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A newspaper account from New Zealand in the 1880s mentioned that Michael Lewis Beresford Nelly served with the 88th Regiment of Foot in the Crimea and Indian Mutiny, along with 2 brothers John and James.
One New Zealand birth certificate of his children said he was born in Derbyshire, his death certificate on which informant did not know wife or parents names, said he was born in Ireland. (abt 1834)
Brother John Nelly sergeant with the 88th was born in Gort, Galway, Ireland about 1833, he enlisted 28 March 1851 in Lancashire
John was a Corporal in the 88th, haven't found his origins
There was a Michael Nelly with wife Mary Moran and family who emigrated from Gort to Australia in 1844 with possible matches for Michael and John but other son was named Feargus? no sign of James.
Any ideas how to find births and confirm parentage of these boys?
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Hello,
do you have evidence that John Nelly was Michael's brother?
As you say there is a John is shown with 88th Regiment in Bury, Lancashire in 1851.
Griffiths Valuation (1850s) shows that there are Nellys in the Gort area http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/beagh.htm
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/kiltartan.php
It is difficult to find any records so early for Michael as parish and civil records for those areas begin much later.
regards
heywood
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Hi Heywood,
this is where I found the reference initially from the Papers Past website in NZ
NOTHING EXTENUATE, NOR SET DOWN AUGHT IN MALICE.
(To the Editor.)
Sir,-There have been so many falsehoods so very freely put forth in this district relative to my severance from the volunteer force, that in justice to myself and for the satisfaction of the officers and members of the volunteer force with whom I have been connected since July, 1863, I wrote to the Horse Guards asking to send me the names of my brothers who served in the Imperial Army in order to show the scandal-mongers their mistake, and I beg space in the columns of your valuable paper to publish the reply from H.R.H., the Commander in Chief, which I have just received through Colonel Shepherd, and also to ask you to publish the statement by General Whitmore to the Hon. Minister of Defence, with the remarks of the Hon. Colonel Haultain, which are herewith enclosed -I am,&c, M. L. B. Nelley. Union-st., Auckland, February 10,1888.
[We cannot find space for the enclosures, even were they proper matter for publication.. Their tendency is to show that Sergt. Nelley was dismissed on insufficient grounds. The communication from the Horse Guards shows that he and his two brothers, John and James, served in the 88th Regt., and the following is the record regarding our correspondent: Sergt. Michael L. Nelley-lndian Mutiny, medal with 'Central India' clasp. Crimean medal with clasps, 'Alma,' 'Inkerman,' and'Sebastopol.' Turkish medal. This man got the Medjidie, but no authority to wear it. "J
Auckland Star, Volume XIX, Issue 38, 15 February 1888, Page 2
Pity the other correspondance was not published.
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Hi again,
That sounds interesting!
As I said, John is in Bury in 1851. He perhaps did not enlist there though.
This is an interesting article about Connaught Rangers. http://www.kenripper.co.uk/JohnConnor/jc1.html
I doubt that the Nelly family going to Australia would be your family as John is in England in 1851.
Heywood
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This is shortly after that article.
Nelly (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS18880317.2.27&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Michael+l+nelly--)
I have just read another letter praising him as a drill instructor. The spelling of his name varies.
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I am also researching Michael Lewis Beresford Nelly and have come up against the same issues re his birth. I can add the following from my own research:
A John Nelly (88th Foot Connaught Rangers)) was killed in the Crimea about 8 Sep 1855. He was wounded at the final attack on the Redan. A James Nelly (same regiment) was killed at Cawnpore 22 June 1858. Mother Catherine of Galway.
Michael Nelly enlisted in the 2nd Waikato Regiment on 21 Oct 1863 and was awarded the NZ medal for service in the NZ wars of 1860-70. The Nominal and Descriptive Rolls for this Regiment are held at the NZ National Library Archives. They show his birthplace as Malton Derbyshire. This may be a misspelling of Milton, as I couldn't find a Malton in Derbyshire. According to the enlistment details Michael's father's name was James. Michael may also have been known as Matthew, but not in NZ.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Maud?
John Survived the battle at the Redan
1861 Worldwide Army Index
First Name(s):John
Last Name:Nelly
Number:2646
Rank:Sergeant
Unit:88th Foot (Connaught Rangers)
Regiment Stationed at:Shahjahanpore East Indies
National Archives reference:WO12 / 9070
John Nelly Sergeant of the 88th Foot resigned at Cawnpore, India, 13 May 1864, after serving 13 years 46 days 2 years 3 months in the Eastern Expedition, and 6 years 6 months in (East Indies) India.
Three good conduct badges
Crimea Medal with clasps for Alma, Inkerman and Sebastapol
The Turkish Crimean Medal
India Mutiny Medal with clasp for Central India.
He was severely wounded in the the attack of the Redan in the Crimea 8th Sept.1855
Private 28 March 1851 to 26 February 1854
Corporal 27 February 1854 to 9 May 1854
Serjeant 10 May 1854 to 15 February 1855
Court martialed and Prisoned 16 - 18 Febraury 1855
Private 19 Feb 1855 to 24 March 1856
Corporal 25 March 1856 to 31 March 1857
Corporal 1st April 1857 to 31 October 1857
Serjeant 1st November 1857 to 26 July 1861
Re engaged at Shaljihaupore Serjeant 27 July 1861 to 13 May 1864
14 May 1864 until discharged 2nd August 1864
It says he was born in Gort, County Galway, Ireland Enlisted 28th March in Lancashire.
He was 5 foot 8 and a half inches tall, hazel eyes, light brown hair he was aged 31 years 2 months old when discharged on 2nd August 1864, and was going to reside in Calcutta.
2646 John Nelly, severely wounded
London Gazette, Date:
26 September 1855
Issue number:
21790
Page number:
3598
Read more: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/all=Nelly+88th/start=1#ixzz2MXWdYVhf
Have been trying to find the death of James at Cawnpore in 1858, the university of Western Australia has a good selection of material on the mutiny in India, maybe if I can get down there I will find something on him and John.
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Hi,
Sorry to take so long to reply. Thank you very much for the records on John Nelly. I had found his name on a list of casualties in the Crimea, with the notation 'seriously wounded' and had made the assumption that he had died from wounds, as I wasn't able to find any mention of him after that.
Are you researching the whole Nelly family or is there anyone family member in particular? Michael Nelly is my husband's great grandfather. We have a studio photo of him taken by Frank MacFadyen Photographers, 151 Barras Bridge, Newcastle on Tyne, England. Michael is a young dandy in the photo, so probably taken in the early 1850s.
Regards Maureen
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Hello I just stumbled on this website juring a search . My surname is Nelly and I live in Gort. I have never heard of any of my fAmily fighting in the wars but it is an uncommon name and not many of us left!
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MICHAEL AND PATRICK MORAN sons of WILLIAM MORAN
Background information found so far:
My ancestors Michael and Patrick Moran (my g-g-grandfather), we believe were tenant farmers in Gort, on the property owned by the Burkes called Marble Hill, but another branch of the family we tracked down in Australia were told they were from Athlone.
We can find Andrew Moran through the Griffith's Valuation at Cappagh, Lessor: Sir Ths J Burke and Michael Moran at Ballynakill, Lessor: Henry Pigott. Maybe they left Athlone to find work in Gort ???
Their father was William Moran, mother unknown. Based on their ages at time of transportation and death certificates Michael was born approx.1805 and Patrick approx.1808/1811.
Naming conventions:
Michael Moran married Mary Byrnes in 1844 (Australia) and died in 1848.
He had a son Patrick and we believe a daughter Mary J and a son William Moran
Son Patrick had eight children:
Michael J, Edward, William Charles, James Timothy, Mary Anastasia, Margaret Jane,Agnes Eugean and Patrick
Patrick Thomas Moran (my g-g-gf) married Mary McMahon (Australia) in 1855.
Patrick had seven children that we know of:
Michael, Mary, John Thomas, Patrick Denis, Margaret Ellen, William James and Winfred
Son Michael (my g-gf) had eight children:
Patrick Francis, Mary Mildred, Winifred May, Helena Aloysius, Kathleen Agnes, Celia Margaret, Owen Alphonzie and William John (my gf)
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In March 1832 at the Galway Assizes there were about 27 Galway men convicted of being a Whiteboy in that same month. The following men were transported together on the "Eliza" in 1832:
Pat Manmon, Malachy Hardiman, Patrick Cannane, Michael Kelly, John Kelly, John Mulville, Edmond Mooney, Joseph Connors, Thomas Cavenagh, Laurence McDonagh, John Burke, John Gantley, Patrick Doolan, John Meskell, Patrick Hanna, John Larkin, Edmond (Edward) Naughton, Patrick Finn, John Heagey, Martin Heagey, John Sheedy, Michael Moran, Patrick Moran, Patrick Carey or Cazey, Patrick Halloran, Patrick Walsh, Patrick Hynes.
Thomas Keneally's "The Great Shame"
TERRYALTISM:
Up to the moment we write, there have been ... about thirty unfortunate individuals convicted under the Whiteboy Act, and therefore destined to spend the remainder of their lives in a clime far, far distant from their native homes - from the land which holds all that is dear to them in the world.
Galway Free Press, 31 March 1832.
Whilst it hints to this event there does not appear to be any other information on these convictions.
My Ancestors Conviction:
Record in Assizes (Court):
Michael Quinn, John Sheedy, Michael Moran, Patrick Moran and James Boland, whiteboy offence, judgement of death recorded.
Another newspaper article read:
James Boland, Patrick Moran, Michael Moran, James Sheedy and Michael Quinn for the assembling of arms and attacking the house of Martin Glynn (Glinn) in May Last: Guilty
Galway Advertiser 1st October 1831: Committed to Galway Jail 9th September by Walter Moloney Chief Magistrate at Gort: John Sheedy alias Silk charged having on 20th May aided by an armed party attacked the home of Martin Glynn (sometimes spelt Glinn) who was severely wounded. On same day he committed Michael Quinn charged with having on 28th August, aided by others, committed a burglary at Patrick Glynn's house who was wounded in the last attack - John Sheedy alias Silk aided him.
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On their shipping records state a cousin of theirs was transported 12 years earlier:
Peter Larkin - cousin of Michael and Patrick Moran. Peter Larkin born in 1787 in Gort and died in 1879 in Dapto NSW. Tried with Gleeson and Patrick Staunton in Galway Ireland in August 1820 convicted at the Galway Assizes for burglary and seditious practices. Patrick Staunton was not indicted on the capital charge. Peter Larkin and Gleeson were sentenced to death but Larkins was reduced to transportation for life. Peter Larkin and Patrick Staunton sailed from Cork on 16/06/1821 and arrived in NSW on 07/11/1821 on board the "John Barry"
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Transportation:
Both Moran brothers were convicted and transported to Australia from Cork on the ship "Eliza" in 1832 with the other Galway men convicted of being Whiteboys. I am unaware of the outcome for James Boland and Michael Quinn as they may have had the judgement of death upheld.
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If there is any information on the above convictions of these Galway men that you may have, or any direct link with Michael and Patrick, I would love to hear from you.
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hi kevinmoran, my ancestor is John Sheedy Silk/Silke. John was transported on the Eliza 2 in 1832 with your ancestors.
i have newspaper clippings of the trial etc.
I would love any information?
do you have any information on their families back in Ireland.
Looking forward to hear from you.
jozi2222
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Registers https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0623 start too late
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mentioned on find my past
http://www.findmypast.co.uk
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Hi Kevin - thanks for your posting there is a lot of good material on this group of Whiteboys and their conviction. You have filled in some blanks for me. Malachy Hardiman, one of the Whiteboys you listed, was my 3rd GG-father. I have recorded all the information I have on him at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KD9T-85R . I have some details on where Malachi was born as he was quite specific about the place in 1862 when his son was registered. My analysis of this is on a discussion on Familysearch (Copied below). His birth location may help with co-locating these people or not:
Where and when was Malachi Hardiman born?
Malachi was born between 1811 and 1817 (1,2,3,4) in the County of Galway (1,2,3,4) in a place pronounced 'Barnway'.
'Barnway' is the anglicised phonetic rendering of the name of his birthplace he told the clerk in 1862 when his son
James William Hardiman's birth was registered. We know that 'Barnway' is in County Galway although there is literally
no such place of this exact name.
Happily the public library in Galway has a website that provides the reverse engineering of angliscised place names into
the actual Irish placename. So without giving a spoiler try this experimemt:
Step 1) Navigate to http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/place
Step 2) Enter the placename Barnway into the 'Enter place name' field
Step 3) Select the 'Sounds like' option
Step 4) Before you press 'Search', repeat the name Barnway 3 times in your best irish accent
Step 5) Click the 'Search' button
Step 6) The result is 3 references to a place called Barnawee aka Barney Wee
Step 7) Now repeat the name Barnway 3 times in your best irish accent - it is the same place name!
- Barnawee / Barney wee with the names standardised to Barnaboy, precipices in the civil parish of Ballynakill in
the barony of Ballynahinch.
- Barnawee standardised to Barnaboy, a townland in the civily parish of Kilkivery and the barony of clare.
The 3 places listed, 2 a precipice and one a townland, have all been standardised to the name Barnaboy.
The Barnawee townland in Kilkilvery civl parish is the only 'livable' place of the three - as living on precipices is problematic.
Kilkilvery civil parish has several villages (5), i.e. Ballycolgan Upper and Lower; Caltragh and Skeaghbeg and includes the townland of
Barnaboy (aka Barnawee) which is described as "Proprietor Charles Blake, Esq., Merlin Park, Co. Galway. All let to Pat Lynch, Esq.,
Clogher, Co. Mayo, under a lease of 21 years. Rent 55 shillings per acre. On the western extremity of this townland stands the
handsome cottage of Barnawee or Moyne Hill, commanding a prospect of the picturesque country around etc. Co. Cess 14d. paid per
acre half yearly. No antiquities.".
Banaboy was situated as (6) "In the North West corner of the parish, bounded on the North and West by the parish of Shruil, Co. Mayo,
South by the parish of Killursa and townland Ballyfruit and on the East by Thoneroe. In the Barony of Clare and County of Galway".
Although there are villages across Kilkilvery civil parish, Malachi or his parents, as they lived in Barnaboy, were probably cottiers
in the Barnaboy townland - townlands essentially being a farm or farms anyway. Sizewise Banaboy townland is 209 acres 1 rod and 2 perches
in area and in 1840 had buildings on it - to the value of 38 pounds (6).
From a genealogical perspective the following is known about the location and could lead to search options:
- Townland: Barnaboy aka Barnawee
- Civil Parish: Kilkilvery
- Barony: Barony of Clare
- County: Galway
So any references to the surname Hardiman in and around this locality woud be of interest.
(1) 43 years old on birth certificate of dau. Emily on 20 Jun 1858 (born abt 1815 in Galway County)
(2) 45 years old on birth certificate of son James W. on 28 Mar 1862 (born abt 1817 Barnway<sic> County)
(3) 50 years old on birth certificate of dau. Margaret on 29 Aug 1866 (born abt 1816 Galway County)
(4) 72 years old on death certificate and tombstone on 27 Mar 1883 (born abt 1811 co. Galway)
(5) See http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/parish/29927 noting that the quote is from the 1840s which is when Malachi was still there.
(6) See http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/place/29959
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Hi Kevin - I forgot to ask but do you have the citations recorded of these Whiteboy newspaper and Assize records etc you are referring to so I can add them to Malachi Hardiman's record (KD9T-85R) on FamilySearch? Thanks Ralph
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hi kevinmoran, my ancestor is John Sheedy Silk/Silke. John was transported on the Eliza 2 in 1832 with your ancestors.
i have newspaper clippings of the trial etc.
I would love any information?
do you have any information on their families back in Ireland.
Looking forward to hear from you.
jozi2222
Hi I am researching the White boys of Galway that travelled on the Eliza ship. Email
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