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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: rita on Saturday 02 March 13 14:36 GMT (UK)
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Seeking info on Eleanor Murray sometimes called Ellen born 1831 in Cork Ireland she went to Australia and in 1855 married Francis Charles Oudallie they move to New Zealand in 1862
Rita
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Do you have any further information i.e a Parents name maybe from her marriage Cert - a name of a location in Cork :)
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I see on NSW BDM http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ a marriage in 1854 between Ellenor Murray and Charles Oudaille reg V1854953 81/1854 in district QC
Is this the marriage?
Did you know you can get transcriptions of NSW certs which are cheaper (about $17) and they e-mail them to you? http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
regards,
Ros
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Perhaps this is her death in NZ in 1899?
OUDAILLE on the 13th August at her residence Waitahuna, Ellen OUDAILLE , wife of Mr Francis OUDAILLE in her 65th year
http://urlm.in/qwlu
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Here is a report of Ellen's death - her clothes caught fire - how awful
http://urlm.in/qwlt
A marriage of son Ernest Henry Oudaille, second son of Francis Oudaille of Lawrence to Annie Sutherland in 1897
http://urlm.in/qwlq
and they are to live in Western Australia http://urlm.in/qwly
regards,
Ros
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On the Irish Famine Memorial database there are 2 Ellen Murray's arriving at about the right time and of about the right age, one is from Kildare and the other is from Tullamore. It gives their parents and religion and the ships.
http://www.irishfaminememorial.org
regards,
Ros
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Hi - I am doing some family research into my family tree and my great great grandmother was the Ellen/Ellenor Oudaille who died when her clothes caught fire at Waitahuna. It would be interesting to discover more about her early life and if it was in fact the Ellen Murray who was born in Cork in 1831, I would be interested to hear about any information you may have...
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Hi, Eleanor Oudaille nee Murray is also my 2xgt grandmother. I am descended from Helene Louise who is Eleanor and Francis Oudaille's youngest daughter. I have a lot of info on the Oudailles but Eleanor is a bit of a mystery.
I don't generally use this website but will check to see if Ive done this properly.
Meree
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Hello Meree,
Welcome to rootschat :) :)
I'm sure the others will be along soon and love to swap information.
But you should remove your e-mail address to protect you from spammers/scammers/bad people?
To do this just hit the modify button at the top of your post and then backspace over your e-mail address. Otherwise a moderator will be along to do so for you. :)
regards
Ros
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Following on from Ernest Henry OUDAILLE's marriage in NZ and the news that he was to live in Western Australia ...
Here is a letter from E. H. OUDAILLE, former resident of Perth, now living in Shanghai, describing some of the conditions for employment etc
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3204345
regards,
Ros
And here Mr E. H. OUDAILLE gives away a bride (Miss F. A. BARROW) in Singapore - he accompanied her from Australia. Very colourful description :) http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article67035098
and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3201422
And a pre-wedding/farewell party http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3218619
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Hi Rita
I hope this finds you well.
Meree and I are still on the trail of our GG Grandmother Eleanor Murray - I wonder if you will be able to dig out your research and let us know any details you have of her birth/family in Ireland. She is proving very elusive.
Kind Regards
Brigit
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Seeking info on Eleanor Murray sometimes called Ellen born 1831 in Cork Ireland she went to Australia and in 1855 married Francis Charles Oudallie they move to New Zealand in 1862
Rita
The NSW marriage certificate would probably have scant information as it appears to be a Parish record. Civil registration commenced in 1856 in NSW.
Francis and Ellen had children in Victoria - information on the birth certificates would include parents' names, their ages at time of the registration, places of birth and date and place of marriage as well as previous children to the marriage.
Births
OUDALLE Francis Adolphe
Father Francis Mother Ellen MURRAY
At Spring Creek 1855 Reg#11389
OUDAILLE Male
Father Francis Mother Ellen MURRAY
At Yackandandah 1857 Reg#7985
OUDAILLE Ernest Patrick
Father Francis Mother Ellen MURRAY
At Yackandandah 1859 Reg#21971
Death
OUDAILLE Francis Adolphe
Father Francis Mother Ellen MURRAY
1857 Born Victoria 20 Months Reg#3948
I've attached a snip which states she was born Perthshire, Scotland Apologies for the size of the snip. You need to zoom in.
OUDAILLE Francis.
Gazetted Victorian Government Gazette 14 May 1861 Pge#949
Comment: Gazette item sub title heading: Outstanding Accounts
OUDAILLE Francis.
Gazetted Victorian Government Gazette 14 Jun 1861 Pge#1150
Comment: Gazette item sub title heading: Outstanding Accounts
Cando
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Hi and thanks for your reply. Another family member has also been researching Eleanor/Ellen. She discovered the Minister was later found guilty of accepting money to marry people that did not have the proper documentation. In this case we think Francis Oudaille was not old enough to marry but the Minister found a way around this and married them anyway. We also know that Francis later claimed to be a native of Jersey but in fact was born in Paris. We suspect that if Francis was claiming to be someone he wasnt then Ellen may also have changed her story, it would have been more a better look to be Scottish rather than an Irish orphan/convict which may have been the true story. Rita started this thread several years ago and I am hoping she can shed some light on this issue. Kind Regards Brigit
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Says he was born Paris, France. Minister not involved with a civil registration unless it is a marriage. Information would have been given to the local bdm registrar.
Rita was logged in yesterday.
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I wonder if any of the people searching the origins of the wife of Francis OUDALLIE have persuasive documentation to support an Irish birth for her.
I find it hard to believe one would say Perthshire Scotland when the true birthplace was Ireland.
Sue
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Thanks for your replies...
Ellen wrote on several documents that she was from Scotland, its possible this was the case. However my cousin recalls her mother and her mothers siblings (who would have been Ellens grandchildren) stating that Ellen was Irish. She was also a member of the Otago Irish Society. It seems odd that she would join this if she had Scottish ancestry. The reason for me posting on this thread was that Rita who started the thread mentioned that Ellen was from Cork, hence my post.
I would love to solve this mystery.
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Presumably, the parents of Ellen are not shown on any documentation including the 1899 printout of her death. Is that correct?
As has been mentioned by Ros,, information on the the parents of a couple of possible girls is shown on the Irish Famine Memorial database.
Does anything match what you have?
As also mentioned, birth certificates for her children should show the mother's birthplace.
(Immediate download on payment).
Sue
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Hi Sue
Correct, there is nothing on Ellens death printout that gives any clue to her origins and it is also true that this shows on at least one of the childrens birth certificates.
Ros is correct, there are a couple of Ellen Murrays on the Irish Famine Memorial database, it is possible that one of these could be our Ellen but we dont have many clues.
Rita seems to think that she may have originated in Cork and it would be really useful if we could discover what basis she has for this so we can either have proof or discount this option.
Brigit
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Hi Sue
Correct, there is nothing on Ellens death printout that gives any clue to her origins and it is also true that this shows on at least one of the childrens birth certificates.
Brigit
It is also true that what shows.....?
Sue
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That Ellen is born in Perthshire, Scotland