson crem. 

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

Listing of Names in a company  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/54298293?searchTerm=eleanor  maria North&searchLimits=

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

Eleanor also at Mount Thompson  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49906465?searchTerm=eleanor  maria North&searchLimits=

Muss
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:50 GMT (UK)
Marriage
Don't know if this has been already posted...thread all over the place ::)

Marriage
1930/B8932
COOPER   John Heaton   
HADDOCK   Emma

1936, 1943,
COOPER Emma  21 Bridge Street, Albion  HD
COOPER John Heaton  21 Bridge Street, Albion  No occupation

1943/B64028   
COOPER Emma   
No father recorded  Mother    Elizabeth ROBERTS

1949
COOPER John Heaton  21 Bridge Street, Albion  No occupation

Muss not at all familiar with Qld cemeteries so leave that for you :)

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 02:58 GMT (UK)
When Thomas Percy NORTH enlisted in 1942 his NOK was E NORTH - probably his mother Eleanor NORTH.
He was discharged in 1945.

WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=112692

Birth
1900/C2226   
NORTH Thomas Percy   
Father Albert Edward   Eleanor Maria HOARE

Cando

You are obviously 'up there for thinking' Cando!!  Very good deductions there - Might see if the marriage is listed in Trove  - it might be - or maybe not - I will have a look!   ;D

Thanks Muss -  I'm going to let Julie chase up all the burials!   ;)  After all  - it is her Great-great-aunt and family!!    ;D

I've just been going back through the thread adding links and knowledge to the family tree - As you can probably tell, Julie  (gaunt) is a closer rellie than I am -  being from the same line of the Gaunt family  - My G-grandfather was brother of her GGgrandfather, father of Ethel Mary Gaunt. ('cos she's young!!!   ;) ;)) 

We are much obliged to you all!    :D

Wiggy   ;)


4 reds!!

I keep trying to post and getting 'pipped at the post'!!   ;D
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 27 February 13 04:12 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Some burial information.
Blackall Cemetery, Queensland
Thomas Percy North
D: 13th June 1984
B: 15th June 1984
Age: 83
Plot 7, Row 16, Anglican.

Dorothy North
D: 25th Sept 2007.
B": 28th Sept 2007.
Age 101.
Plot 8, Row 16, Anglican.

Gerry
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: muss on Wednesday 27 February 13 04:14 GMT (UK)
Hi

Wow 101

Muss



Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: cando on Wednesday 27 February 13 04:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Gerry :)

I was hoping you would come along. :)

What a terrific innings for Dorothy ;D

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 05:23 GMT (UK)
I'll second that -   What are you looking at that I can't see??

101 is a decent age isn't it!!

Don't suppose you can see a marriage for John Heaton Cooper and Ethel Mary Beart  can you -

(Dem uvvers don't seem to be able to!)   ;) ;) :P 

It is possible they didn't have time to be married, what with the divorce in 1904 and her dying in 1906.

OK, don't take offence - you are all stars!  Medals all round!!   ;D ;D

I've been looking up electoral rolls until 1980 and it doesn't look as if Thomas and Dorothy North had any children.   Not showing on the rolls anyhow!

Trove isn't throwing up any births either - but you know how limited my access to  births records is!

Wiggy
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 27 February 13 06:48 GMT (UK)
There is an MI for Thomas Percy NORTH at Blackall cemetery:

NORTH Thomas Percy
Died 13.06.1984
83 years
My Husband
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 06:55 GMT (UK)
Thanks Merlin - this jigsaw is beginning to look really good now!!     :) :)

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Wednesday 27 February 13 08:33 GMT (UK)
That is truly amazing.  Thank you for the answers.  I can't believe Dorothy was 101.  Wonder if she knew about her mother and other brothers.  Hoping she had a happy life!
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Wednesday 27 February 13 09:08 GMT (UK)
I just found  an inconsistency.  Baby Alec Graeme Beart died in Dec 1896 in Launceston Tas. but the newspaper article reporting on the divorce case says that Ethel was in WA when notified that her baby died and returned to Melb for an operation in Oct 1897, paying for all funeral expenses etc of her baby, then returned to Qld in Nov 1897.  So, did the paper get the years wrong and the months or did the bdm records?
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 09:13 GMT (UK)
probably took until 1897 to get the news in WA - and then to get back to Melbourne.   :-\   Also you can pay for expenses after the event. 

 - And didn't the newspaper say Arthur didn't want her to come back for the funeral -   I thought I read that as part of the court case.   I'd better read it again.    :-\ :-\

And they wouldn't have waited to bury the child until Mum arrived back . . . .

I reckon it stacks up    :-\

Wiggy
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 27 February 13 09:20 GMT (UK)
Just read it again - received news by telegram - but in those days I doubt she'd have travelled back immediately  -   specially as she wasn't well and had had such a long trip over  -   the long sea trip then another three days on the coach.  And it seems Arthur wasn't encouraging her to come back for the child.  Seems to have been a pretty rotten marriage all up!

But it does look as if she paid the expenses afterwards - or by a bank draft - however they worked in those days.
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Wednesday 27 February 13 10:47 GMT (UK)
Searching for any of the Gaunt family at Invermay (suburb of Launceston) Tas, that would have received baby Alec Graeme Beart from a Melbourne steamer, sometime before his death (early Dec 1896) and cared for him.  Checking passenger lists, his mother would have come by steamer to Melb? Then he was transferred to a steamer to a sister in Tas.  By that year, I'd assumed all the immediate family had gone to Ulverstone, Nietta, Casta areas....
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 27 February 13 14:07 GMT (UK)



A Queensland Government Gazette shows that Arthur H Beart had an Agricultural Lease, 513 acres 3r 5p, Portion 69v in the Parish of Westwood leased at 3d per acre.  Looks like he took the lease out in 1899.

On 7th April 1906 in the Queensland Government Gazette there was a Matrimonial Causes Jurisdiction in the Supreme Court of Queensland where a writ of Ferie Facias was issued upon a judgement obtained by the Plaintif, Ethel Mary Beart against the Defendant, Arthur Henry Beart.  Basically this meant that the 513 acres, portion 69v  would be sold off on 7th May 1906 by Public Auction in Rockhampton.

Gerry

Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 28 February 13 06:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Went to the Qld State Archives today and had a quick look at the Qld State Annotated Electoral Rolls to see if there was an annotation for Dorothy and there was.

the 15th Jan 1947 ER (Blackall) had  Dorothy Heaton Cooper with the Cooper crossed out and annotated 'North" with the hand written comments 'Re Reg 1946'

Dorothy was still Cooper in the 30th Jan 1946 ER so it looks like a marriage during 1946.

The Archives also holds file papers relating to the divorce proceedings between Ethel Mary Beart & Arthur Henry Beart.  There are many pages with including witness statements and accusations etc but there is some interesting info including.

Ethel & Arthur were married at East Melbourne 9th May 1894.
They then lived at, Christmas Hills, Victoria, Sydney, Nulubin Station, Queensland, Menzies Western Australia and finally Westwood Queensland.

April 1896 Arthur left Qld for WA, September 1896 Ethel went to Menzies WA to confront Arthur, November 1899 they both went to Westwood in Qld.

Gerry
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 28 February 13 06:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Gerry,

Thanks for that - do you know if it is possible to buy copies of all those file papers about the divorce?

Also thanks for narrowing the time of marriage for Dorothy!! You are a star!!   :D

Thanks for looking in the archives for us!

Wiggy   :)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 28 February 13 07:09 GMT (UK)
I think you can, they would charge for the photocopying & post I assume.

It was item No 8063 Series No 18679 (Briefs, Correspondence and Papers)
The case, Ethel Mary Beart v Arthur Henry Beart (Defendant) and Margaret Triffit ( Co- Defendant) re application fo divorce.

If had I remembered to take my camera I would have photographed the lot.  I have more to do at the archives in the next week or so so I'll se if I can take photos next time.

Gerry
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 28 February 13 08:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks Gerry!!   :)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Thursday 28 February 13 08:41 GMT (UK)
And a big thanks from me too, Gerry
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Aussie1947 on Tuesday 05 March 13 23:50 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Went to the Qld State Archives and what I thought was one file on the Beart v Beart was actually 3 individual file bundles tightly wrapped and tied up with each bundle held together in a corner the equivalent of an 1905 staple.

With the assistance of an Archivist we tried to lay some pages out to photgraph but it was very difficult, the pages had been held in tight bundles for 100 years plus there were many pages in various states of condition.

The Archives could probably copy the papers for you but it would be expensive I expect or next time I'm there I could make some more notes from these files if there was anything specific you may be seeking.  I had previously looked at one bundle and posed a few notes but there maybe more you are seeking.

Regards
Gerry
 
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 06 March 13 02:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks for you time and effort Gerry -  :D

Over to you Julie - how much do you want Gerry to chase this??   :)

Wiggy    :)
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gaunt on Thursday 07 March 13 09:11 GMT (UK)
Yes, I will pm you, thanks Gerry!
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: gabmel on Friday 11 August 17 17:19 BST (UK)
New user to this forum. My brother and his family live in the house in Colonel Light Gardens once owned (must have been briefly), by Arthur Henry Beart and his new wife Clare. The house was interestingly built in 1926, the same year he died. After Clare died, the property was transferred to Emily Velma Beart (died 2012) and William Bryan Beart (died 3/11/1993). I also have a i different date of 1965 of Clare's death, obtained from the Lands Titles Office. I'll be sure to dig a bit further into that.

Check out the house! http://www.reviewproperty.com.au/ore/Public/Gallery/Photo.aspx?adid=2009639168&pic=2&mode=Sold&AgencyID=15924&st=1
 
By the way, Arthur Henry Beart died in Parkside Lunatic Asylum. Refer to Police reports to the Coroner 1926. On the deaths of patients at Parkside and Adelaide Lunatic Asylums. GRG 1/44

I also found that Dorothy was writing to her "uncle Ernest James Beart's daughter", Kathleen Mary BEART, born 23-11-1899 at Kapunda. Her mother was Kathleen (birth reg. as Catherine) ODonoghue born 14 March 1868. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-SAGEN/2004-07/1090106961
Title: Re: BEART Arthur Henry in Queensland and South Australia
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 11 August 17 22:03 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Gabmel.

Thanks for the extra information.

I have passed on this infor mation to the person for whom I started this thread.    :)

Wiggy