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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: kc3 on Monday 04 March 13 17:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi im looking to see if a james hill who died in 1908 age 40 in bedwellty was buried in the grounds of bedwellty church or there abouts.
From worcestershire and worked in the mines along with his sons. He had 13 children 3 died, not sure if they were in worcestershire or bedwellty when they died and i have no names. I do have the name Jabez hill born 1906 and he was sent to live with his aunt in worcestershire however he has a sister that was born in 1909 louisa hill his mother must have been pregnant when james hill died.
the names of the children born in wales are as follows
lily mable hill 1896
james hill 1898
ethel jane hill 1900
emlyn hill 1905
jabez hill 1906
gladys hill 1909 all were alive at teh time of the 1911 census
these older children were born in worcestershire
anna louisa hill 1894 - not on 1911 census
george hill 1893 miner
edith hill 1891 not on 1911 census
william henry hill 1980 head of house in 1911
louisa hill (nee lawrence? from worcestershire) may have married again a man by the name of hall in 1915 in ponty????
any help would be appriciated
kc
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kc,
From burial records for St. Sannan's Parish Church, Bedwellty;
James Hill, 55, Pengam Road, Aberbargoed, Nov. 3rd 1908, Age 40yrs.
No Headstone! But in the margin.....D.18.50. (probably the grave location)
Gerry
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GerryP
Thanks so much for that. :)
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Gerry, you wouldnt do me a big favour and see if jabez hill born 1906 was baptised there, i believe james is his dad, but because in the 1911 census jabez lived in worcestershire with an aunt and unlcle i have no direct connection. Jabez was born in bedwellty and i can only connect him to james and louisa through the woscestershire connection also thinking that louisa was louisa lawrence and her sister was mary ann lawrence who was aunt to jabez. I would presume jabez was sent to live with the aunt and uncle after the death of james.
Thanks again for the help.
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kc,
No Hill surname Baptisms at St. Sannan's, Bedwellty between 1904-1910.
Regards, Gerry
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Thanks for checking..
kc
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KC
the Jabez Hill born in Bedwellty 1906 appears to have been baptised at Abertillery, Monmouth on the 18th February 1906. The parents are given as Jabez Squire & Louisa Hill and the address is 62 Lower Arrael Street, Six Bells.
Now Six Bells is about 25 miles from where James & Louisa were living in 1901 (Talbot Terrace, Llwynypia, Rhondda) and about 8 miles from where James died in 1908. I had the baptism off ANC - if you would like more info pm with your email (can't post on rootschat).
Incidently where James Hill died (55 Pengam Road, Aberbargoed) was in 1908 in the shadow of what eventually became the biggest coal slag heap in Europe - thankfully now gone.
Ray
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KC
there appears to be 2 other trees on Ancestry claiming James & Louisa (nee Lawrence) Hill with a different set of children:
Frederick 1888
Emma 1893
Issac 1894
Florence 1897
Doris 1900
Irena 1901
and one does have Jabez born Bedwellty.
Neither of these trees have James & Louisa living in Wales on a census and both have James/Jabez dying 1909 in Cannock.
Ray
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HI, Ive found the link,
There were 2 hill families living in bedwellty 'area' James and Louisa Hill and Jabez Squire HIll and Louisa Hill, James died i think in 1908 simular to Jabez (from information i had i guessed jabez hill - my great grandfather was sent to live with his aunt and uncle after the death of his dad, but which one james or jabez?). it was hard to know which were Jabez parents. Thanks to a christenting record sent to me via private mail from someone who saw the above post it was confirmed as Jabez Squire Hill. Jabez squire hill Born in staffordshire and died in cannock in 1909. They lived in wales for about 3 years, jabez worked at the 6 bells in abertillery, lived at 62 arail st. Jabez Hill was baptised there, but on the 1911 census he was down as being born in Bedwellty and he was living with an aunt and uncle. It seems that Jabez Squire Hill was a miner and they moved around a lot. Those who have him on the family tree do not know that he was father to Jabez hill (my great grandfather) and Elsie Constance Hill, the only thing tying them to wales are the christening records x 2, they weren't in wales for any census.
Thanks so much for your time, this has now been resolved :) oh just to add Emma was born in America and Frederick lived with his grandparents on the 1901 census, also William r hill was Born in 1904 and Elsie Constance Hill (1908 )was also born in wales, in bedwellty / arbertillery. They must have moved back to the mines in cannock where Jabez Squire Hill died.
Jabez squire HIll + louisa lawrence
children Frederick - Emma - Issac - Florence - Doris - Irena - William R - Jabez - Elsie Constance. 2 of which died before the 1911 census as per louisa declaration that only 7 of her 9 children were alive, i can rule out jabez - issac - William -Elsie - Irena and Frederick . So Emma and Doris must have died probably in Wales. So that mean my next quest is to find when Emma and Doris died.
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KC
Are you sure that you have the correct 1911 census?
The census I have for Louisa Hill for 1911 (living at 6 Thords Road, Walsall) has her showing 9 births and 9 children living and the children living with her being:
Issac 17
Florence 13
Irene 10
William R 7
Elsie C 3 (Born Monmouthshire - FreeBMD Birth June 1908 Bedwellty 11a 82)
Ray
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There is a Doris Hill age 11 on the 1911 census living with her grandmother Emma Hill (65 years) living at Station Road, Hednesford - which from Jabez will in 1909 is where the family were living at that time.
Ray
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KC
Believe that on the 1911 census Emma Hill (19 years) is working as domestic servant at:
The Surf Tavern
12 Bradford Street
Walsall
RG14/17165/62
She gives her place of birth as Pensylvania
Ray
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KC
I have a Frederick Hill (age 20 born Staffordshire) living at 85 Arrial Street, Six Bells on the 1911 census, living as a boarder with a family called Lewis RG14/31835/216
But there is also a death of Frederick Hill born Hednesford, serving with the 9th Battalion, Royal Welsh Fusiliers in France 7 Jul 1916. He is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial. You can visit the site here:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/791833/HILL,%20FREDERICK
Ray
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Some great work there Ray, jeez your quick.
Yep just went to check the census and your right all 9 are alive, i must have looked at someone elses census, think it must have been Louisa Hill who was married to James Hill, its there plain as day, 9 children, 9 alive.
Ive been looking at that war grave thinking is that my Frederick, . Must double check the arrail st, though, its too close to not be linked?? Great detective work. There was a Frederick Hill who was married to an Elsie Barlow in 1912 in Walsall, think that is the same Frederick that died. They could even be the same Fredrick, he could have moved back to staffordshire later in 1911 or 1912.
Emma Hill nee webster was Doris's granny.
Thats also my Emma Hill, must add that to my info.
*think i need to go to specsavers...
Jabez hill was living with Mary Ann Mears and Thomas Mears living in walsall - 18 countess street, walsall.
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I think it is highly likely that the Fred who died is your Fred. Whilst he was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers his death notice says that he actually enlisted at Hednesford. So whilst he enlisted in Staffs he joined a Welsh regiment?? Have searched for his war records but not found any - looks like they are among the many burnt records.
His medal roll card shows that he actually arrived in France 19th July 1915 - so along with the War & Victory Medals he was also awarded the 1914/15 Star.
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Thanks so much for looking into it. I do think that its my Frederick... Too many deaths in war, his number 8 on my tree to have died in a war.. Like most uk families, I dont think any were left unaffected.
Thanks again Ray.
Karla